Economics and Environmental Sustainability - Water as a public resource and short term gain vs long term profit

.Woody

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The Mekong River Basin is among the largest river ecosystems in Asia, providing goods and services (fishing, agriculture, etc.) for hundreds of millions of people across 6 countries. When I was studying in Vietnam for a semester, the hot topic for biological science was the proposal, mainly by the Chinese Government, to build a few hundred hydropower dams on the river. You can look up other various studies, but here's a good one:
https://www.pnas.org/content/109/15/5609.short

Essentially, putting dams on the river is going to drastically change the entire region, removing flood plains, killing fish species, etc.
Now what's the point? Money. Hydroelectric dams generate power which the government turns into profit by utilizing and selling the product of that power. Here's the thing, hydro dams are like hookers, they can put out for a good 20 to 30 years, but they tendto get crusty and silt up after that time. On the Mekong, which you can think of like a pimp with a lot of connections and deep pockets, the dams might last a bit longer. 40-50 years. After that you get an ecosystem which is essentially irrevocably damaged, and a bunch of dead hookers. This seems like a terrible business idea, right? Well no, because it's all about short term profit. Sure, you might be displacing huge sections of your population and killing a river system that's been there for millions of years, but you get a good amount of money before that. In economics, especially with capitalism, the environment is seen as something that can be exploited for profit. Sustainability isn't really part of it. My question is this, how do we use the environment in a way that is both sustainable and profitable? Or is that even something worth doing? You get these "activists"going out there and proclaiming save the trees and all that, but no one really cares. Yes, the Mekong provides food and water for millions of people, but that's not profitable. I for one like the idea of sustainability and biodiversity, the earth would be boring without it. But I cant think of a way to motivate people to care, without also finding a way to also generate profit from the environment, while sustaining it. I had the idea of defining water and forests and all that as a public service, but again I dont see a way to pull a few million bucks out of that. Let me know if I'm just a faggot for wanting to preserve the environment, or if you have any ideas that might work.
 

Clop

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Well this thread at least put me on the path to reading a short bit about how hydroelectric dams avoid murdering the entire ecosystem, and apparently there are plenty of those, so any system that just goes "fuck 'em" can only be blamed of laziness, which is something I wholeheartedly expect from the Chinese government on a lot of living things.
 

RetardedCat

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Hear me out on this one, I got a controversial plan:
fuck nature, we're more powerful than it.

We've got buildings that can resist earthquakes and tornadoes, we can redirect flooding away from our cities and literally build below sea-level just because we can.
Nature's our fucking bitch as it should be. So who cares if we kill a bunch of gay fish building dams on a river, there's more fish elsewhere, we've eaten various land species into extinction just because they were fucking tasty, I don't see the difference.

So sure, let China build the dams if they want to, anyone who opposes progress because "nature" is just a fucking moron who doesn't understand how we got there in the first place. Humans are the ultimate species on this planet, it's ours we do what we want. If the planet doesn't want us anymore it'll just throw itself into the Sun. But until then it's our place to fuck up as much as we want.
 

.Woody

I am the snake in my boot
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i didnt really get the point of your rant, but you're claiming that hydro plants somehow expire and become useless after running for 30 years, which is ridiculous nonsense, so i won't even bother trying to figure out the rest of your post

also talking in hooker and pimp analogies isn't how you get people to take you seriously
Hydroelectric dams tend to stop the natural flow of sediments through a river, resulting in silt buildup. This process takes a long time. That being said, the buildup of sediment in rivers caused massive amounts of damage to watersheds. I didnt mean to say that the dams themselves stopped working, more that the damage done the environment begins to outweigh the amount of money generated by the dams. Look up sediment buildup in dammed rivers. Here's a good one:
 

Exorbital Columnations

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I say we use this bitch up before it gets hit by another asteroid or the sun goes out. There's no compelling moral imperative that can convince me that @RetardedCat isn't dead on with his assessment.

This is our place, we have dominion over it, let's make of it what we will. Worst case scenario; we cause a massive extinction event which eventually wipes us out, then in 100 million years all the ecological niches are filled by new species.

Whatever happens, we're not going to destroy this planet unless we fire all the nukes or something crazy like that. Even then I doubt that would end life.
 

Y2K Baby

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Chinese government is negligent and undertakes massive projects without proper oversight. More at 11.
 
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