Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

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At first, I was just annoyed, now I'm starting to get genuinely pissed off at Tim refusing to acknowledge how his strong-arm tactics suck and give 0 benefits to the customer.
Is not technically his idea all this shitshow started when Tencent throwed shitload of cash and bought almost half of the company, and they are good in being pricks and doing scorch earth tactics to fuck with people

Gee Sweeney: I wonder why Valve isn't giving out Steam keys to a developer that isn't putting their games up on Steam to begin with.
Shenmue III backers get refunds but Steam is blamed for not providing Steam keys.






"Reeeeee why don't we get Steam keys even tho our game isn't on Steam?‽"

Fucking Idiots.
A big fucking lie, if we learned something from the hurricane of shit that was Revolution 60 is that as long as the game is in the Steam database they will give you the keys not question asked, THEY REFUSE to do it because they want to force people to use Epic store, if you want to laugh a little go to usual warez forums they are practically sharpen the knife to crack day 1 Shenmue because several members donated to the kickstarter and were willing to give the Nier automata treatment (cracking it day 1 but refusing to release it because they wanted the game to succeed, even pirates have standards) but after this dick move, they are going nuclear on the game

And the kickstarter website is a sea of flame with shit like this

"Details concerning the refund request process will be announced in a following update. We ask for your patience until that time."]

In a polygon article (i know disgusting) they stated that Epic is going to pay themselves the refunds, the problem they did not say is how they are going to refund a game you did not buy for them, they are halfway expecting that people get lazy and dont ask for refunds in mass, the favorite one is credits for the epic store, they dont care if they lose money they want to shove the damn thing down your throat

In the words of our dear lord Gaben "piracy is not a pricing problem, is a SERVICE problem" and epic store is the best proof of it
 
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They may have been thinking there wasn't going to be a Shenmue 4 regardless and decided to cash out early, by taking Epic's giant pile of cash.

Like I can't imagine there is a large audience for fucking Shenmue in 2020 and beyond.
Mmmm..Hipsters, maybe?
 

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Is not technically his idea all this shitshow started when Tencent throwed shitload of cash and bought almost half of the company, and they are good in being pricks and doing scorch earth tactics to fuck with people




A big fucking lie, if we learned something from the hurricane of shit that was Revolution 60 is that as long as the game is in the Steam database they will give you the keys not question asked, THEY REFUSE to do it because they want to force people to use Epic store, if you want to laugh a little go to usual warez forums they are practically sharpen the knife to crack day 1 Shenmue because several members donated to the kickstarter and were willing to give the Nier automata treatment (cracking it day 1 but refusing to release it because they wanted the game to succeed, even pirates have standards) but after this dick move, they are going nuclear on the game

And the kickstarter website is a sea of flame with shit like this

"Details concerning the refund request process will be announced in a following update. We ask for your patience until that time."]

In a polygon article (i know disgusting) they stated that Epic is going to pay themselves the refunds, the problem they did not say is how they are going to refund a game you did not buy for them, they are halfway expecting that people get lazy and dont ask for refunds in mass, the favorite one is credits for the epic store, they dont care if they lose money they want to shove the damn thing down your throat

In the words of our dear lord Gaben "piracy is not a pricing problem, is a SERVICE problem" and epic store is the best proof of it
Tim Sweeny is lying obviously. Steam Keys are free for anyone. The dev has control over them. Obviously Epic told the dev not to generate any, because the entire point of exclusives is to get them to use their store.

And it is totally going to be in Epic credit. They literally do not care about your opinion. The 'we'll pay for it' reeks of Epic dollars all over it. The money that you gave whatever developer and 40 publishers this game had is long gone. Epic's contract is ironclad. You'll be getting a $60+15 'on us' credit from the chink Spyware company. They'll probably blame Valve somewhere because they have to by this point. They honestly did not care about Shenmue at all, basically it was a vehicle to get you over there anyway. So your refund is literally nothing. Koch Media already got paid. Epic already paid money and it already doesn't care about you.

So people dug around a bit more and, for those that aren't applying for refunds (though, seriously, why the fuck aren't people at this point) and are sticking with getting the $60 physical disc edition, they will instead be getting a disc with the Epic Games Store launcher installed on it.

Not the game, nor a Steam version. as people with the receipts and e-mails from Deep Silver/Ys Net had said: a disc for the launcher. Like one of those AOL discs you would get for 100 minutes of Internet back when dial-up was a thing. Except even those were more useful than this disc.

...On the plus side, the exclusivity deal seems to have been cut down from "forever" to "1 year" but only if you switch to Steam on their old, now updated, survey you had to sign so that's...better? But it just shows that the more people find out about this, the worse the news keeps getting.
If you're stupid enough to stick with a $60 'physical disc' edition of something that sold out to Epic, you get what you deserve. lol, they took money for Epic. You think they're putting that back into the product? Are you fucktarded? That money is in Koch media exec's whore, drug and booze fund as we speak. The only people putting money back into the game are indie devs. All other games purchased its going into executive's bank accounts as bonuses for themselves.

Epic's store is so barebones, I don't even know if it supports independent launchers. It sure as fuck doesn't support offline play. So they're not going to make you anything special. If they're pissed, get a refund.

I think it was always one year, but they just felt being coy and did not anticipate the huge amount of outrage this would generate.
 
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https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/07/ghostbusters_the_video_game_remastered_will_be_a_gamestop_exclusive_in_the_united_states

So, not only will "Ghostbusters: The Video Game - Remastered" be an Epic Games Store exclusive on PC, but it turns out the physical copies of the game are exclusive only to GameStop stores per a joint venture between the two companies.

...GameStop.

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GAMESTOP.


EDIT: What exactly is your plan here, Epic? This is them throwing money into a literal dumpster fire for no other reason other than to dissuade physical/console releases and to move consumers towards PC, I realize that...but why GameStop!? If you're gonna do that, at least don't make it this obvious that neither you nor the developer you bribed give a fuck.
 
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They may have been thinking there wasn't going to be a Shenmue 4 regardless and decided to cash out early, by taking Epic's giant pile of cash.

Like I can't imagine there is a large audience for fucking Shenmue in 2020 and beyond.
I stopped caring about the Shenmue series sometime between Peter Moore selling Shenmue II to Microsoft and Sega making Yakuza. I'm sure most of you guys know this one already, but: Moore disclosed to GamingSteve.com that at a security checkpoint at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, a TSA security agent said "I don't need to see your passport. You're the asshole that gave away Shenmue to Xbox".

 

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https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/07/ghostbusters_the_video_game_remastered_will_be_a_gamestop_exclusive_in_the_united_states

So, not only will "Ghostbusters: The Video Game - Remastered" be an Epic Games Store exclusive on PC, but it turns out the physical copies of the game are exclusive only to GameStop stores per a joint venture between the two companies.

...GameStop.

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EDIT: What exactly is your plan here, Epic? This is them throwing money into a literal dumpster fire for no other reason other than to dissuade physical/console releases and to move consumers towards PC, I realize that...but why GameStop!? If you're gonna do that, at least don't make it this obvious that neither you nor the developer you bribed give a fuck.
Thank god I already bought this game on PC, fuck Epic and fuck GameStop. They both need to burn.
I stopped caring about the Shenmue series sometime between Peter Moore selling Shenmue II to Microsoft and Sega making Yakuza. I'm sure most of you guys know this one already, but: Moore disclosed to GamingSteve.com that at a security checkpoint at Chicago O'Hare International Airport, a TSA security agent said "I don't need to see your passport. You're the asshole that gave away Shenmue to Xbox".

Shenmue is niche as hell, how unlucky do you have to be to run into a guy who knows about it and actually cares enough to give you shit for it? That's hilarious.
 

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EDIT: What exactly is your plan here, Epic? This is them throwing money into a literal dumpster fire for no other reason other than to dissuade physical/console releases and to move consumers towards PC, I realize that...but why GameStop!? If you're gonna do that, at least don't make it this obvious that neither you nor the developer you bribed give a fuck.
Would not be surprised if Tencent buy Gamestop, i mean they like to throw money at everything for no reason at all
 

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Crowdfunding is dead and Epic killed it. If I was thinking about running a kickstarter, I'd be pissed. Who's gonna back my game knowing I can fuck them over for a sweet bag of money from Epic at anytime and recoup any potential losses?

Epic Games will fund cost of refunds for crowdfunded games that go Epic Games Store exclusive
2019-07-03 08:00:00by Chris Moyse

Epic goes all-in on store exclusivity

In the wake of the recent Shenmue III debacle, publisher Epic Games has announced that, going forward, it will stump up the coffers for any and all refunds pertaining to a crowdfunding game choosing to become an Epic Games Store exclusive release.

As a slight refresher, developer Ys Net and publisher Deep Silver upset a lot of fans with the announcement that crowd-funded sequel Shenmue III was to be an Epic Games Store exclusive title, with many backers believing that they would be able to purchase the game for PC on Steam day one. It was then announced this week that any backers who did not wish to purchase Shenmue III via Epic Games Store could either wait a year for the exclusivity to end, change their order to a PS4 copy of the game, or receive a refund for their original dividend.

Clearly anticipating the possibility for this situation to rise again in future, Epic Games has pulled what can arguably be seen as a bold move. From Shenmue III forward, any crowdfunded title that chooses to go with Epic Games Store can be safe in the knowledge that Epic guarantee to pay for all refunds that may arise from potentially disgruntled consumers, should key availability not be an option.

This move immediately takes the concern from a financial standpoint off of the game's publisher should they be handed the opportunity to go with the digital sales platform. Of course, it doesn't change any potential backlash on a conceptual level, as many fans have made it adamantly clear that they simply don't want games to be an Epic Games Store exclusive in the first place, regardless of whether they can get their money back. This new offer, in my opinion, puts publishers in a tough spot where the security of going with Epic is sweetened by the removal of refund concerns, but still leaves behind the potential for angry consumers regardless.

For many crowdfunded games, often made by young, independently-financed outfits, it's a decision that brings about a clash in security/financial stability vs. the subjective concept of "selling out", or alienating buyers who simply do not wish to use the Epic Games Store. On an indie level, where every single sale counts, I'm not particularly envious of any team having to make that choice that could prove pragmatic and financially secure for their future, but simultaneously runs the risk of upsetting potential customers.
 
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Crowdfunding is dead and Epic killed it. If was thinking about running a kickstarter, I'd be pissed. Who's gonna back my game knowing I can fuck them over for a sweet bag of money from Epic at anytime and recoup any potential losses?
Maybe you can market your game by saying you'll never sell out to Epic. Of course, if you don't deliver on that promise the internet will fucking eat you alive.
 
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From Shenmue III forward, any crowdfunded title that chooses to go with Epic Games Store can be safe in the knowledge that Epic guarantee to pay for all refunds that may arise from potentially disgruntled consumers, should key availability not be an option.
What a scumbag move, the one from Shenmue was a dick move that took everybody by surprise, the shit was announced FOR STEAM, it had STEAM logos in the damn website, now every single project that decide to grab the bait of Epic will know that they are not going to reach the funding goal because the first question it always going to be "is going to be a Epic exclusive?"
 
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Crowdfunding is dead and Epic killed it. If I was thinking about running a kickstarter, I'd be pissed. Who's gonna back my game knowing I can fuck them over for a sweet bag of money from Epic at anytime and recoup any potential losses?

Pissing off gamers left and right, pissing off anyone who plans to start a kickstarter, long term distrust for game devs willing to sign up for their exclusivity, and Epic themselves has to be bleeding money from doing this. Who's gaining anything from their business decisions? Game devs on the verge of bankruptcy needing Epic to bail them out short term maybe? If the goal is to fuck over steam, it's obviously not working.
 

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Maybe you can market your game by saying you'll never sell out to Epic. Of course, if you don't deliver on that promise the internet will fucking eat you alive.
Yeah. Epic is so hated that saying ur game isn't epic exclusive (& holding that promise of course) could lead to even more people buying it.

Maybe even use "Fuck Epic". I would do it because well fuck epic.
 
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Who's gaining anything from their business decisions? Game devs on the verge of bankruptcy needing Epic to bail them out short term maybe?
It is actually most likely the little guys gaining anything from this deal. People are going to be pissed at you sure, but if that money is the difference between keeping the lights on at the office or working in your car, then yeah take the money. People are gonna be pissed but it's only one game and they might be able to save some goodwill by pushing that angle. Everyone else doing it can fuck off though
 

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Crowdfunding is dead and Epic killed it. If I was thinking about running a kickstarter, I'd be pissed. Who's gonna back my game knowing I can fuck them over for a sweet bag of money from Epic at anytime and recoup any potential losses?
Does anyone else want to claim they aren't being bankrolled if not completely run by the Chinese?
 

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Pissing off gamers left and right, pissing off anyone who plans to start a kickstarter, long term distrust for game devs willing to sign up for their exclusivity, and Epic themselves has to be bleeding money from doing this. Who's gaining anything from their business decisions? Game devs on the verge of bankruptcy needing Epic to bail them out short term maybe? If the goal is to fuck over steam, it's obviously not working.
Small indie devs and Kickstarter devs. Remember, the amount Epic is paying these indie titles is equivalent to their entire development budgets. Like, Phoenix Point was funded to the tune of 2.5 million, and that's what Epic paid for a year. They probably don't have those sweet 'Steam Loss Projections' thrown in there.

They want to try and starve the beast that's Steam. The problem with Epic is that they've made it fundamentally impossible. What they're doing right now is basically spitting at Steam users in the face, because they have an actual irrational hatred of it. Which I believe stems from Sweeny himself. There's literally 0 reasons to get Shenmue as an exclusive on Epic. None. Its a niche game with an obsessive audience. Its sold all it was going to sell. The only clear, conceivable reason that they bought it was to spite Steam. Remember, they don't see the consumer. They only see publishers and developers. They don't care about the consumer. They aren't doing a single thing to court Steam users over except try to forcibly drag them. And it keeps backfiring. Shenmue was a spectacular backfire, but its going to be in Epic store credit which I believe will backfire harder. Even if its in Epic store credit, Epic has to eat the money from people using it. Which probably means Shenmue is going to cost Epic far more than it will ever earn with it.

They haven't just pissed off gamers. They fucked themselves by securing the Outer Worlds. I honestly think this was their biggest fuck-up to date. Not for any consumer reason of for Steam, but for enraging Microsoft. They'd just bought Obsidian, they own the IP rights, but they didn't publish the game. Here comes Epic, giving Koch Media execs a big fat paycheck for the game on their store. Sweeny was so autistic he didn't see the consequences of this. Think about how much that stings. Epic let a competitor, Take 2, fuck them out of money. On a developer they JUST purchased. Whose game will be forced on an extremely unpopular platform and their dead store. Now Microsoft is all about embracing 'choice' and against exclusives, which is basically saying 'Fuck You' to Epic. Its even worse because its a big company, and smaller companies would look towards MS. I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed releasing games on Epic because of 'technical issues with the store' and being passive aggressive with them at how shit their storefront is. The fuck is Epic going to do about it?

Also the Halo Collection is probably going to fuck any exclusive Epic has secured in its face. So it basically made Steam more money. Yeah, that's why you think of the consumer.


Does anyone else want to claim they aren't being bankrolled if not completely run by the Chinese?
Fucktards and shills. I'll rape them so hard they'll become obsessed with homosexuality.

Also lol to anyone who really believes Tim Sweeny's claim he's 'saving PC gaming'. That nigger is either autistic or has early onset Alzhemier's and thinks its 2003. When he looks at Steam he sees the puke green interface and goes into seizures

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/07/ghostbusters_the_video_game_remastered_will_be_a_gamestop_exclusive_in_the_united_states

So, not only will "Ghostbusters: The Video Game - Remastered" be an Epic Games Store exclusive on PC, but it turns out the physical copies of the game are exclusive only to GameStop stores per a joint venture between the two companies.

...GameStop.

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EDIT: What exactly is your plan here, Epic? This is them throwing money into a literal dumpster fire for no other reason other than to dissuade physical/console releases and to move consumers towards PC, I realize that...but why GameStop!? If you're gonna do that, at least don't make it this obvious that neither you nor the developer you bribed give a fuck.
This legit pisses me off. They're grabbing re-masters and making them 'exclusive'. Not only is this ret.arded (Nobody with the original game is going to shell out for a remaster. And I guarantee modders will do a better job. I still have Ghostbusters on Steam, because they can't fully remove it from your library). So when the re-master comes out, I look forward to the superior, modded version. Also, why would I go to Epic for a remaster? Who the fuck is making these decisions? I only bought the Dark Souls remaster because it was like 4 bucks and I didn't want to mess with mods if I wanted to play again. It was pure convince. Remasters are convenient. Nobody is going to do the pain in the ass move of going to another store to get a remaster of a game they already own. This is so fucking dumb it boggles my mind.

Also Gamestop lol.

Maybe you can market your game by saying you'll never sell out to Epic. Of course, if you don't deliver on that promise the internet will fucking eat you alive.
What a scumbag move, the one from Shenmue was a dick move that took everybody by surprise, the shit was announced FOR STEAM, it had STEAM logos in the damn website, now every single project that decide to grab the bait of Epic will know that they are not going to reach the funding goal because the first question it always going to be "is going to be a Epic exclusive?"
'Is it an Epic Exclusive?' is basically the question asked of every single PC game that is currently getting a release. That's how bad of a reputation it has right now. Its not because people are excited for it, they want to know if they should avoid it or not.

Epic also promises to be less shady about securing exclusives. No faggots, that's the only way you can do it. Because no one wants to use your shithole of a store. I hope the UK slams your child gambling racket.
 

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'Is it an Epic Exclusive?' is basically the question asked of every single PC game that is currently getting a release. That's how bad of a reputation it has right now. Its not because people are excited for it, they want to know if they should avoid it or not.
That's why I say telling Epic to fuck off would make for great marketing. Imagine if Epic approached you and you publicly told them to get fucked, you'd be drowning in spite money.
 
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