When he was told there had been a public announcement for the gathering and he had simply missed it, Dragoneer tried to pull a "I was only pretending to be re'tarded!" while continuing to cry about how the local furries were mean to him for not going out of their way to invite him.Sat Nov 15 14:42:02 EST 2003
I just wanted to take a moment and thank each and every one of you
who ventured out to fine Chestnut Street out here in Philadelphia to
see They Might Be Giant playing at the Barnes and Nobles right across
from my house. To eat at the Olive Garden right next to where I
live. And, especially more than that, to not invite me, and to make
sure nobody knew I didn't live there until after your party left the
area.
There's a special, warm place in my heart for those who go out of
their way to ignore me, and prevent me from joining in anything that
happens in the community. It's moments like these that truly bring a
smile to my face, and let me know how valuable my friendship is to
group as a whole!
I shall be sure to never participate in any event ever held in this
state, because I understand how much you all truly love having me
along. And, were it not for kind, thankful soul who was with you who
let me know just how much I TRULY meant to all of you, I'd have never
have been able to feel the affectionate display of generosity shown
towards yours truly.
With sincerest thanks,
Preyfar
I was highly upset at the time, and given some very conflicting information. Still, my "rant" on the mailing list was most a sarcastic post than it was anything else, and not very spiteful. Yet, besides this, I also heard several people tell me there are people on the mailing who have been telling people that I'm next to clinically insane, which really upset me.
Coupled together, I got extremly anger, and hurt being all belief. =/ I wrote an upset post feeling like I had been ignored by the people I called friends, and that's still how I feel.
A lot of it was done in haste, and the fact I literally wanted to cry. I mean, imagine if half a dozen people you know and call friends are literally hanging out on your block, and they know how to get into contact with you, but don't. Then they message you the day after and tell you all about it. But then you ALSO find out one person in the group purposefully didn't want you there, and made sure not to tell anybody until after everyone left.
Yeah.
I didn't feel that hot either.
Well, you were at the bookstore I hangout, chilling at my building, and you didn't think to stop by and say hi? No. But, I was kindly told that you privately only mentioned I lived in the building you were all hanging out after you all had left, so you didn't have to deal with me.
So, was I upset? Yes. Yes I was. Wouldn't you be if half a dozen of your friend were hanging out in the very place you live and didn't even consider the courtesy of saying hi?
You know I lived there. I know you ignored me. I was kindly told.
Thank you.
It was during his time in Philly that Dragoneer developed his long-standing grudge against fellow furry bigwig Uncle Kage. The catalyst for this grudge was Kage upstaging Dragoneer at a meet he was hosting. This event was so traumatic for Dragoneer that he didn't host another furry meet up until the creation of his vanity convention FurAffinity: United.As for the PA Furry rant, it wasn't a rant, it was a pure sarcasm, not rantage.
I can share a story, too: a guy I used to know (he used to go by "Preyfar" - you may know of him) started up a bunch of meets and art jams years ago in PA. Small, but had a bunch of people. Mostly at coffee shops in Philadelphia. He told me he did a meet in the King of Prussia mall (old AC stomping grounds). Kage and his crew showed up, and said "Screw the mall, let''s go to the zoo!" and over half the meet blindly followed Kage and everybody else to the zoo. In November. In the rain.
Preyfar got pissed, never held a meet again after it was taken over. Who goes to a zoo in the cold ass rain? Short of FAU, he never ran events since. As he tells it Preyfar/Dragoneer got banned from the PA state furry mailing list and excommunicated from the local group due to him and Kage not getting along. Said there was some stupid argument, and got perma-banned from the list and PA furry events after the mailing list mod decided to fuck with him, changing his settings and continually deleting his profile behind his back.I think that was back in like 2002-2004 era. Used to talk to him a lot back then.
It''s been a while since we last talked, but I know the Kage problems continued for him when AC staffer Furp (RIP) moved in with him in Kyrgyzstan. Furp was bestest buddies with Kage and other AC staffers, and Neer bitched Furp kept causing a buncha butthurt drama, leaking everything he did/said back to the AC staff, causing all sorts of general problems for him at his job where they both worked. Dragoneer had said that the last thing Kagemushi ever said to him was "Welcome to my shitlist, asshole" because they had some difference of opinion, and some twat in his journal called AC "Kagecon" and Neer didn''t blindly jump to his defense, so Kage shit all over him. Been a grudge on Kage''s side against him since.'
Between Kage and the Dorsai there''s a lot of "bad shit" that goes on, and most people are just sort of blind to it. Dragoneer used to be AC staff before getting thrown off of it after getting into a huge fight with one of the board of directors there over some rape issue. I don''t remember the entire story, but one of the AC board of directors was fucking everybody he could while dating one of Neer''s friends, and Neer called him on it and Kage and the other guy defended his right to sleep around.\r\n\r\nI can''t remember the other guy''s name. Damuth or something. Been a while since I heard the story.',
Kage wants the fandom to be his ideal. He tells people what furries are and what he thinks they should be. If they don''t fit his image of the fandom then he tells people who. Kage tells everybody NOT to use FA, not to recommend it. And yet he''s on it. Why? Because Dragoneer and Kage/Giza hate each other, so he condemns the entire community. Never seen Dragoneer bash Anthrocon though, but they''ll tear FA apart non-stop the other way around. I imagine Dragoneer would say something but Kage has threatened FA and Dragoneer multiple times. Play Kage's way or GTFO of the fandom.',
If Dragoneer banned this dude because he fucked out upside of the site, just because Neer felt this dude didn''t deserve to be on the site, what''s to stop him from banning of any of us? Yeah, dipshit fucked a dog, but half of us are actively going after people on FA and ragging the shit out of them. The same shit that protects this fucktwat protects us.
Oh no, Dragoneer is balding. END OF THE WORLD! Yeah, attack the dude over shit he has nothing in control over. Fat fuck? Sure. But, what a low life prick.I may be an asshat, but even I won''t attack people over shit they have no control over. Some things are low even for me.'
It is unknown if he reported Daniel to the authorities. After banning the pedo from FA Dragoneer went to Twitter and cried about having to ban a sex offender who was using his site to prey on minors, saying he hated himself for it.Preyfar (9:50 PM): I like you, dude... I really do. I don't WANT to have to do this... but members of FA staff work in law enforcement, others have jobs in the security and government. There is no way I can verify that information, and I know what I'm reading and I'm not really, REALLY not fucking comfortable with this.
Daniel Llamas (9:50 PM): I already paid my debt to society and now I'm being punished now?
Preyfar (9:52 PM): Yes, but you are a convicted pedophile... I know you paid your debt, I know you served time, but dude... those comments...
Preyfar (9:52 PM): He admit he was 16. You knew he was 16. It states it in the notes, and you persisted about the images of him going down on himself
Preyfar (9:53 PM): Do you even realize that by law I probably HAVE to report that?
Preyfar (9:53 PM): I am so fucking torn right now...
Shortly after saying this he banned a user over troll comments made on Twitter.The admin took the right course of action in this case. I don't feel it's something to leave FA over, as if it happened on FA, it will happen on /any/ site. It's unfortunate, but a choice they have made. I'll respect that.
Myr said:I was involved in the recent rewrite work that was going on publicly in the forums here. I haven't heard of this other effort until today. I haven't heard from anyone about it.
Ben Anderson said:Me and Myr along with Nanuk are already developing a website Myr got blessing for, directly from Dragoneer, back in October 2013!
If Dragoneer has turned his back on us three just because Zaush is a pop-fur I am going to be steaming mad. All three of us have worked our arse off to get FA 2.0 off the floor - Myr has a good Database Schema in place, nanuk has been bouncing ideas left, right and centre and I've almost completed the front-end design language and was going to start rolling out final templates sometime in January 2014.
Please, if someone out there has a direct line to Dragoneer and Zaush, could you give them a gentle prod and remind them that us three already exist? We should combine our efforts together, not have two conflicting teams.
-Ben
Dragoneer said:I'll be completely honest and state that things slipped my mind over the past three months
Ben Anderson said:He said that anyone who didn't share his drive was dead weight, he didn't want to motivate people and he was going to be a hard ass, me being busy with my real world job and Myr trying to pull money together to fix his car meant that "we were not suitable for the position" because our full attention was not on the subject - he even went as far to call Myr's money management pathetic if he couldn't afford to fix his car! It was a LOT of money Myr had to fork over! Like, A LOT, he needs to make it back somehow!
Zaush lives up to his name of being an insufferable jerk.
Me and Myr bailed.
According to Zaush it is HIS project, along with ONE of his friends. Two people in total, everyone, and I'm not even sure they really know what they are doing.
Likelihood of this actually going somewhere? HA.
Myr said:Nope! He wants to do the site in JavaScript. So all previous work in Python and PHP is out the window. Anything I would have done in JSP is likewise not going to work. He already has his own HTML and CSS so no concepts or mock-ups shown here can be used either. The only thing that could be used is the SQL database setup that I was working on, but they're going to be working from the existing database apparently (, how did they get that?). If this is successful, and that's a big if, you'll get a new coat of paint and new background logic which may or may not improve things on FA's scale (purely depends on implementation). Maybe it'll work, maybe not. Who knows! All I know is that I'm no longer contributing and therefore I will stop reading this forum soon.
Zaush was only 30 at the time.Ben Anderson said:It became even more worrisome when he started belittling me and Myr, thinking we were unintelligent in the subject - according to himself, he has been a "PHP Pro" for 12 years! Pretty sure he's not old enough to have been doing Pro PHP for 12 years.
Ben Anderson said:The final nail in the coffin was when he flat out patronised me, asking me basic questions like "Explain to me, what are Database Indexs?" - I didn't answer, playing dumb, and he replied with how Index are slow (???) even though by definition an Index is a faster method for data retrieval. He actually dodged his own question with a hair-brained answer that in itself was incorrect.
Ben Anderson said:Could someone tell me if he has ever actually worked for British Airways? He told me he did, and it was a good example of how a bad PHP website:
1) I worked for British Airways on their global website, they use JSP.
2) BRITISH Airways! What, did he fucking fly all the way over to Newcastle Upon Tyne in England to get this Job!? That's where the main offices are that house all the IT and Dev staff! He lives in America!
The most that came of Project Phoenix was a few front page mock ups. The project eventually died, like all other FA rewrites.Dragoneer said:I won't take the blame for this project dying when three people could not be bothered to take the time to discuss things with me, nor so much as work with me.