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Null

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So there's a problem with people telling lies on the Internet. One of my oldest gripes about the Lolcow forum is that people will try to sell me their thread.

"Dynastia! Abbo fucker extraordinaire! Potential Pedophile! Hates meat pies!"

All I really want thread titles to be is the most common or well known name a person goes by. It's cleaner, more concise, better for search engines, smaller in tab titles, etc., though I acknowledge why people do this. There's a lot of threads here now, and people want theirs to stand out. For that reason, I am probably going to (again) reorganize the forum and write a custom mod to add subtitles, so we can have the best of both worlds. As for right now, this is fine, but it's causing other problems.

People are now overselling threads. One of the most blatant examples is when a woman was caught selling other people's beastiality videos to dogfuckers. She lied about being into beastiality and tricked people into buying other people's videos from her. In her thread, however, she was called a dogfucker although the entire point of her drama was that she never fucked a dog. This is horribly disingenuous to the people reading your thread. You've said one thing to get clicks, but you've presented the complete opposite of what has happened. You're now a shittier version of Gawker.

This thread is a good example of people using the magic word "pedophile" to get clicks.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/willm3luvtrains-jehovahs-witness-trainsperg-possible-pedophile.17151/

If you're going to sell this person to me, the title is "Jehova Witness, Trainsperg, Nickelodeon Fetishist". You don't need to just outright calling the guy a pedophile, the work speaks for itself. The fascinating thing about this guy isn't that he's a "possible pedophile", it's that he draws Timmy Turner pissing in crayon. Like, you're not doing yourself a favor here by trying to spark indignant rage. You've somehow made it even less interesting.

What makes Nick Bate such a contemptible person isn't just the fact he is mentally ill and a sexual deviant. It's what he says, what he does, and how he says it and how he does it. Being a pedophile is quite honestly one of the least interesting things about Nick Bate, what makes his drama so fucking good is that he gloated for years about molesting a girl in his family and got burnt for it.


I'm contemplating how I want to deal with the "Used Car Salesman" problem. The most immediate thing I can ask of people is to not put "possible" anything in their titles. State facts, say what you have and not what you think. If I click a thread and I don't see what you're telling me, I'm going to be pretty pissed.
 

Clown Doll

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I've noticed some Lolcow thread titles to be intentionally factually dishonest or go the extra mile to be very abrasive(such as calling them a Fat Fuck or Psychotic Bitch without the cow actually being that fat or psychotic) to grab the attention of the lolcow and while there's a degree of merit to that, if the cow isn't noticing your effort to reel them in, it'd be good to edit the thread title to something more factually correct or reflect why they're a lolcow.

It's possible to edit the thread's title without staff intervention if you're the thread OP, or if you feel that the OP of a thread started by someone else needs editing for whatever reason(for example if a Lolcow started their own thread and they need to be edited), you can report them and state in the report how you'd like them to be changed.
 

AnOminous

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The constant use of "pedophile," in addition to making the thread itself less interesting, dilutes its effect so that it does not have the impact it does when it should, for instance with a genuine monster like James Terry Mitchell or someone who really deserves their past exposed, like Nick Nyberg. People who are also, provably, pedophiles, and in JTM's case, that's the only relevant thing about this violent predator.
 

chimpburgers

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Good points. Sometimes I do also think the titles here are meant to be jokes in themselves or directed at annoying the lolcow in some way. I've been guilty of that and I apologize if that was causing problems. There are also times where people have wanted a thread to be called a certain way and I caved in too much.

I still think that some titles are good to have for the more obscure cows that no one's heard about. It's what Smutley was saying a while ago, why would he have any motivation to read a thread on someone's he's unfamiliar with if there's nothing in the title to summarize who they are and what they do.
 

Yellow Yam Scam

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How about a tag, similar to halal, for pedocows that requires mod approval? Because I agree: pedophilia should be central to their shtick or at least provide an explanation for their notoriety: Nyberg, Mitchel, Bate, and ShadowJoe are good examples.

Concentrating on the word "pedophile" misses the point - this thread is about trying too hard to make people look bad when they don't need any help.
 

Clown Doll

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or directed at annoying the lolcow in some way..
I don't have a bone to pick with this in general, as I liked the ADF forum thread tags and in some cases like with Brad Watson the thread titles actually upset him. As per your own thread titles, well, I understand that you were trying to get Jenny McDermott's attention by making the thread title abrasive(Horsefaced Tranny), but I thought Jenny was a woman from birth? Apologies if she's actually a tranny. Putting up things to posture at lolcows can sometimes work really well and it's the thread maker's own judgement call, but for example advertising them as a tranny might make some people go like "Oh, another tranny wow , not interested!". Not something I personally take issue with, so it's more of an aspect to consider and make a judgment call on on your own.
 

chimpburgers

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I don't have a bone to pick with this in general, as I liked the ADF forum thread tags and in some cases like with Brad Watson the thread titles actually upset him. As per your own thread titles, well, I understand that you were trying to get Jenny McDermott's attention by making the thread title abrasive(Horsefaced Tranny), but I thought Jenny was a woman from birth? Apologies if she's actually a tranny. Putting up things to posture at lolcows can sometimes work really well and it's the thread maker's own judgement call, but for example advertising them as a tranny might make some people go like "Oh, another tranny wow , not interested!". Not something I personally take issue with, so it's more of an aspect to consider and make a judgment call on on your own.
I'll change it soon and also because the title was getting long. That was supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek in joke because that was a common reaction when someone looks at her for the first time and it was around the 70 something page that more people gave me suggestions for the title so I felt like giving in at the time.

With her, she saw the thread as a fan page in some way and would make screencaps from it for a while and make references to this site in other ways and get salty about it.
 

Clown Doll

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You don't have to if you don't think it's necessary. I was personally just using it as an example of possible confusion. The amount of people who are going to dismiss the thread based on that title alone is probably going to be negligible if there even are any The thread titles are often changed to reflect developments and in-jokes in the thread and sometimes a little humor in the thread title is funny. Veteran threadmakers like you can usually call it pretty well, my thoughts were to express this as a guideline for people who would be sitting on the fence when making new thread titles.

I can see the frustration over titles, however just labeling someone a "horrorcow" or "schitzocow" isn't enough. A brief 5-10 word description seems harmless. Nulls idea for subtitles is an excellent idea

Yeah, thread descriptions are definitely a good idea, the labels pretty much tell nothing about the lolcows.
 

The Fool

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I say ban the use of "pedophile" in the title and the possibly-up-and-coming subtitle section altogether. Like Null said it's literally just clickbait to attract A-Logs who will proceed to look past all of their actually funny behavior and just say they're a sick fuck who should be raped and murdered etc etc. It's very repetitive.
 

Karen Riley

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I understand where Null is coming from with this. I mean if you're reading up on a lolcow and see people saying they're a pedophile then that automatically colours your opinion on them even if the people aren't being honest in their assessment.

I don't think it's a great idea to word filter pedophile or something though, someone say for example, Nick Bate, is a pedophile undeniably and deserves to be labelled as such but anybody claiming a cow is a pedophile when they're not should just be made to change their title/subtitles because it's mislabeling and like I say damaging
 

The Fool

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Well I'm not suggesting a complete black and white filter on pedophiles, just, unless literally all they do is rape kids, have the mods deny the thread, since lolcow threads usually need to be approved. That's all I'm suggesting, just more quality control.
 

anephric

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This was something that bothered me but figured it bothered ONLY me so I didn't say anything.

Threads should contain a description of why the person is already worthy of attention, not the possibility of. Otherwise, we'll end up with people using crappy Buzzfeed style "Ten reasons he's a lolcow, number 6 will change your life!" style awfulness.

Innocent until proven lolcow.
 

Petronella

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I agree, and I'd also like to add: the first post in a thread should give actual examples of how this person is a lolcow, and not just a list of links to their social media, etc. with the promise of "they're really lulzy, trust me!" It makes it look like you didn't care enough to go do research on the 'cow, and if you didn't care enough, why should the reader?
 

Xerxes IX

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Limiting the pedophile thing to actual confirmed pedos is definitely a good idea, but it raises a question: should the pedophile thing be limited to people who have molested/wanted to molest actual children like the above mentioned James Terry Mitchell jr, Nick Bate, and the other Sick Nick (Nyberg) or also people who for example are interested in sexual fan works of underaged characters?

People like to argue if people who just like underage fictional characters are pedos or not, so I'm wondering where the line is here.
 
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