DSP's Loan & Savings Company -

neger psykolog

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Since DSP's finances are starting to become a large talking point, I'm stickying this thread. I'll also copy some informative posts from the megathread when I get a chance.

This place is a discuss to keep track of Phil's financial situation including:
  • tax/loan/debt amount speculation
  • income from sources speculation
  • gin expenditure speculation
Updated as of 9/7/19.

Courtesy of @SoapQueen1:

2018 average income was just over $9798 per month and is missing tips from May 2018.
View attachment 921675
MonthBitsSubsTipsYouTubePatreonTotalNotes
January 20184197.891112.52248.94190011008659.33
February 20182820.49757.5140028008408617.99Youtube assumes $2 CPM
March 20182296.84798.51311.6732007188325.01Youtube assumes $2 CPM
April 20182198.24883.50158522507247640.74
May 20182586.82884.0046006598729.82Youtube assumes $2 CPM; Tips not included
June 20182189.311512507.3222507778874.62
July 20183950.513011712146112609684.5
August 20184739.93129530491535100411622.93Tut's $2200 of cheering
September 20182579.531921.541921.541388735.618546.22
October 20182350.751344.51730.911800842.168068.32
November 20182467.051433.51704.61718659.87982.95
December 20182595.3113340.52372.1182070020827.91Emerald_seven gifted 600 Tier 3 subs

2019 average income was just over $9700 per month.
MonthBitsSubsTipsYouTubePatreonTotal
January 20193565.932715.291113.51820647.029861.74
February 20192103.3814702036.471766622.637998.48
March 20192562.114594838.612000625.811485.51
April 20191802.2410473350.171700510.538409.94
May 20191556.291295.53105.931688535.848181.56
June 20192234.081234.085161.731742644.7211016.61
July 20192299.031411.53051.181688483.098932.8
August 20192572.531655.55327.831728480.9711764.83
September 20191842.201590.003,401.15762 - 2286469.868065.21 - 9589.21
October 20192306.431553.504840.65776 - 2328400.309876.88 - 11428.88
November 20191,493.381,720.504,249.89828 - 2484415.958,707.72 - 10,363.72
December 20192,004.341,619.004,424.26832 - 2,496394.059,273.65 - 10,937.65

2020 income (***Note that tips are gross amount and do not include Paypal's fees)
Month​
Bits​
Subs​
Tips​
Youtube​
Patreon​
Total​
Jan 2020$2,408.10$1,723$4,535.43$890-2,670$435.51$9,992.04-$11,772.04
Feb 2020$2,607.31$1,583$6,096.40$784.50-2,353.50$403.33$10,934.54 - $12,503.54
March 2020$1,478.66$1,850.50$5,027.44$910-2,730$390.99$9,657.59 - $11,477.59
April 2020$2,645.48$1,797.50$6,824.80$1,000-$3,000$425.94$12,693.72 - $14,693.72
May 2020$2,425.38$1,975.00$8,524.43$936-$2,808$372.67$14,233.48 - $16,105.48
June 2020$1,711.77$1,728.00$6,214.50$911-$2,733$482.86$11,048.13 - $12,780.13
July 2020
August 2020
Sept 2020
Oct 2020
Nov 2020
Dec 2020
I was in the process of editing the post and must have left a half-complete post. Fixed.

Income taxes:
Qualified Business Income$132,339.00
Qualified Business Income Deduction$22,157.91
Employer's Share of FICA Deduction$9,349.45
Assumed Business Expenses$0.00
Personal Taxable Income$88,631.64
Federal Income Tax$15,446.09
FICA Tax (Both Employer and Employee Share)$18,698.91
Total Tax$34,145.00
Take-Home Pay$98,194.00
I assume zero business expenses because they're hard to input into my existing calculator. Negligible and barely affect his taxes at all.

Take-home pay: $8,182.83 per fucking month. Overall tax rate: 25.8%. B&O is another 1.5% on top, not shown, just under $2,000.

This assumes he isn't itemizing his deductions. If he is he may be paying even less.

An employed person would be paying $1000 less if you forget their employer isn't paying half the FICA and would give the employee that money if they weren't.

January 2018 Twitch Bits/Subs Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-2321#post-3016036
- Includes a comment showing Patreon income
February 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dsps-loan-savings-company.36834/post-3108230
March 2018 Twitch Bits/Subs and Tips Income from EddyB43: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-3202233
May 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3113#post-3414732
June 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3203#post-3517751
July 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3328#post-3618854
August 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3444#post-3722106
September 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3524#post-3812913
October 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3650#post-3927097
November 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3786#post-4037538
December 2018 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-3962#post-4147351

January 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4065#post-4271159
February 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4136#post-4386431
March 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4213#post-4519707
April 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4299#post-4654701
May 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4411#post-4788157
June 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4507#post-4934159
July 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4614#post-5100933
August 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/page-4724#post-5266698
September 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-5418236
October 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-5541147
November 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-5664838
December 2019 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-5802509

January 2020 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-5954374
February 2020 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-6084753
March 2020 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-6232588
April 2020 Income: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/darksydephil-theycallmedsp-phil-burnell.975/post-6391092
 
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JamFlowMan

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Good idea as this will be a common topic through January at least. Like all Dsp emergencies it is fun to speculate but skeptical this will lead anywhere other then another bill Dsp will make minimum payments on for years to come. Actually it will be his fans making those payments since he already changed his tune from only wanting moral support to hoping there is some "wealthy investor" who watches his channel that can foot the bill for him.
 

Adamska

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The shyster makes 6k a month; he'll be fine though he'll bitch all out given how he might finally have to ration out his money.
 

Lurkette

Professional Depression
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^sums it up pretty nicely, and the way he handles his finances reminds me of the opera episode where lucy admits to bouncing money between accounts until she finally ran out of any funds
 

EddyB43

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Since this is all about the finances, let's see how well crying about your business tax issues actually pays.

20171123-01 Hate Live 43 Thanksgiving:
*$21.65 from GoldenColts, $90 in $10+ cheers including 2x$25 cheerleader, >60% cheering.*
*A $300, 4x$100 & $50 big tips. $786 total tips >55% of all previous tipping this month.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$41 & cheers ~$148.40 & tips ~$786 = ~$975.40
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$395.50 & cheers ~$1619.66 & tips ~$2141.35 = ~$4156.51
20171123-02 NfS Payback 5th:
*As a counterpoint, this tiny amount of cheering is just under 1% of cheering for the month so far.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$5 & cheers ~$16.05 & tips ~$38 = ~$59.05
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$400.50 & cheers ~$1635.71 & tips ~$2179.35 = ~$4215.56

20171124-01 Assassin's Creed Origins 10th:
*$50 cheer from new user, $10+$6.10 GoldenColts & $5+$1 from Karlis_K, >85% cheering.*
*$250, $100 & $80 tips account for all the tips, meaning $1180 in big tips since yesterday.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$12.50 & cheers ~$80.90 & tips ~$430 = ~$523.40
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$413 & cheers ~$1716.61 & tips ~$2609.35 = ~$4738.96
20171124-02 Mario Odyssey 10th:
*2x$25 cheers from different people & $10 from a 3rd, plus $6 total from GoldenColts >90% cheering.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$10 & cheers ~$72.30 & tips ~$6 = ~$88.30
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$423 & cheers ~$1788.91 & tips ~$2615.35 = ~$4827.26

Overall these 2 days paid ~$68.50 in subs, ~$317.65 in cheers & ~$1260 in tips, ~$1646.15 overall.
 

Confidential Baldwin

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Since this is all about the finances, let's see how well crying about your business tax issues actually pays.

20171123-01 Hate Live 43 Thanksgiving:
*$21.65 from GoldenColts, $90 in $10+ cheers including 2x$25 cheerleader, >60% cheering.*
*A $300, 4x$100 & $50 big tips. $786 total tips >55% of all previous tipping this month.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$41 & cheers ~$148.40 & tips ~$786 = ~$975.40
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$395.50 & cheers ~$1619.66 & tips ~$2141.35 = ~$4156.51
20171123-02 NfS Payback 5th:
*As a counterpoint, this tiny amount of cheering is just under 1% of cheering for the month so far.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$5 & cheers ~$16.05 & tips ~$38 = ~$59.05
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$400.50 & cheers ~$1635.71 & tips ~$2179.35 = ~$4215.56

20171124-01 Assassin's Creed Origins 10th:
*$50 cheer from new user, $10+$6.10 GoldenColts & $5+$1 from Karlis_K, >85% cheering.*
*$250, $100 & $80 tips account for all the tips, meaning $1180 in big tips since yesterday.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$12.50 & cheers ~$80.90 & tips ~$430 = ~$523.40
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$413 & cheers ~$1716.61 & tips ~$2609.35 = ~$4738.96
20171124-02 Mario Odyssey 10th:
*2x$25 cheers from different people & $10 from a 3rd, plus $6 total from GoldenColts >90% cheering.*
Twitch income total: Subs ~$10 & cheers ~$72.30 & tips ~$6 = ~$88.30
Twitch income total to this point: Subs ~$423 & cheers ~$1788.91 & tips ~$2615.35 = ~$4827.26

Overall these 2 days paid ~$68.50 in subs, ~$317.65 in cheers & ~$1260 in tips, ~$1646.15 overall.
Good god. I bet there are panhandlers on the street who wish they had half the bs skills Phil has. Homelessness would be at an all time low.
 

DiabeticShitheadPhil

15 bucks little man, put that shit in my hand
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Just watched the video on his planned Patreon changes in 2018. He's trying to suck more money out of people by basing the events off of how many Twitch subs he can get. He's lucky he gets what he does now. I wouldn't be surprised if this change is what eventually fucks him over on Twitch.

Phil's desperate for some of that easy tax-free money to bail him out of his latest fuckup that he's not taking ownership of, and once again blaming others. And why is he still going on about his money issues when it's rude to ask about money. I guess it's not rude to just throw your money issues onto the people watching your content and hope they throw more money at you like tossing marshmallows to that one old, fat bear at the zoo that is almost dead from marshmallow-induced diabetes.
 

LimePaladin

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Is Phil's "tax problem" just that he didn't realize he needs to pay his taxes himself? I haven't been following him for the past few months.
 

James Smith

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Is Phil's "tax problem" just that he didn't realize he needs to pay his taxes himself? I haven't been following him for the past few months.
He had an accountant from CT doing his taxes for both CT and federal. When he moved he asked the accountant if there were any taxes for WA and the guy told him no. Instead of getting confirmation by either Googling or asking a local accountant he was lazy and took the guy's word for it. 3.5 years later he owes all of those years' back taxes.
 
M

MG 620

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What a shameless ass DSP is. He owns property? If money really were tight he could sell it and rent a cheaper place.

Oh wait!
 
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So with the new tax bill probably incoming, what does fate have in store for our Phil?
 

neger psykolog

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Since DSP's finances are starting to become a large talking point, I'm stickying this thread. I'll also copy some informative posts from the megathread when I get a chance.
 
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actually

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Since DSP's finances are starting to become a large talking point, I'm stickying this thread. I'll also copy some informative posts from the megathread when I get a chance.

Can you copy over one of the posts about his bill breakdown per month? And here's the February 2018 summary, including @EddyB43 's tip count and an estimate of Phil's youtube revenue:

Unique cheerers: 375
Total cheers: 7878
Final bit total is: $ 2820.49
Average cheer: $ 0.36
Subs: 287 (275@$4.99, 8@$9.99, 4@$24.99, 37 gifted)
Final sub total is: $ 757.50
Unique tippers: 0
Final tip total is: $ 0.00
Live pet total is: $ 0.00
Total money is: $ 3577.99

Patreon was ~$840 or so. Youtube had 1.39M views, so take the high end of $1 CPM across all videos, giving ~$1400 from Youtube, and the tips were at least $1400 (at least b/c less than $5 tips don't show up on screen and Eddy's not listening for verbal mentions of sub $5).

So all told, Phil brought in around $7240 (at least) before taxes, fees, and so on. Definitely one of his lower months overall.
 

actually

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Here's a 2017 breakdown of Phil's monthly/yearly estimated knowable expenses. Knowable meaning that they are reasonably predictable bills like mortgage payments, utilities, etc. Food costs and truly random expenses (an A/C failure, for instance) aren't included.

WA Mortgage (assuming all fees as well, like homeowner's insurance): $1500 x 12 = $18000
CT Mortgage (same thing here): $1500 x 12 = $18000
Electric / Water (based on my recollection of the leaked info): $150 x 12 = $1800
Internet + Streaming Services: $450 x 12 = $5400
Federal Taxes (Estimated based on $100k self-employed income): ~$1200 x 12 = $14400
Health Insurance: $300 x 12 = $3600
WA Property Tax (didn't look this up; based on recollection): $3500 (yearly)
CT Property Tax (looked it up): $1600 (yearly)
Car Payment (total guess, aimed high): $300 x 12 = $3600
CC / Business Loan Payments (total guess again): $1200 x 12 = $14400
Car Insurance (guess): $100 x 12 = $1200
Phone (based on vague memory of post-Leanna change): $30 x 12 = $360

Totalled up, that equals a range of ~$85,860-86,360 annually, or about $7167 monthly. And this doesn't include food, games purchased, and so on. This also almost certainly over-estimates due to not considering deductions and so on. But it gives at least some idea of where the "break-even" point might be. ***NOTE: This applies to 2017 and previous.***

As @SoapQueen1 helpfully pointed out, however, the federal taxes should drop rather precipitously for DSP in 2018 under the new tax bill courtesy of the 20% pass-through for business. I'll let @SoapQueen1 do that breakdown since they seem to understand it pretty well.

Based on this, February was the first month that was actually tight for Phil.
 

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