I loved Dragonlance and I hadn't heard of a new series by those two, so the news that it's getting axed because of faggotry is pissing me off.
Fucking kinder.
Fucking kinder.
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You could...make the players the focus and not have catastrophes ruining player accomplishment things.
Cutting the problem seems like a good way to solve the problem. Its not like it would be unsalvagable
I'm really sorry to hear it. Especially since the trilogy they were writing was meant to be the endcap for the entirety of their work on the setting.
I'm actually quite curious what this "sensitivity editor" forced them to change. It has been a really long time since I read the original core books, but I remember very little that rose beyond PG-13 in terms of violence and nudity/sex. (Everything always faded to black or cut away the very rare times sex came up.)
It's really sad to see how infiltrated by the woke elements WOTC has become. They became a classic example of the infiltrate and then destroy SJW mantra.
As others have mentioned, I thought Ravenloft or Dark Sun would be purged first.
I'm actually quite curious what this "sensitivity editor" forced them to change. It has been a really long time since I read the original core books, but I remember very little that rose beyond PG-13 in terms of violence and nudity/sex. (Everything always faded to black or cut away the very rare times sex came up.)
It's really sad to see how infiltrated by the woke elements WOTC has become. They became a classic example of the infiltrate and then destroy SJW mantra.
As others have mentioned, I thought Ravenloft or Dark Sun would be purged first.
Saw this yesterday. grabbed the PDF to download and read over. Nothing surprises me more than WOTC figuring out how to NOT make money due to SJW mentality.
Fun Fact: Author's figured to make $10M off this deal over the 10 years they had licensing. That is an insane amount and no wonder they were pissed that WOTC blue checkmarks fucked their arrangement up because black trans kender were not YAAASQUEENSLAY rules of the world while dragon's are an allegory for transitioning in children.
Fun Fact: Author's figured to make $10M off this deal over the 10 years they had licensing. That is an insane amount and no wonder they were pissed that WOTC blue checkmarks fucked their arrangement up because black trans kender were not YAAASQUEENSLAY rules of the world while dragon's are an allegory for transitioning in children.
Yes, but what is there to sell to fans then?
Dragonlance the tabletop game has one thing unique and awesome to it, and that is the main randomized storyline of the War of the Lance, with the player characters being the heroes (custom or pregenerated). However, what most people like about the setting is the novelization with its set storyline, characters, and epic stakes. So there are several ways to play Dragonlance, and proponents of one may be autistically opposed to the others:
- DL modules as intended, custom characters: fans of Heroes will be pissed they don't get to play their favorites, accusations of valor theft
- DL modules as intended, Heroes: fans of Heroes will be pissed at other players' inauthentic portrayal
- custom scenario set during the War: nothing really matters except the broken column
- custom scenario set after the War: sightseeing tour after the festival
- villain party, defeat the heroes: pissed fans
- villain party, power struggle within the empire: unsatisfying, Spring Dawning will call you a dumbfuck in cleartext.
- knights! excellent idea, too bad D&D's class-based system fucks you over.
Here's the problem, again:
Dragonlance's intense plot makes the conceptual space too small for a sandbox setting - it's more like a single game. This is hard to sell to a new audience. Existing fans of the novels need to be on the same page regarding what they are going to play. And superfans who already have twenty different campaign ideas lined up don't need a sourcebook.
I'm not saying it's completely impossible to play a Dragonlance game, I'm saying it's hard to sell roleplaying supplements for it. The highest level of support Dragonlance the campaign setting could reasonably have is a couple of fan-written sourcebooks per D&D edition with a stamp of approval and classic art.
They mention love potions in the lawsuit, which I believe is a case of the stopped clock being right. Weis got good mileage out of Charm Person in the original trilogy, but you can't repeat that for credit and with human-intelligence characters.
There are plenty of games that have a metaplot and don't resort to "Oh well nobody wants to play lets give up". You seem to have an incredibly dim view on the average tabletop RPG player.
Allow custom characters and pregenerated ones. Like many video game RPGs do. Players who want to play someone from the book can. Players who want to make their own character can. If someone is autistic enough to call "stolen valor" on you changing the setting kick them out of your game group (and also they probably don't exist)
Or you can be the protagonist and solve everything differently than they did in the book. Anyone who is looking to play a 1-1 recreation can just read the book. And is too autistic for a social game like DND.
You can...make new problems for the heroes to solve. Including setting things in a vague far future if you really wanted.
"How dare we play this scenario and defeat the heroes? How could we do such a thing?"
Change things so it will be satisfying.
DND system fucks everything over, its terrible. But that is an entirely different issue.
Superfans are going to buy/pirate it anyway. That is what superfans do. You can change things in your game. If your players end a war differently than it doesn't matter if it screws up the rest of the books, if you ever want to play a campaign that takes place after the fact you'd just play with the canon ending instead of what happened in your game. You can make conceptual space a bit bigger so players fit in it.
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“Some blue dragons breath streams of caustic acid,” said Nightshaft. “Anyone who says otherwise is a bigot and worse than Emperor Ariakas.”
He spread his membranous wings, obscuring the coppery glow of the three moons overhead.
Tanlin was momentarily diverted from the peasant girl who he was graphically raping.
“Clearly you are a black dragon,” he said. “What I meant to say is that you are a dragon of colour with a high melanin count.”
“I identify as a blue dragon,” replied the wyrm. “Not all blue dragons are blue. Furthermore, I resent this stereotype that dragons who are the colour of ferrous metal are good, and that dragons of any other colour are inherently evil. It's blue dragon history month, or at least it was until those thieving Kender bastards co-opted it. Everyone should be thinking jolly hard about the many positive contributions that my race has made to the vibrant and diverse culture of Krynn.”
“Name one thing,” said Tanlin, as he deftly flipped the girl onto her back and reinserted himself.
“For one thing, keeping the Solamnic Knights down to a manageable number,” replied the dragon. “And don't forget it was one of us who helped to rid the world of the sex criminal, Sturm Brightblade.”
“Yes, it was only after his death that we discovered the full extent of his gruesome sex crimes,” mused Tanlin, as he thrust himself harder into his reluctant victim.
“I actually think that he wanted someone to stop him,” said the dragon.
He unfurled a scroll with his talon.
“When you are done, I would very much appreciate it if you would sign this petition, requesting a ban on the use of bump stocks in conjunction with dragonlances.”
A repetitive movement by the campfire drew his attention towards the the frail figure Stevlin, grandson of Raistlin.
“Are you masturbating?” said Nightshaft.
“No, it's just the way the flickering shadows from the fire are falling across my robes,” replied the mage, relinquishing his secret grip on his penis.
“I only wanted a story arc in the saga,” wept the girl.
“I give you a fucking arc,” seethed Tanlin.
He spread his membranous wings, obscuring the coppery glow of the three moons overhead.
Tanlin was momentarily diverted from the peasant girl who he was graphically raping.
“Clearly you are a black dragon,” he said. “What I meant to say is that you are a dragon of colour with a high melanin count.”
“I identify as a blue dragon,” replied the wyrm. “Not all blue dragons are blue. Furthermore, I resent this stereotype that dragons who are the colour of ferrous metal are good, and that dragons of any other colour are inherently evil. It's blue dragon history month, or at least it was until those thieving Kender bastards co-opted it. Everyone should be thinking jolly hard about the many positive contributions that my race has made to the vibrant and diverse culture of Krynn.”
“Name one thing,” said Tanlin, as he deftly flipped the girl onto her back and reinserted himself.
“For one thing, keeping the Solamnic Knights down to a manageable number,” replied the dragon. “And don't forget it was one of us who helped to rid the world of the sex criminal, Sturm Brightblade.”
“Yes, it was only after his death that we discovered the full extent of his gruesome sex crimes,” mused Tanlin, as he thrust himself harder into his reluctant victim.
“I actually think that he wanted someone to stop him,” said the dragon.
He unfurled a scroll with his talon.
“When you are done, I would very much appreciate it if you would sign this petition, requesting a ban on the use of bump stocks in conjunction with dragonlances.”
A repetitive movement by the campfire drew his attention towards the the frail figure Stevlin, grandson of Raistlin.
“Are you masturbating?” said Nightshaft.
“No, it's just the way the flickering shadows from the fire are falling across my robes,” replied the mage, relinquishing his secret grip on his penis.
“I only wanted a story arc in the saga,” wept the girl.
“I give you a fucking arc,” seethed Tanlin.
Dark Sun would be more likely imo than Ravenloft to get axed. I adore Ravenloft and Gothic Earth and would be heartbroken if they went that route. I can certainly see them doing something dumb with Ravenloft and some of their other IPs.
It's on Youtube.
Who can forget such classic characters, like, uh, Hero Guy, Wizard Guy, the Dwarf, the Annoying Thing, and Bad Guy.
(sersly, the Dragonlance movie is fun as fuck to watch while drunk with friends.)
Oh god. I dropped into this at a random timestamp and the conversation the characters were having used the exact same animation sequence three separate times. Laughed hard. Gonna put this on the list for my next Plan 9 movie marathon.
I'm surprised they weren't canceled already. At least a decade ago the NPCs on rpg.net were talking about how one of the authors did an imitation of a gully dwarf using retard stereotypes or something at some convention and they were all falling over each other to condemn him like he just ate a baby.
Honestly I used to love Dragonlance until Dragons Of Summer Flame killed off a bunch of characters and fucked up magic.
Gully Dwarves, Kender and Gnomes are all versions of autism. Having normal-ish characters snarl at them was so much fun, but the weird turn the series took wasn't worth it. Now, I come here and read about lolcows instead.
Gully Dwarves, Kender and Gnomes are all versions of autism. Having normal-ish characters snarl at them was so much fun, but the weird turn the series took wasn't worth it. Now, I come here and read about lolcows instead.
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Woke sucks so much dick.
Does this mean WoTC wanted to make its own version of FATAL, then?
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The wokeness just hit when Orc joke came back & SJw just wanted go back around to try kill D&D.
I fully agree this will just be settled by next year out of court NDA 15 Mill call it day for selling your work , but also dealing Nacy that would of been open to do changes you just had to talk to them because...
THEY RELIED ON WIZARD OF CUCKING COAST TO HONOR THE DEAL .
I agree with other youtubers that the issue was Fruit of poision tree(they seek out older books if the like the story or authors) -SJW will attack you for things done in the past including past book even if you put a warning label that this was a thing of its time. All they had to do was either Discontinue the book or/& ban the book just straight tell all book selling site We will Blacklist you if you sell the book ,DMCA other sites has the book ,Digitaly flush the book from the internet google would be happy to help.
The answer is yes all the SJW , issues would be in email form these people if if it was open to discovery.
What a shame. These books were what got me interested in playing D&D in the first place, I started reading them in high school, then a few years later started properly playing D&D at university.
I’ll always say that real-world standards of diversity and multiculturalism have no place in fantasy (and sci-fi) - you’ve got a whole other world where magic exists and race is more than just skin pigmentation - elves, dwarves and orcs live alongside humans, yet it’s not properly “diverse” until you have a fantasy world that closely resembles modern day America. And in just about any form of media you can’t ever create a character that’s properly representative of a demographic by woke standards, unless the creator is a “PoC” and even then if the character is inaccurate you’re not allowed to criticise them, especially not if you’re white, and if you aren’t, get ready for accusations of being whitewashed. See: the entire cast of ValiDate.
I’ll always say that real-world standards of diversity and multiculturalism have no place in fantasy (and sci-fi) - you’ve got a whole other world where magic exists and race is more than just skin pigmentation - elves, dwarves and orcs live alongside humans, yet it’s not properly “diverse” until you have a fantasy world that closely resembles modern day America. And in just about any form of media you can’t ever create a character that’s properly representative of a demographic by woke standards, unless the creator is a “PoC” and even then if the character is inaccurate you’re not allowed to criticise them, especially not if you’re white, and if you aren’t, get ready for accusations of being whitewashed. See: the entire cast of ValiDate.
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Stuff like this is the reason I really only read fiction from Baen publishing. The publishers of John Ringo and all.
This is legit a shame, Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman have always been a ton of fun as a writing team and I really enjoy their books (I don't even think Dragonlance is their best work, they've done a lot as a duo).
Dragonlance, whatever your thoughts on it, is a pretty significant series/setting in classic high fantasy, and it's funny that they're now ready to tear down something that was also being cowritten by a woman as a Big Name Series in the eighties, which I'd argue should have been notable to the Woke crowd which is always bitching about that sort of thing. Their work has plenty of significant and legit enjoyable strong female characters, examination and condemnations of things like racism and religious zealotry through a fantasy lense, issues of depression and suicide, the lot of it.
I'd argue their work WAS quite progressive considering the time frame it was written in, havent read more recent stuff but WotC can go fuck itself over this.
Also Margaret Weiss comments with little dragon emojis on people's tweets about Draginlance, which is super endearing in a boomery sort of way.
Dragonlance, whatever your thoughts on it, is a pretty significant series/setting in classic high fantasy, and it's funny that they're now ready to tear down something that was also being cowritten by a woman as a Big Name Series in the eighties, which I'd argue should have been notable to the Woke crowd which is always bitching about that sort of thing. Their work has plenty of significant and legit enjoyable strong female characters, examination and condemnations of things like racism and religious zealotry through a fantasy lense, issues of depression and suicide, the lot of it.
I'd argue their work WAS quite progressive considering the time frame it was written in, havent read more recent stuff but WotC can go fuck itself over this.
Also Margaret Weiss comments with little dragon emojis on people's tweets about Draginlance, which is super endearing in a boomery sort of way.
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