Ellen DeGeneres, George W. Bush, and the death of uncritical niceness - be kind to one another even war criminals

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On Sunday, Ellen DeGeneres spent her afternoon in a luxury box at a football game in Texas, watching the Dallas Cowboys play the Green Bay Packers and laughing cheerfully next to former president George W. Bush. The TV cameras panned over the pair sitting together, apparently in the midst of a friendly exchange, and on social media, people erupted into outrage.



Ellen is a trailblazer who taught middle America not to be afraid of lesbians. Most famously, she came out of the closet in 1997 while still the star of a primetime network sitcom, and weathered both the ensuing controversy and her show’s cancellation to survive and thrive in Hollywood.


George W. Bush is the architect of the Iraq War who built a large part of his appeal on the idea that middle America should absolutely be afraid of lesbians. Notably, he supported a constitutional amendment that would have defined marriage as a union between one man and one woman, and he opposed classifying crimes against gay people as hate crimes. So what, asked progressive observers, was Ellen doing palling around with Bush?

On her talk show on Tuesday, Ellen presented a very Ellen-branded defense of her actions to those she described as “people who were mad.” She was, she told her audience, just being kind.

“I’m friends with George Bush. In fact, I’m friends with a lot of people who don’t share the same beliefs that I have,” Ellen said, during a segment that ran nearly four minutes long. She noted that while she personally is anti-fur, plenty of her friends wear furs.


“Just because I don’t agree with someone on everything doesn’t mean that I’m not going to be friends with them,” Ellen concluded. “When I say, ‘Be kind to one another,’ I don’t mean only the people that think the same way that you do. I mean, ‘Be kind to everyone, it doesn’t matter.’”

Despite persistent tabloid rumors that Ellen is not particularly nice to work with, once the cameras are rolling, any kind of celebrity can drop by Ellen’s talk show — politicians, actors, viral YouTube stars — and she’ll be aggressively nice, beaming and sunny and joyous, until her guest reflects Ellen’s sunniness back out to the audience and they, too, appear to be nice. That’s why Ellen the TV show exists: to make celebrity guests look good, and to let audience bask in that goodness, in the name of entertainment.


In that context, Ellen’s friendship with Bush might appear to be more of the same: more of the niceness that she is famous for performing at all of her guests, no matter who they are. And a few years ago, she might have been able to use her brand to sway public opinion to her side. But in 2019, Ellen’s niceness is no longer playing to her audience as an unalloyed good.


In our current political moment, niceness no longer appears to be a cure-all. And uncritical niceness may no longer be a viable brand, even for someone as good at wielding it as Ellen is.

For some people, Ellen’s friendship with Bush is a betrayal of her legacy as a lesbian icon

While Ellen’s “be kind” speech was met with plenty of support from fellow celebrities on social media (“Thank you for this important reminder, Ellen!” tweeted Reese Witherspoon), many of the civilians in the room were less than convinced by her logic

“Being nice to Bush means in turn disrespecting those whose lives were destroyed by his disastrous administration,” wrote Naomi LaChance at Splinter News. “You literally cannot be kind to everyone. You have to choose a side! Ellen certainly has.”


“DeGeneres betrays her political significance as an openly gay entertainer and a prominent LGBTQ advocate through her friendship with Bush,” wrote Justin Charity at the Ringer.


“When one person has historically believed other people should not have the same basic rights as another, it’s hard to treat these differences as benign—especially when that person once exercised their power to help make their beliefs a reality,” wrote Laura Bradley at Vanity Fair.


Ellen weathered a similar controversy earlier this year. After Kevin Hart stepped down from hosting the Oscars in the midst of outrage over some of his old homophobic jokes, Ellen brought him onto her show and urged him to ignore “the haters.”


“Don’t let those people win — host the Oscars,” she told him. She announced that she had already called the Film Academy to pledge her support to Hart.

“DeGeneres could have shared her platform with dozens of other comedians in the queer community instead of allowing Hart to further a narrative in which he is the victim (rather than the people he referred to [using a homophobic slur] over and over online),” wrote Bridget Read at Vogue.


“Both DeGeneres and Hart, in this conversation, were in positions of power to create a tangible change in our culture about responsibility, liability, humor, acceptance, and harm,” wrote Kevin Fallon at the Daily Beast. “It should have been the teaching moment so many were waiting for. How is it possible then that they both made the situation worse?”


Ellen’s pleas for Hart went unheard by the Academy Powers That Be, and the 2019 Oscars went forward with no host at all. Her formidable ability to reflect her own niceness and good reputation onto a problematic celebrity and rehabilitate them through her endorsement had failed — just as her ability to smooth over a controversy with calls for kindness seems to be failing this week.


In many ways, it feels as though niceness is no longer enough, as though it might perhaps even be slightly immoral. In this age of Donald Trump and #MeToo and apocalyptic climate change and gun violence and all the other things that make our futures seem ever more uncertain, and as though those in power are ever more unqualified to help us — do we even want to be nice to the powerful anymore? Is uncritical niceness to people who have made the world a worse place a good and admirable thing?

But the rising sense that niceness might at times be immoral stands in sharp opposition to all the things that Ellen has traditionally been very good at: the ability to be charming and likable and kind to everyone, no matter who they are or what they’ve done. That’s what Ellen supporters like Reese Witherspoon are applauding, and it’s what Ellen has built her defense on.

We’re in a pop culture moment that loves wholesomeness. That doesn’t mean we love niceness, too.

Right now, popular culture is in love with all that is wholesome: cute animal pictures, wholesome memes, wholesome movies, the general idea of friends being nice to each other, and just about anything that might give us a rest from the unending bleakness and horror of these, Our Troubled Times

Been waiting for this dyke to shoot herself in the foot. Her producer Andy is a moron especially on Twitter btw.
 

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The embodiment of the two political/cultural forces that gutted America, no surprise they were friends.
 

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Fucking Vox.

This article is shit. Literally saying that instead of trying to make compromises with people or whatnot and try to become friends and understand people who stand in your way so you could kind of perceive a common human understanding, it depicts the article more of a war-like battle cry of the modern left's intolerance for people who disagree with them and how they think that the first-world is always in a perpetual state of doom. And how they fill with loaded words that people who "make the world a worse place" (in their own subjection) shouldn't at least try to be understood. This reads like an article written by a Star-Bellied Sneetch telling us how The Sneetches with no stars upon thars don't really deserve to be treated with any humanity of any kind because apparently we need to be in a perpetual state of fighting the opposition nowadays.

but then again the video above shows us that she's a hypocrite, so fuck her then; the article is still pretty shit though
 

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If we can be assholes to everyone, sure. I suppose this site is built on that principle. But their argument isn't that everyone is worthy of being criticized, and if you were to say that they'd come up with the same exact excuses Bush/McCain defenders do for why their pet idols are above criticism.
 

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Fucking Vox.

This article is shit. Literally saying that instead of trying to make compromises with people or whatnot and try to become friends and understand people who stand in your way so you could kind of perceive a common human understanding, it depicts the article more of a war-like battle cry of the modern left's intolerance for people who disagree with them and how they think that the first-world is always in a perpetual state of doom. And how they fill with loaded words that people who "make the world a worse place" (in their own subjection) shouldn't at least try to be understood. This reads like an article written by a Star-Bellied Sneetch telling us how The Sneetches with no stars upon thars don't really deserve to be treated with any humanity of any kind because apparently we need to be in a perpetual state of fighting the opposition nowadays.

but then again the video above shows us that she's a hypocrite, so fuck her then; the article is still pretty shit though
I don't think the video makes her look all that bad. She's criticizing the sitting president for his current policies, and she's friendly with someone who is no longer the president, bygones be bygones. If she can look past that and hang around Bush, it's admirable, not hypocrisy. She's definitely not on the same level of hypocrisy as a brony.

I laugh at her because she's fucking wrong on political issues and she picked the side that is going to stab her in the back - which they just fucking did. I'd take this as an opportunity to ask if she learned a fucking lesson on what her "side" has become. I don't have my hopes up, though.
 

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She's criticizing the sitting president for his current policies, and she's friendly with someone who is no longer the president, bygones be bygones

Yeah, but doesn't that make her look kind of hypocritical? She would want to sit with anyone regardless of political opinions except if they have the opinions of someone like DT, who merely is the most moderate Republican president since Eisenhower? I mean I can kind of understand why she wouldn't want Tramp on there. Tramp conflicts with the light-hearted image of the show with his crass humor and linguistics, but I assume she probably would've had him on there in 2004 or 2005 back when Demos loved him.
 

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Yeah, but doesn't that make her look kind of hypocritical? She would want to sit with anyone regardless of political opinions except if they have the opinions of someone like DT, who merely is the most moderate Republican president since Eisenhower? I mean I can kind of understand why she wouldn't want Tramp on there. Tramp conflicts with the light-hearted image of the show with his crass humor and linguistics, but I assume she probably would've had him on there in 2004 or 2005 back when Demos loved him.
No? It doesn't. You can be friends with people who do not share your beliefs, but you would be staunchly criticizing them if they were in the political office. Bush is not in the political office in the year 2019, so why not sit with the guy and talk like normal human beings? Tribalism is fucking up politics, stop thinking that there's some obligation to acting non-civil with your opponents after stepping down from the podium. Wait ten years and someone is going to be sitting with Trump and getting shit on for it.
 

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WAR CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMINAL!

Come on, dude hasn't done anything that every president since Jackson hasn't done. I remember a night strike on Iraq during Clinton's regime being broadcast on the news and no one seemed to have a critical word to say about it. And we weren't even technically at war.

I'm not sure why Bush getting elected all of a sudden turned Sadaam into everyone's best friend.
 

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Seems weird to say on a site like here, but I wish that niceness towards just people in general didn't get attacked the way that Ellen is getting attacked right now.

The article is basically a repository of all the places on the left that won't let you see your opponents as humans, who insist it is Us vs Them and you cannot give an inch. It is far from only the left who does it, but it always irks me more from them because they're preaching tolerance and acceptance at the exact same time. It's the same mindset which sees manners as respectability politics and therefore bad, and that politeness is tone policing and therefore equally silencing.

I hate a lot of people - probably unsurprising. But I can't say I actually hate anyone I've actually met, probably because they're real people that way. Sure, I very much dislike some people, and maybe if I met some of my favourite lolcows I'd manage it. But hatred has so far been reserved only for those I have that degree of remove from.

Also, part of what bugs me about these reactions is that they're likely extra-hypocritical because they're written by people who will never be presented with this sort of thing. They're nobodies - when would they be sat next to W, or even people much lower on the chain that they still regard as evil? They'd undoubtedly, at best, be like that woman who recently had her tweets posted in the SJW thread, saying that Quentin Tarantino was on her flight and she wanted to go and yell at him about his portrayal of women in his films ... but instead just stayed where she was and had arguments with him in her head. Arguments she undoubtedly continually won through her clear brilliance, I'm sure.

So overall, fuck Vox, The Daily Beast, and all the other places which try and argue for a great cultural divide. And especially fuck them for the inevitable articles they'll publish about how terrible it is that America is a country divided and wring their hands about that, completely ignoring they're a main part of the problem.
 

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What a fucking surprise everyone sited as a critic of Ellen in the article are fucking journalists, the most sanctimonious pieces of shit on the human ladder.

Even if Degeneres is fake as fuck, imo as long as your outward opinion is one of kindness, unless you're doing real heinous shit behind the scenes, power to you.
 

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What a fucking surprise everyone sited as a critic of Ellen in the article are fucking journalists, the most sanctimonious pieces of shit on the human ladder.
Troons are reeing that DeGeneres fraternalizes with a WAR CRIMINAL. But we know troons hate lesbians worst already.
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This tweet is very old (2012), but it captures the tenor of the Vox article:
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