Elon Musk intends to block out the night sky forever - Space-X? More like S̶p̶a̶c̶e̶

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Cheap fast internet worldwide or some nerds staring at the sky while pretending like they're doing something important... hm, that's a hard choice.
Yeah, learning about the wider universe is something only faggots and cucks do, we got more important things to worry about like porn and anime amirite?
 

Astro Galactic Megalul

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Yeah, learning about the wider universe is something only faggots and cucks do, we got more important things to worry about like porn and anime amirite?
Why are you people so serious all of a sudden?
Besides, as someone else has already mentioned, astronomy is better without atmosphere in the way. Space telescopes is where it's at. So In that regard I'm not worried, as this whole endeavor is worth it.
 

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Why are you people so serious all of a sudden?
Besides, as someone else has already mentioned, astronomy is better without atmosphere in the way. Space telescopes is where it's at. So In that regard I'm not worried, as this whole endeavor is worth it.
as far as I'm concerned, it gets important if a space rock comes near the planet. But most of the ones that stop by are small ones that burn up in it while the larger ones are several moon distances away. If anything, that's really all I'm worried about with Elon's plan. Literally everything else about the universe we can just accomplish by shooting more satellites into space.
 

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"The internet is just for pirated anime and porn" is the most reddit of takes. The internet is the most important invention since fucking fire. In making human information exchange and decision making cheap and dense it has already led to technological breakthroughs that are utterly inconceivable without it. The entire biotechnology industry would not exist today without the ability to rapidly spread lots of information very cheaply.

So yeah, making it available more places at once at a higher quality is a very good thing. But muh capitalism.

How is this going to be cheap though?

It's going to cost - what? - to launch 40,000 satellites. Or even "just" 12,000. Plus all the ground infrastructure (backhaul) to actually connect it to the internet.

"At least $10Bn" over a decade, according to SpaceX a couple of years ago. I dunno how optimistic that estimate is, but assume it's true.

$10Bn isn't a small investment. They're going to want customers to pay this back at some stage. Probably before they get to the 40,000 mega constellation.

So where are the customers? First world countries already have good internet coverage, and it's getting better all the time. Probably isn't a huge market for this in the US, or Europe, or Australia, or Japan, or Korea. Rural broadband for isolated communities is a niche because it's a tiny market.

So - third world countries? But there's a few problems:

* These guys have less money to spend on fancy internet plans, especially if they involve buying expensive (and very stealable) outdoor antennas to work. People in South Africa will kill you to steal plastic lawn furniture. That could put customers off mounting a big "rob me" sign on their homes.

* The Third World already has the internet, mostly. 70% of the African population had mobile broadband coverage by 2019. Cellphones are cheap and popular and ubiquitous. It's a lot cheaper and easier to keep building and upgrading cell towers and cable infrastructure on the ground in Lagos.

The other 30% is still a lot of people, but those people tend to live in dirt-poor villages, where their problem isn't being able to stream Netflix in 4K, it's reliable access to clean water. Are they going to be able to pay for Starlink in chickens or cassava? Africa's population is growing fast, but people are moving to the cities - which already have good internet options. Similar situation in Asia, most of their cities have good internet and that's where the population is moving to.

* What will legacy internet providers do when Starlink starts competing with them? They've already sunk billions into 3G, 4G, 5G, DSL, and cable. Starlink still has to spend many billions of dollars to even begin to compete. The phone and cable companies can afford to cut prices and still make a profit. Can Starlink compete on price with fiber already in the ground, or cellphone masts that already exist? Probably not. And those options don't need you to buy an expensive antenna, then mount it on your house.

* Every satellite internet company to date has either gone bust or had to retrench to tiny niche markets such as oil rigs and cruise ships. Maybe Elon has the secret sauce to make it a profitable business, but maybe he's just shooting for the most spectacularly expensive failure.
It's a solution for a problem that doesn't really exist anymore thanks to cell phones.

Are any of his businesses profitable?
I think you guys would be shocked just how many otherwise fairly well developed regions of the US have no access to anything but terrible satellite internet.

"nigga just use your cell phone" even if that wasn't almost as terrible, places stuck with satellite tend to also have poor cell reception. There are a ton of customers for this business. The problem has always been that they're not densely packed which makes serving them difficult.
 
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I think you guys would be shocked just how many otherwise fairly well developed regions of the US have no access to anything but terrible satellite internet.

"nigga just use your cell phone" even if that wasn't almost as terrible, places stuck with satellite tend to also have poor cell reception. There are a ton of customers for this business. The problem has always been that they're not densely packed with makes serving them difficult.
I've lived in a town of less than 100 people in northern Maine. I know what it's like. This was before the great 4G expansion and it'd be 50/50 on cloudy days whether I'd roll 2 bars of 3G or satellite. Satellite was only useful because they had off hours where your data cap didn't count so you could set everything to download then, use a seedbox and then download from it after midnight, etc. The plans I see now have data caps on the off hours too, but the caps in general are larger.
 
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I've lived in a town of less than 100 people in northern Maine. I know what it's like. This was before the great 4G expansion and it'd be 50/50 on cloudy days whether I'd roll 2 bars of 3G or satellite. Satellite was only useful because they had off hours where your data cap didn't count so you could set everything to download then, use a seedbox and then download from it after midnight, etc. The plans I see now have data caps on the off hours too, but the caps in general are larger.
They just lie though. Hughesnet and their ilk have oversold their service so unless you're in that first month period where you get way higher priority so you don't cancel, you can barely accomplish shit even during off hours.

I don't have trouble believing that IF you can get past the massive cost to enter the market, that a large customer base is there. Everyone in a marginal area of the US< Canada, or Australia, plus aforementioned airlines and etc, are a lot of people.
 

HumanHive

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They only travel in a train after being released from launch - They eventually propel themselves into separate orbits. SpaceX are also working on upgrades to the satellites to make them less visible.
People also need to consider that in the future there are going to be many more larger objects in constant orbit around the earth as we become an inter-planetary species.
This. If they get regulation passed to end this based on "preserve the night sky" grounds, then that's a de facto ban on any major orbital infastructure.
 

Nephi

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It's kinda funny actually. At least he's getting off his ass and actually doing something, unlike us idiots who spend most of our time whining and laughing at people who are no longer funny.
There's only one thing worse than Narcissists like Elon Musk, and that's buttlickers that allow their delusions of grandeur to continue.
Make out of that what you will.
He does a job and gets pay for it, like the most of us, and he deserves no additional praise for it, stop being a buttlicker for the non-iddle wealth like Musk.
 
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There's only one thing worse than Narcissists like Elon Musk, and that's buttlickers that allow their delusions of grandeur to continue.
Make out of that what you will.
He does a job and gets pay for it, like the most of us, and he deserves no additional praise for it, stop being a buttlicker for the non-iddle wealth like Musk.
Honestly, where did daddy touch you?
 
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