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Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham are among 12 clubs who have agreed to join a new European Super League (ESL).

In a seismic move for European football, the Premier League clubs will join AC Milan, Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus and Real Madrid.

The ESL said the founding clubs had agreed to establish a "new midweek competition" with teams continuing to "compete in their respective national leagues".

It said the inaugural season was "intended to commence as soon as practicable" and "anticipated that a further three clubs" would join the breakaway.

The ESL said it also planned to launch a women's competition as soon as possible after the men's tournament starts.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Uefa and the Premier League condemned the move when the news broke on Sunday.

And speaking on Monday, he said the government was "going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn't go ahead in the way that it's currently being proposed".

Speaking to broadcasters on a visit to Gloucestershire, he said: "I don't think that it is good news for fans, I don't think it's good news for football in this country."

Critics say the move is being driven purely by money, would destroy domestic leagues and is against the integrity of the sport.

Unlike the Champions League, which teams must qualify for, the ESL would include the same 15 teams every year, with the remaining five qualifying annually.

World governing body Fifa had previously said it would not recognise such a competition, and any players involved could be denied the chance to play at a World Cup.

Uefa, Europe's governing body, reiterated that warning on Sunday when it said players involved would be banned from all other competitions at domestic, European or world level and could be prevented from representing their national teams.

After the ESL was announced, Fifa expressed its "disapproval" of the proposed competition and called on "all parties involved in heated discussions to engage in calm, constructive and balanced dialogue for the good of the game".

The ESL has sent a letter to Fifa president Gianni Infantino and Uefa boss Aleksander Ceferin issuing notice of legal proceedings in European courts designed to block any sanctions the two governing bodies may try enforce over the formation of the ESL.

In a statement, the ESL said: "Going forward, the founding clubs look forward to holding discussions with Uefa and Fifa to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new league and for football as a whole."

Why now?

There were talks in October, involving Wall Street bank JP Morgan, over a new £4.6bn competition that would replace the Champions League.

Uefa had hoped the plans for a new 36-team Champions League - with reforms set to be confirmed on Monday - would head off the formation of a Super League.

However, the 12 sides involved in the Super League do not think the reforms go far enough.

They said the global pandemic had "accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model".

"In recent months, extensive dialogue has taken place with football stakeholders regarding the future format of European competitions," they added.

"The founding clubs believe the solutions proposed following these talks do not solve fundamental issues, including the need to provide higher-quality matches and additional financial resources for the overall football pyramid."

What is the proposed format?

The league will have 20 teams - the 12 founding members plus the three unnamed clubs they expect to join soon, and five sides who qualify annually according to their domestic achievements.

Under the proposals, the ESL campaign would start in August each year, with midweek fixtures, and the clubs would be split into two groups of 10, playing each other home and away.

The top three in each group would qualify for the quarter-finals, with the teams in fourth and fifth playing a two-legged play-off for the two remaining spots.

From then on, it would have the same two-leg knockout format used in the Champions League before a single-leg final in May at a neutral venue.

The ESL said it would generate more money than the Champions League and would result in a greater distribution of revenue throughout the game.

What do the Super League leaders say?

Real Madrid president Florentino Perez, the first chairman of the ESL, said the new competition would "help football at every level".

"Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires," he added.

Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli has resigned from the Uefa executive committee and as chairman of the European Club Association (ECA), which had pushed the planned Champions League reforms.

He said the 12 clubs had "come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future".

It is understood all 12 clubs have resigned from the ECA and their respective representatives from the ECA board.

Manchester United executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward and Manchester City chief executive Ferran Soriano have also stood down from their roles at Uefa.

Manchester United co-chairman Joel Glazer will be a vice-chairman of the Super League.

He said: "By bringing together the world's greatest clubs and players to play each other throughout the season, the Super League will open a new chapter for European football, ensuring world-class competition and facilities, and increased financial support for the wider football pyramid."

Meanwhile, Borussia Dortmund have said they will not be joining and are committed to the ECA, along with fellow German side Bayern Munich.

What has been the reaction?

Essentially, widespread condemnation from anyone not involved in the proposed league.

Johnson said the plans would be "very damaging for football".

He said: "These clubs are not just great global brands - of course they're great global brands - they're also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fan base in their community.

"So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case. I don't like the look of these proposals, and we'll be consulting about what we can do."

France's President Emmanuel Macron welcomed French clubs refusing to join.

Uefa released a joint statement with England's Football Association, the Premier League, the Spanish Football Federation, La Liga and the Italian Football Federation, as well as Serie A, saying they would "remain united" in trying to stop the breakaway, using "all available measures".

The ECA said it "strongly opposed" the league, while the Football Supporters' Association said the plans were "motivated by nothing but cynical greed".

Paris St-Germain and former Manchester United midfielder Ander Herrera tweeted: "I fell in love with popular football, with the football of the fans, with the dream of seeing the team of my heart compete against the greatest.

"If this European super league advances, those dreams are over.

"I love football and I cannot remain silent about this, I believe in an improved Champions League, but not in the rich stealing what the people created."

Among ex-professionals, former Liverpool and Tottenham midfielder Danny Murphy told BBC Sport the plans "sound soulless", former Manchester United captain Gary Neville told Sky Sports he was "absolutely disgusted", while former team-mate Rio Ferdinand said on BT Sport that the proposals will hurt fans the most.

'The ultimate betrayal'

Fan groups associated with all six English clubs involved are strongly opposed to the Super League.

Liverpool supporters' group Spirit of Shankly (SOS) said it was "appalled" by the decision of Fenway Sports Group, the club's US-based owner.

In a social media post, SOS said: "FSG have ignored fans in their relentless and greedy pursuit of money. Football is ours, not theirs. Our football club is ours not theirs."

Chelsea Supporters' Trust called the move "unforgivable" and said its members and "football supporters across the world have experienced the ultimate betrayal".

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust called the club's agreement to join "the death of Arsenal as a sporting institution".

Manchester City's Official Supporters Club said the move showed "those involved have zero regard for the game's traditions", adding it was "determined to fight against this proposed Super League".

The Manchester United Supporters' Trust had earlier said the proposals were "completely unacceptable" and the ESL "goes against everything football, and Manchester United, should stand for".

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust said the ESL was a "concept driven by avarice and self-interest at the expense of the intrinsic values of the game we hold so dear".

Analysis

BBC Sport's Simon Stone

If there was any lingering doubt over the desire of these 12 clubs to launch their own competition, it has been removed by their statement - reinforced by each of them through their own media platforms.

So many questions remain unanswered.

Chiefly, can they actually get their plan over the line given the strong resistance from Uefa and the leagues and associations of the countries concerned?

But beyond that, who will the other three clubs be to make up the 15 founding members? Will Bayern Munich and Paris St-Germain eventually join up? And how will the other five clubs be decided?

These discussions will be fascinating. But right now, the clubs who have signed up to the European Super League have a public relations battle to turn around perceptions - because initial reaction has been overwhelmingly negative.

 

Techpriest

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An absolute fucking joke. The best thing about the football leagues is relegation, it keeps ownership always wanting to win and means the league is dynamic. None of the founders can be relegated from this league, so in a situation where all five 'additional qualifying' teams get one through five, number five is relegated from the league. What a fucking awful system. This is designed specifically for the owners to try and make a fuckload of money without having to distribute any of it back into the league. Fuck them, I hope this crashes and burns.

Also, they've killed the English National team through this, great job guys.
 

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am i getting this right? they want to make a league where the founding members can never drop out regardless of performance? sounds like an extremely blatant display of self-serving corruption and excessive greed.
That is correct. For all the bullshit FIFA pulls, they at least don't try and torpedo various national leagues for money - like the ESL is trying to do right now. This structure is a fucking joke, and a few of the founding teams are real fucking jokes. Arsenal and Tottenham have never won a champion league cup and are really only in this because they're pissy they might miss the champions league. The other four premier league clubs are giants, sure, but their fan organizations are ripping them to shreds, and for good reason. This whole thing is a mistake, and the wrong way to try and get FIFA/UEFA to be held accountable, especially when they control international play.
 

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FIFA and UEFA are already planning on kicking this shit to the curb right from the get-go so expect this thing to be a massive disaster for everyone who is involved in it.
 

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If people actually looked deeper into this the league would replace the champions league instead. /sp/ is having a meltdown and are blaming the Americans for this.
So it's a shittier champions league, with a shittier format, and an even more blatant attempt to make money. And yes, this is partly to be blamed on Americans. The thing that American sports owners have cashed in on over the last 30 years especially is that even a really shitty professional team makes you money as an owner - as long as relegation isn't a thing. It makes owning a franchise a no brainer, and something that you can expect a return on investment in no matter what the case. Currently the set up of the European Football leagues means that ownership has to actually give a shit to maintain top spot. They have to seek out good managers, and attract good players. They can't get talent forced contractually to play for them if they want to turn pro through a draft.

Meanwhile, teams and franchises like the New York Jets, Cleveland Browns, Minnesota Timberwolves, Baltimore Orioles, etc. can perform like absolute garbage for decades and only be competitive once in a blue moon and still have access to the biggest possible market and crazy large money. Ownership is also not incentivized to give a shit about the fans even more than usual. Dan Snyder of the Washington [NAME YET TO BE DETERMINED] is a wonderful example of this, having driven away around 50% of the fanbase and still making money off the franchise as he nickels and dimes them. The ESL has a twenty year period before any of the founders can be relegated, and is offering more money than the championship league to its members. None of that money is going to end up in lower level clubs further down the pyramid. It's all going to stay right there, a giant circle jerk for profit - despite what they claim, I see their chances of getting their estimated broadcasting rights money as rather overoptimistic - they'll be lucky to get 60% of that, IMO. Four of the founding 12 teams of the ESL haven't ever won a Championship League trophy.

Also when it comes to the owners of these clubs, several are also owners of American sports franchises. Arsenal, Manchester United, and Liverpool all have owners who also own American sports franchises. This isn't too much of a surprise. They want to maximize their profits. Fuck these guys the hardest. Liverpool is owned by Fenway Sports Group, which also owns the Boston Red Sox. Arsenal is owned by Stan Kronke, a notorious piece of shit in the NFL world who moved the Rams from Saint Louis to LA, because St. Louis told him to stuff it when he demanded a multi-billion dollar new stadium at their expense, and got away with it due to contract language. He also owns several other american franchises (Colorado Avalanche and Denver Nuggets being the biggest) through loopholes using a holding company and his wife. Manchester United is owned by the Glazer family primarily, and otherwise by an array of investors - for whom the idea of a closed shop league is very appealing.

Surprisingly, Shahid Khan isn't getting in on this, at least not yet. I'd have thought that he'd have jumped on this first, but guess not.
 

Shining Wit

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If people actually looked deeper into this the league would replace the champions league instead. /sp/ is having a meltdown and are blaming the Americans for this.
Under their proposal, it would. But the fit being thrown by UEFA and the national leagues could see them expelled or sanctioned. Expelling them would be financial suicide, they're the teams Sky are paying the big bucks for, not Sheffield Utd vs Wolves. So it would massively impact the league system

The reason yanks are getting the blame is of the PL teams involved (which in turn are half of the announced teams), only Spurs are british owned and three (Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool) are american owned.
The real vitriol is from the no relegation involved. In the CL, there's a real risk of not getting qualified every season and you fight tooth and nail to make it. Occasionally another team can make it and pursue a dream. Fulham made it to the Europa League final in 2010, for instance. But take this season for example, if it ended now, the CL teams for the PL are Man City, Man Utd, Leicester and West Ham. Liverpool and Chelsea would be in the EL and Spurs would need Chelsea to win the FA cup to get in. Arsenal would miss europe entirely. In the proposed Super League, none of the founders would have to keep working to keep their place in the premier competition. This shit is based on american competitions where relegation is no threat

Amusingly the CL changes, designed to appease these enititled wankers, would have guaranteed 2 clubs who failed domestically entry, based on club coefficient
 

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I just wish it replaced the domestic season. I'd rather watch top European games every week than be stuck with Newcastle vs Southampton on a Saturday night.
I like lower level soccer. It's fun to watch.

Under their proposal, it would. But the fit being thrown by UEFA and the national leagues could see them expelled or sanctioned. Expelling them would be financial suicide, they're the teams Sky are paying the big bucks for, not Sheffield Utd vs Wolves. So it would massively impact the league system

The reason yanks are getting the blame is of the PL teams involved (which in turn are half of the announced teams), only Spurs are british owned and three (Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool) are american owned.
The real vitriol is from the no relegation involved. In the CL, there's a real risk of not getting qualified every season and you fight tooth and nail to make it. Occasionally another team can make it and pursue a dream. Fulham made it to the Europa League final in 2010, for instance. But take this season for example, if it ended now, the CL teams for the PL are Man City, Man Utd, Leicester and West Ham. Liverpool and Chelsea would be in the EL and Spurs would need Chelsea to win the FA cup to get in. Arsenal would miss europe entirely. In the proposed Super League, none of the founders would have to keep working to keep their place in the premier competition. This shit is based on american competitions where relegation is no threat

Amusingly the CL changes, designed to appease these enititled wankers, would have guaranteed 2 clubs who failed domestically entry, based on club coefficient
It's entirely an attempt to avoid having to be competitive long term and just soak up the current profits. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The fans though, aren't happy. They're going to see a drop in profit from ticket sales that's not in their calculations, I'm sure of it.
 

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I wouldn't abandon the other leagues, but the Super League would be a seperate league and not a European competition.
It's going to be a seperate league just because of how fucking badly they did this. It's a joke of a league with joke rules that's even more blatantly about the money than the others. I hope this explodes in their faces. There's already players threatening to leave the clubs over this.
 

Kornheiser

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They will have to expand the league to get more people on board. The options excluding the French and German teams for now will have to be the 2 Glasgow teams, the Dutch top three teams, the top 2 Ukrainian teams and some wild card entries.
 

Malcolm Tucker

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It's going to be a seperate league just because of how fucking badly they did this. It's a joke of a league with joke rules that's even more blatantly about the money than the others. I hope this explodes in their faces. There's already players threatening to leave the clubs over this.
The clubs will no doubt back down, but it could've been fun. Making sure there was promotion/relegation would be key, but that goes against what the founding clubs want.
 

Shining Wit

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It's entirely an attempt to avoid having to be competitive long term and just soak up the current profits. They want to have their cake and eat it too. The fans though, aren't happy. They're going to see a drop in profit from ticket sales that's not in their calculations, I'm sure of it.
If the money being quoted is right, i feel that matchday income will become more minor based on tv and advertising deals they can get. This is all based on the idea is their target audience is the world and thats the lucrative market. A champions league without the rabble daring infringe on their stage, or beating them to entry. Interested to see what criteria the invites would be based on

I wouldn't abandon the other leagues, but the Super League would be a seperate league and not a European competition.
It'd basically replace the european comps if the proposal continues. They described it as the Super League in the week, domestic at weekend, with the 20 teams mixed into 2 leagues, then the final stage taking the top placing sides and having a knockout stage like the CL.
With that as a direct competitor, the CL is dead. EL might survive but the money in those competitions will plummet and no longer truly be the EL. Also it'll basically be Bayern and PSG slugging it out every year
 

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