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AnOminous

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The only way to save this is with the theory i posted or using somehow the meta crisis doctor, also did not know fans actually held Hartnell in high regard because one of the main bitchings i saw is that by adding Doctor Ruth and creating tons of Doctors before him they were trampling in his legacy for brownie points
That's really the worst thing about SJWs. They're never satisfied to create something new. They have to shit all over the old while they're at it, with no regard for whether it's good or not or, vastly more often, much better than the ersatz garbage they replace it with.
 

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also did not know fans actually held Hartnell in high regard because one of the main bitchings i saw is that by adding Doctor Ruth and creating tons of Doctors before him they were trampling in his legacy for brownie points
Whether you like Hartnell or not, the success of the show in its early days was heavily down to him creating an appealing character. The series has (mostly) honoured him by making him the first in-universe. To throw that aside feels disrespectful.
 

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That's really the worst thing about SJWs. They're never satisfied to create something new. They have to shit all over the old while they're at it, with no regard for whether it's good or not or, vastly more often, much better than the ersatz garbage they replace it with.
As I've said before - there's a reason for that. The goal of the Social Justice Warrior is to make sure everyone else shares their values. You can't do that by going off and just enjoying what makes you happy. You have to alter what makes other people happy. That's the point.

Whether you like Hartnell or not, the success of the show in its early days was heavily down to him creating an appealing character. The series has (mostly) honoured him by making him the first in-universe. To throw that aside feels disrespectful.
You did say "mostly", but I have to say their version of him for the Christmas Special was anything but respectful. The actor did a passable job at his mannerisms but the writing was not true to the original character at all. They retroactively made him into a sexist dinosaur just because that's what they either thought someone from that era must be or else because they wanted him to be that. I suspect the latter. This is someone who has come from a hyper-advanced society, who has seen varied cultures and species across time and space but clutches his pearls at Bill being a lesbian.

You know what "time travel" TV show got people from the past right? Sleepy Hollow. There's a bit where Ichabod remarks to the modern-day police officer he's befriended "is that acceptable these days?" towards two men in a restaurant. She goes on this slightly condescending mini-spiel about gay marriage and acceptance. To which Ichabod replies in exasperation: "I know what a homosexual is! I meant wearing a hat whilst eating." It's like how kids always imagine their parents never had any fun before they came along (just because they've never had any fun since). I'm pretty damn certain the Doctor wouldn't freak out because Bill got it on with another woman.
 

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Whether you like Hartnell or not, the success of the show in its early days was heavily down to him creating an appealing character. The series has (mostly) honoured him by making him the first in-universe. To throw that aside feels disrespectful.
Is it just me, or is he mocking Hartnell here? (Timestamped)

That's definitely a Hartnell pose he's doing as he street shits all over the Doctor's history.
 
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As I've said before - there's a reason for that. The goal of the Social Justice Warrior is to make sure everyone else shares their values. You can't do that by going off and just enjoying what makes you happy. You have to alter what makes other people happy. That's the point.
also making your new thing requires WORK, and time and wont be instantly popular and give you lots of power in a company
 

AnOminous

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As I've said before - there's a reason for that. The goal of the Social Justice Warrior is to make sure everyone else shares their values. You can't do that by going off and just enjoying what makes you happy. You have to alter what makes other people happy. That's the point.
There's also the fact their insipid trash can't even survive the comparison when its vastly superior alternative is there.

I'm pretty damn certain the Doctor wouldn't freak out because Bill got it on with another woman.
I seriously doubt the Doctor would have any particularly vehemently held positions about human sexuality at all.
 

kūhaku

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I seriously doubt the Doctor would have any particularly vehemently held positions about human sexuality at all.
Exactly. He is not the same species as them, and we’ve never seen him suddenly pearl clutching or critiquing the cultures of other races (so long as their culture isn’t murder or violence) to my knowledge. He’s seen killing machines bred to feel rage, robots with no emotion conquering the universe, but he doesn’t understand being lesbian? What a crock of shit.
 

UnKillFill

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Exactly. He is not the same species as them, and we’ve never seen him suddenly pearl clutching or critiquing the cultures of other races (so long as their culture isn’t murder or violence) to my knowledge. He’s seen killing machines bred to feel rage, robots with no emotion conquering the universe, but he doesn’t understand being lesbian? What a crock of shit.
If Doctor 1 doesn't understand lesbianism, that begs the question of when he finally learned about it. My money's on Nyssa and Tegan being the ones who taught him.
 

Cyril Sneer

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Exactly. He is not the same species as them, and we’ve never seen him suddenly pearl clutching or critiquing the cultures of other races (so long as their culture isn’t murder or violence) to my knowledge. He’s seen killing machines bred to feel rage, robots with no emotion conquering the universe, but he doesn’t understand being lesbian? What a crock of shit.
Oh, I don't know about that; it meshes rather nicely with the whole "superior alien" schtick, like an irritated dog owner spraying a couple of bitches in heat with a garden hose. 😉
 

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So, if Doctor 1 wasn't cool with homos, is it safe to assume that Doctor Ruth wasn't either? And is the reason why he's such a sexist because of her internalized misogyny?

That's not very PC Chinballs...

Well we're talking about a guy who wrote a story where an ancient people with a population of Billions got ethnically cleansed with zero ramifications or emotional fallout so how 'pc' is Chinball really?
 

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Matt Smith is one of my favourite Doctors. (Alongside Troughton and Collin Baker if you're curious). He could go from cheerfully energetic to pensive and dangerously calm in a moment. You actually felt he was 900 years old when he let the mask slip and could be surprisingly menacing. And Matt Smith is a good actor generally. The Beast Below, 2nd episode, cemented my appreciation of him that early on with his sadness at the end and he did a good job of transitioning the Doctor from the grief-stricken Tennant Doctor to the one that is ready to move on. The Hurt Doctor's comment about "the man who regrets and the man who forgets" in the 50th was a good moment as was Ten's contempt for Eleven's willingness to put the past behind him. Good writing.

Also, he had great chemistry with Jenna Coleman regardless of how much some here hate his character. Right from the start they were good together in a way Amy and him never were even though she was supposed to have a crush on him. Pay attention and you can see Eleven thwack Clara's arse with a chamois leather just at the end of one episode. Her face has... "interesting..." written all over it as well. Honestly, she had more chemistry with him than that psychopath River Song. I never believed the whole "turned on by her being a psycho" thing they tried to sell in The Impossible Astronaut and other episodes.

Incidentally, The Eleventh Hour remains one of my favourite Who episodes of all time. It very explicitly returned the Doctor to his roots in de-powering him from the lonely god era of Tennant - TARDIS offline, sonic screwdriver (aka infinitely powerful magic wand) destroyed and just dropping the Doctor on Earth with just the shirt on his back. Everything down to the fact he ended up in a remote English village far from London, UNIT or anything else was deliberately done to say things were scaled back. The pacing of the whole series shifted. For nostalgia's sake I'm going to sperg fully now and post the original Season 5 trailer. It's a long time ago now but I can remember how I reacted. There was so much promise. WWII Daleks, strange fairground people, shadows running through a graveyard and a city in Space flying the Union Jack. It looked great and for the most part, I believe it was. Hard core Who fans were up in arms about it though because it showed the Doctor firing a gun.




Nobody cares but I'm going to list my sexiest companions, imo: Clara Oswald, Martha Jones, Leela, Liz Shaw.

Karen Gillian is an odd one in that whilst obviously pretty I didn't really fancy her in Doctor Who. But as Nebula in the Marvel movies she's the one thing that tipped me into going to see Infinity War Part II. I don't know what's going on in my head but I find her hugely attractive in one and not much at all in the other. And no, I don't have a fetish for smurfs - it's something to do with their characters.



Out of curiosity, what is it about The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood that you found so off-putting? I'm not arguing they're the best episodes of the run but I also can't see what in particular about them would make them so bad. I mean, you'd already made it through every Incel's favourite episode Amy's Choice.
Smith won me over when he yeeted a slice of bread out the door and yelled: "And stay out!"

As I've said before - there's a reason for that. The goal of the Social Justice Warrior is to make sure everyone else shares their values. You can't do that by going off and just enjoying what makes you happy. You have to alter what makes other people happy. That's the point.



You did say "mostly", but I have to say their version of him for the Christmas Special was anything but respectful. The actor did a passable job at his mannerisms but the writing was not true to the original character at all. They retroactively made him into a sexist dinosaur just because that's what they either thought someone from that era must be or else because they wanted him to be that. I suspect the latter. This is someone who has come from a hyper-advanced society, who has seen varied cultures and species across time and space but clutches his pearls at Bill being a lesbian.

You know what "time travel" TV show got people from the past right? Sleepy Hollow. There's a bit where Ichabod remarks to the modern-day police officer he's befriended "is that acceptable these days?" towards two men in a restaurant. She goes on this slightly condescending mini-spiel about gay marriage and acceptance. To which Ichabod replies in exasperation: "I know what a homosexual is! I meant wearing a hat whilst eating." It's like how kids always imagine their parents never had any fun before they came along (just because they've never had any fun since). I'm pretty damn certain the Doctor wouldn't freak out because Bill got it on with another woman.
Not sure I mentioned this before here but BBC did the same with the final season of Sherlock starting with the Christmas special The Abominable Bride which was set in Sherlock Holmes' original time period. In it, Sherlock and Watson were portrayed as sexists and the whole thing revolved around the suffragette movement. This was followed by a season in which a third Holmes sibling was introduced, a sister who had been locked in a facility since she was a child. She was established as being more intelligent than both Sherlock and Mycroft to almost a supernatural degree. Guards couldn't spend more than 5 minutes alone with her lest she bewitch them with her magical thunk powers or some garbage. Suffice to say it wasn't well-received and people went from rabidly awaiting each new season of Sherlock to being all like "Nah, I'm good."

The showrunner on that show? Steven "Ch-ch-cha chia!" Moffat.
 

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Something to keep in mind is that Chinballs was the showrunner of Torchwood prior to the excellent Children of Earth. That should tell you how much he sucks. Mark Gatiss or Paul Cornell should have been showrunner.
 

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Something to keep in mind is that Chinballs was the showrunner of Torchwood prior to the excellent Children of Earth. That should tell you how much he sucks. Mark Gatiss or Paul Cornell should have been showrunner.
Not just the show runner, but he also wrote the hilariously awful "Cyberwoman" and irrredeemably crap "Countrycide" episodes too.

His only other major work of note being to write the same episode of Life on Mars twice. What a man.
 
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