Experiences with dog breeders? - A good doggo is hard to find.

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Pure breed dog businesses just seem ripe for abuse and cesspools for inbreeding. I grew up always having mutts found in abandoned public areas and they've always seemed so much less prone to health problems despite essentially being "street trash" while still having lovely personalities.

I'll admit to being incredibly biased since asides from the above, the only breeder I've known was an old woman that absolutely did not take proper care of her puppies or properly disclose their medical backgrounds.
 
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Corydoras

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Pure breed dog businesses just seem ripe for abuse and cesspools for inbreeding. I grew up always having mutts found in abandoned public areas and they've always seemed so much less prone to health problems despite essentially being "street trash" while still having lovely personalities.

I'll admit to being incredibly biased since asides from the above, the only breeder I've known was an old woman that absolutely did not take proper care of her puppies or properly disclose their medical backgrounds.
I have the opposite bias, ha... One of my coworkers has a shelter dog and it has some kind of genetic disposition to stomach issues. She always needed to go home earlier because her dog threw up on everything. Another friend of mine has a shelter dog that is so anxious she needs to put it in puppy daycare or else it just destroys everything. It has a very anxious personality and doesn't like doing 'dog' things, like playing, going on walks etc. Their latest shelter dog also has pretty poor socialization. Neither are 'bad' dogs, but they would need a loooot of work to be considered 'normal.'

On the other hand, my Grandma kept these huge ass dogs for the longest time. She's barely 5 ft tall and these dogs must have outweighed her by 100lbs easy, but they were extremely polite on-leash and were just so well behaved. If I knew my dog was going to grow up to be the size of a ride-on mower, I probably wouldn't risk getting it from the pound. IDK.

Then again, found this on a breeder's page...

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Screening I get but don't give me the James Bond ball treatment because I want a dog, friendo.
 

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It's kind of sad in a way, because it seems like there are a lot of pedigree breeders who are older (and sometimes mentally unstable) women. There's not a lot of incentive for younger people to get into breeding, so it's possible certain breeds will either start going 'extinct' or degrade as the only people maintaining them aren't really concerned with good gegenetics.
The problem is the Kennel Clubs actively squeeze out younger people who want to get into the game. The handlers are all old as fuck elitists who look down on you if you haven't been training dogs since you were born. The same goes for judges. It's how they keep their bullshit standards for a breed that are unhealthy for the dog and encourage inbreeding which leads to defects.
 

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Due to the popularity and desirability of the dogs, many golden breeders are pretty bugfuck. Especially if any of their dams or sires have bred with recent AKC champions or award winners. But, I really think that there are only two things that truly matter when you're looking for a breeder to buy from.
1) Can they reliably tell you about the litter before they're born?
2) Do they raise their young puppies well?

Meaning, first can the breeder tell you in detail about the expected puppies: temperament, physical characteristics, genetic ailments, life expectancy, etc. This is especially important if you're looking for an English Cream, lazy breeders will create fucking miserable, misbegotten mongrels trying to get the coat the "right" color or the head "square" enough, it's vile. And second do they actually like their dogs: Do their breeding dogs have nice places to stay, play, live and sleep? Do they have multiple generations of their own dogs? Do they breed for positive traits and select to breed against negative or harmful ones? What does the whelping box look like? Do they do sensory training with the puppies? Do they have kids or other people around tp help socialize? Does the breeder have mandatory or optional ownership classes? If you're gonna pay that much, get a dog that's actually worth it.
 

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We all know what you did.
no you don't. you all know what you've been told that i did which isn't what i did. What i did do has nothing to do with this thread, so just piss off, you ridiculous reprobate who believes lies and acts on them.
remember when you traumatized that poor dog so bad by fucking her and making her live in squalor that the city had to put her down?

making up insane shit again, maggot? you're one severely mentally ill person who is a danger to himself and others who really needs to be chemically straight jacketed.
 

Getwhatyou

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Dog breeders are crazy. I have two rare dogs. The contract that was signed was 9 pages long. Specifying food, housing, location of animal, health testing, reasons the animal will be legally uplifted

Shit be serious. However when you can have 10puppies at 4000usd each its not really a game any longer.

My boy is a stud and I charge 900usd for a straw of semen. But that comes with hip scores, DNA testing and honors that have been won in the ring. However thats cheap and I will usually ask for preference of purchase of one of the pups if not free.
 

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I don’t have too much to add, except the purebred dog community was one I did a bit of time in. Yeah, it’s nutso on occasion.

One alternative I don’t think was posted was obtaining a dog through breed rescues. Depending on your choice of doggo, they can be super good, if you’re willing to jump through the same hoops of essentially adopting a child. My dog was a rescue, and through their help, I was actually able to find his breeder and lineage (a lot of working lines in him, to my pleasure). Our breed is just small enough to keep track of, big enough to not worry about inbreeding/outcrossing for a while.

Always take a gander at the breed clubs, which is where you’ll find the most reputable breeders, but still keep your feelers out. Nothing is perfect if it’s an institution run by humans.
 

The Dude

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When I got my Great Weimar my experience with the breeders was awesome. Great Weimars are a designer hybrid of the Great Dane and Weimaraner breeds. It happened to be that the breeders we went through were one of the very first to develop the breed. They were incredibly helpful in teaching us about the breed and answering any questions they had, even letting us come over to meet the parents since they were in the same state as us. It was clear by dealing with them that breeding these dogs wasn't about profit, but because of a deep love and passion for the breed. We are actually part of a group of other Great Weimar owners who mostly got their dogs through the same breeder or family of the breeder who likewise breed Great Weimars because we all love the breed and had such great experiences with the breeders.
 

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When I got my Great Weimar my experience with the breeders was awesome. Great Weimars are a designer hybrid of the Great Dane and Weimaraner breeds. It happened to be that the breeders we went through were one of the very first to develop the breed. They were incredibly helpful in teaching us about the breed and answering any questions they had, even letting us come over to meet the parents since they were in the same state as us. It was clear by dealing with them that breeding these dogs wasn't about profit, but because of a deep love and passion for the breed. We are actually part of a group of other Great Weimar owners who mostly got their dogs through the same breeder or family of the breeder who likewise breed Great Weimars because we all love the breed and had such great experiences with the breeders.
Designer breeders seem like such a mixed bag. Some of them seem like they just have dog X and dog Y, and they're creating puppies without any breed goals. Others seem really great, and they hold their 'designer' breeds to the standards of purebreds, but without the...attitude? Maybe there's more mutual respect, because you're both kind of interested in the same 'outsider' dog. It's pretty frustrating too, because I'd love more legit designer breeders to have access to pedigreed stock, so they could work toward breeding the ultimate service dog or the ultimate family dog or whatever without worrying as much about the constraints of a breed standard.
 

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When I got my Great Weimar my experience with the breeders was awesome. Great Weimars are a designer hybrid of the Great Dane and Weimaraner breeds. It happened to be that the breeders we went through were one of the very first to develop the breed. They were incredibly helpful in teaching us about the breed and answering any questions they had, even letting us come over to meet the parents since they were in the same state as us. It was clear by dealing with them that breeding these dogs wasn't about profit, but because of a deep love and passion for the breed. We are actually part of a group of other Great Weimar owners who mostly got their dogs through the same breeder or family of the breeder who likewise breed Great Weimars because we all love the breed and had such great experiences with the breeders.
So these designers breeds. Did you get hip scores and DNA checks from the parents?
 

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Designer breeders seem like such a mixed bag. Some of them seem like they just have dog X and dog Y, and they're creating puppies without any breed goals. Others seem really great, and they hold their 'designer' breeds to the standards of purebreds, but without the...attitude? Maybe there's more mutual respect, because you're both kind of interested in the same 'outsider' dog. It's pretty frustrating too, because I'd love more legit designer breeders to have access to pedigreed stock, so they could work toward breeding the ultimate service dog or the ultimate family dog or whatever without worrying as much about the constraints of a breed standard.

The breeders we went through definitely had specific goals when creating the Great Weimar, basically wanting to make a great companion animal for a variety of families with all the best traits of each donating breed, with none of the negatives (like gigantism in the Danes), and would be happy doing anything from lounging on the couch to hiking the back trails of the mountains. Some owners have even trained their Great Weimars to be gun dogs, since Weimaraners can be both retrievers and pointers. They started with champion purebred dogs who came from bloodlines that were proven healthy and free of any of the issues each breed is known for.

So these designers breeds. Did you get hip scores and DNA checks from the parents?

We didn't check those out. We basically went off testimonials of people who went through the same breeder and had their dogs for several years. I got my dog just as a companion, and he's been an excellent companion. Aside from a minor food allergy he's been perfectly healthy. I never planned on breeding him, so he's been fixed.
 

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I remember years back, after one of our chihuahuas had to be put to sleep due to complications, we decided to get a new puppy.

One of the places we looked at was giving two chihuahua puppies so we decided to check it out.

The place was filthy, the dogs looked unhealthy, and the breeder’s son was a tranny.

We got out of there pretty fast.

It was sad, the puppies were cute, but they also didn’t look healthy. We did see the dad and my parents joke about him being a “porn star” due to his girth.
 

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