Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism - A vain (and autistic) attempt to improve Tranny Sideshows

[Kiwi & Cow]

Autists need to be euthanized or at least removed from society.

We'll start with you.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

How insightful, literally listen to yourself you sound like some /pol/ tier Edgelord rn, I would understand if more people made ntelligent posts arguing their anti-trans beliefs Aka @Marvin. I wouldn’t agree but it would be a lot more respectable than the same politically incorrect shitposts several hundred times over. C’mon we can do better than this. The farms ain’t a chan board.

calling it /pol/ doesn't make it less right. Intersectionality, radical feminism, queer theory postmodernism, critical race and critical gender theory etc , call it what you will, all all tied at the hip and are at the root of the trans issue, is strictly a problem caused by mainstreaming of far left ideology and it doesn't matter how much terfs and gays want to deflect on that or want to act like it wasn't real intersectionality idpol just like they pretend every failed communist state is not real communism, people can still know where to trace it back to. Sorry if you are a fag and somehow not attached to genderqueer theory and don't have a shrine for Foucault in your child rape dungeon, appeals to "not all X" start falling mute after a while

We'll start with you.

sure, fuck this gay earth tbh

 

[Ona Quest]

calling it /pol/ doesn't make it less right. Intersectionality, radical feminism, queer theory postmodernism, critical race and critical gender theory etc , call it what you will, all all tied at the hip and are at the root of the trans issue, is strictly a problem caused by mainstreaming of far left ideology and it doesn't matter how much terfs and gays want to deflect on that or want to act like it wasn't real intersectionality idpol just like they pretend every failed communist state is not real communism, people can still know where to trace it back to. Sorry if you are a fag and somehow not attached to genderqueer theory and don't have a shrine for Foucault in your child rape dungeon, appeals to "not all X" start falling mute after a while


sure, fuck this gay earth tbh

Regardless of the fact that trans ideology got its start in academia and is considered "leftist", you keep making the mistake that terfs, feminists, and gays are all one homogenized group supporting the same ideology, when they're not. In fact, the fundamentalist and essentialist components within trans ideology, indicate that it is more of a conservative ideology than a liberal one. I get that you're frustrated by anyone and anything that is remotely different from you, but all those groups you mentioned are not all the same.

 

[Crabouse-united]

In fact, the fundamentalist and essentialist components within trans ideology, indicate that it is more of a conservative ideology than a liberal one

Gonna put you on the spot on this one. Please explain how did you come to this conclusion.

 

[Ona Quest]

Gonna put you on the spot on this one. Please explain how did you come to this conclusion.

Fundamentalist conservative traditions have extremely strict gender roles, which are represented by traditional stereotypes of men being aggressive protectors etc and women being sensitive nurtures etc. Trans ideology uses similar fundamentalist stereotypes of man and woman to define their trans identity. Transwomen, for example, love dresses, make up, heels, and being sexually subservient sluts who get euphoria from benevolent misogyny. Transmen think that not being interested in that fundamentalist female stereotypes makes them men. Also, the fact that transing is a means of correcting homosexuality by making gays appear straight in public. Real life example, look at Iran and its stance on homosexuality, family dynamics, and transgenderism.

Another aspect of the trans movement that appears fundamentalist, is forcing people to not question or criticize the trans movement or trans people. It's like religious fundamentalists forcing people to embrace the Bible and to not question or criticize the word of God.

It's literally the same thing, but with a different mask.

 

[jumboseafood]

sure, fuck this gay earth tbh

Drink the hemlock edgelord

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

are all one homogenized group supporting the same ideology

ah at last i see the light, it was never real marxist idpol, got to support the good kind on intersectionality! it was those right wings all along! they sabotaged perfect leftist ideology it so it wouldn't work why does this keep happening

 

[gang weeder]

Regardless of the fact that trans ideology got its start in academia and is considered "leftist", you keep making the mistake that terfs, feminists, and gays are all one homogenized group supporting the same ideology, when they're not. In fact, the fundamentalist and essentialist components within trans ideology, indicate that it is more of a conservative ideology than a liberal one. I get that you're frustrated by anyone and anything that is remotely different from you, but all those groups you mentioned are not all the same.

They are more like sects within a broader over-arching religion. Like denominations of Christianity. There are differences in the details, sure, but they ultimately all worship at the altar of secular progressivism. And calling trannyshit "conservative" is quite something lol.

Fundamentalist conservative traditions have extremely strict gender roles, which are represented by traditional stereotypes of men being aggressive protectors etc and women being sensitive nurtures etc. Trans ideology uses similar fundamentalist stereotypes of man and woman to define their trans identity. Transwomen, for example, love dresses, make up, heels, and being sexually subservient sluts who get euphoria from benevolent misogyny. Transmen think that not being interested in that fundamentalist female stereotypes makes them men. Also, the fact that transing is a means of correcting homosexuality by making gays appear straight in public. Real life example, look at Iran and its stance on homosexuality, family dynamics, and transgenderism.

Another aspect of the trans movement that appears fundamentalist, is forcing people to not question or criticize the trans movement or trans people. It's like religious fundamentalists forcing people to embrace the Bible and to not question or criticize the word of God.

It's literally the same thing, but with a different mask.

Trannies will also claim though that gender doesn't exist so their ideology is completely incoherent in that respect. The explanatory variable which best fits what they are doing is simple subversion of proper social norms. If it subverts moral behavior, it is good. Trannydom is one of the most extreme expressions of this as it goes into total full-blown denial of reality in pursuit of destroying moral standards. And in some cases trannies might have some specific sexual motivations like autogynephilia, ability to invade women's spaces, etc. Thus it is anti-conservative with a dash of good ol' degeneracy.

You are absolutely right in that it can sometimes function similarly to a fundamentalist religion, though. Sort of like how Democrats and Republicans are both political parties with many similar methods and modes of operation, but often towards very different goals.

 

[Ona Quest]

They are more like sects within a broader over-arching religion. Like denominations of Christianity. There are differences in the details, sure, but they ultimately all worship at the altar of secular progressivism. And calling trannyshit "conservative" is quite something lol.


Trannies will also claim though that gender doesn't exist so their ideology is completely incoherent in that respect. The explanatory variable which best fits what they are doing is simple subversion of proper social norms. If it subverts moral behavior, it is good. Trannydom is one of the most extreme expressions of this as it goes into total full-blown denial of reality in pursuit of destroying moral standards. And in some cases trannies might have some specific sexual motivations like autogynephilia, ability to invade women's spaces, etc. Thus it is anti-conservative with a dash of good ol' degeneracy.

You are absolutely right in that it can sometimes function similarly to a fundamentalist religion, though. Sort of like how Democrats and Republicans are both political parties with many similar methods and modes of operation, but often towards very different goals.

"Altar of secular progressivism" sounds like a loaded term, but I understand where you are coming from. And I do think there is a sort of zealotry amongst some academic leftists. However, I feel that the tranny movement is not progressive, so much as permissive.

I agree with you that trannyism is a subversion of "proper social norms," on some level. Butler in her seminal Gender Trouble, talks about how tranyism is just an active and performative subversion of traditional heteronormative roles/ norms. However, I would like to argue that the "proper norms" are mostly based on traditional values, and it is from these traditional conservative values that trannys and the queers build their identities from. While queeroid trannies might reject the values of traditional conservatives, because they come from those environments, they end up reproducing those ideologies, just from a mirrored perspective, because that's all they know and all knowledge they aquire is filtered through those experiences.

It might be anti-conservative in name, but it still reproduces a type of conservatism.

 

[LurkNoMore]

Fundamentalist conservative traditions have extremely strict gender roles, which are represented by traditional stereotypes of men being aggressive protectors etc and women being sensitive nurtures etc. Trans ideology uses similar fundamentalist stereotypes of man and woman to define their trans identity.

Obviously people in an environment that still has lingering influences of past ideologies are gonna be influenced by it. That and the fact gender roles are really sex roles and the byproduct of hundreds of millions of years of evolution.

Transwomen, for example, love dresses, make up, heels, and being sexually subservient sluts who get euphoria from benevolent misogyny.

And so do 99% of bio women, as well. Nothing traditional about a woman wanting to wear a dress, wanting to get fucked or having your date pay for dinner. Plenty of non-traditional women do all three every day.

Transmen think that not being interested in that fundamentalist female stereotypes makes them men.

Given what your gonna say later, I'd like to point out most if not majority of transmen are gays. One wonders how somebody who was happily gay ends up transitioning... It can't be seeking acceptance from homoabhoric parents or peers given modern acceptance rates of homosexuality. Can't be any possible benefits from being one sex over the other. Perhaps there's a voice in their head that tells what they are doing is wrong and they want to fix that.

Also, the fact that transing is a means of correcting homosexuality by making gays appear straight in public. Real life example, look at Iran and its stance on homosexuality, family dynamics, and transgenderism.

Its interesting that you have to run to a religious theocracy on the opposite of side of the world to make this point. The problem for you and everyone else that raises this comparison is the fact that modern transgenderism in the west is nothing like that practiced in Iran or any other third world hellhole.

Modern western transgenderism isn't about making the gays acceptable to a conservative society. Its the exact opposite in fact. You can still be a fag in the west without horrific surgery. There is no religious police that will forced to either die or be mutilated.

Another aspect of the trans movement that appears fundamentalist, is forcing people to not question or criticize the trans movement or trans people. It's like religious fundamentalists forcing people to embrace the Bible and to not question or criticize the word of God.

Not questioning the movement is more leftist than rightist in the west. Especially America where the founding bedrock of rightism is a bunch of dudes who did nothing but argue.

"Altar of secular progressivism" sounds like a loaded term, but I understand where you are coming from. And I do think there is a sort of zealotry amongst some academic leftists. However, I feel that the tranny movement is not progressive, so much as permissive.

Literally the exact same thing. Progressivism has been nothing but allowing people to do as they please for a while now, if not since the beginning. It was progressive to tolerate Dave and Steve's "relationship" as perfectly normal. It was progressive to tolerate Dave and Steve's desire to get married. It was progressive to tolerate Dave and Steve's want to adopt. Now it's propressive to tolerate Bill's desire to be Anna and Brenda's desire to be Aiden and all the horrific shit that's involved. The current crop of new bigots will die put like the old crop did. In a decade all this shit will be normal and acceptable as regular gay is now.

I agree with you that trannyism is a subversion of "proper social norms," on some level. Butler in her seminal Gender Trouble, talks about how tranyism is just an active and performative subversion of traditional heteronormative roles/ norms. However, I would like to argue that the "proper norms" are mostly based on traditional values, and it is from these traditional conservative values that trannys and the queers build their identities from. While queeroid trannies might reject the values of traditional conservatives, because they come from those environments, they end up reproducing those ideologies, just from a mirrored perspective, because that's all they know and all knowledge they aquire is filtered through those experiences.

Literally all roles/norms are from or rejectsions of traditional gender roles, because TGRs are just really sex roles older then the species in some cases. Nothing any feminist theorist or queer pioneer can think up of doesn't in some way mirror traditional gender roles. So long as humans are humans it will be this way. Butler and every other retard feminist can't accept reality. They helped create this monster, just as they did the feminist and gay ones. Only difference now is they don't like this new one. There is nothing "preformative" about hacking off your genitals. There is nothing "preformative" about demanding everyone accept you as something your clearly not.

It might be anti-conservative in name, but it still reproduces a type of conservatism.

Man a in dress claiming to be a woman is reproducing conservativism... Sure, and pigs can fly.

 

[gang weeder]

"Altar of secular progressivism" sounds like a loaded term, but I understand where you are coming from. And I do think there is a sort of zealotry amongst some academic leftists. However, I feel that the tranny movement is not progressive, so much as permissive.

I agree with you that trannyism is a subversion of "proper social norms," on some level. Butler in her seminal Gender Trouble, talks about how tranyism is just an active and performative subversion of traditional heteronormative roles/ norms. However, I would like to argue that the "proper norms" are mostly based on traditional values, and it is from these traditional conservative values that trannys and the queers build their identities from. While queeroid trannies might reject the values of traditional conservatives, because they come from those environments, they end up reproducing those ideologies, just from a mirrored perspective, because that's all they know and all knowledge they aquire is filtered through those experiences.

It might be anti-conservative in name, but it still reproduces a type of conservatism.

It's a full-scale inversion of traditional (i.e. derived from evolutionary psychology and thus fundamentally correct) moral standards, on one of the most fundamental levels (gender roles, and by extension reproduction and family formation, are the cornerstone of human society). It's not a coincidence that trannies of both "genders" end up sterile and unable to procreate or even have anything approaching normal sexual function, assuming they go all the way with "bottom surgery." Even fags and dykes approximate it better than they do.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Wasn't there a difference between transsexuals and transgenders (aka the zombie woke ones)?

 

[gang weeder]

Wasn't there a difference between transsexuals and transgenders (aka the zombie woke ones)?

I think a "transsexual" is/was simply a crossdresser who enjoys roleplaying as the opposite gender but isn't so deluded as to claim they actually are that gender.

 

[Ona Quest]

I think a "transsexual" is/was simply a crossdresser who enjoys roleplaying as the opposite gender but isn't so deluded as to claim they actually are that gender.

Transvestite is a crossdresser
Transsexuals are the old-school dysphorics now called trans medicalists
Transgender is whatever you identify as, you don't need dysphoria, and it doesn't matter if you transition

 

[mickey339]

Some time since I commented but I hope you'll do.

Let me start by thanking you two guys for exemplifying the stereotype that traditionalists don't actually value the labor that women do.

it's simple helping someone and that individual gets no real economic entitlement or shares in that business

Also lol, housework being work. Obviously you never had to work hard in your life, or you pretended to clean Daddy's 1 square kilometer palace by yourself.

Note that traditionalists will kick and scream that women are more valued in the home but fitting into this role will entice only their scorn.
Feminists for all their lunacy or not have written great volumes of the invaluable work women put into society all throughout history which was promptly written out by traditionalists, like these two.

Have you completely forgotten how this whole idea started inside of post WWI german academia by socialists and perverts?

Academics aren't the ones driving pharmaceutical companies to sell drugs to weird kids. The pharmaceutical companies are the ones driving pharmaceutical companies to sell drugs to weird kids and the free market facilitates it. It's not the leftist academics but the conservatives and libertarians who wants to destroy the welfare of the people.

they also quit more and engage in more part time work later down in life

Exactly.