Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism - A vain (and autistic) attempt to improve Tranny Sideshows

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Who's to blame for the Trans Epidemic?

  • Jews

    Votes: 67 17.3%
  • Leftism

    Votes: 90 23.3%
  • The Patriarchy

    Votes: 11 2.8%
  • Gays

    Votes: 18 4.7%
  • Porn

    Votes: 103 26.6%
  • The Industrial Revolution and It's Consequences

    Votes: 98 25.3%

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When its election day, and they look between the progressive pro-trans candidate(s) and the conservative anti-trans candidate(s), TERFs are always voting for the progressive, aren't they?

You haven't been lurking on TERFnet. Plenty of formerly-leftie women voting conservative precisely because of this issue. Personally, I will never forgive progressives for making me defend Rand Paul.

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All are symptoms of the same (((disease))).

It is like a set of dominos.

Jew bankers make leftist philosophers, who poison the society with leftism. Feminism, communism, transvestites, antiracists, wellfare niggers, pedos all spring from this well.

It is a many headed hydra, and the last knight that could have slain it failed and ate his pistol in Berlin.

It is here to stay until the society it infect itself gets auswitzed by China.
 

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Feminism kind of split a while ago, don't know when, between what we now know as libfems and radfems.

Libfems are: sex-positive (encourage casual sex), say "sex-work is empowering", are loosy-goosy with gender etc., complain about dumb shit like manspreading, men just need to cry more!!! etc. This is mainstream, and has been dominant for 20+ years if I had to guess. I do think that this type of feminism paved the way for trannies in some respects, but I don't think it's the only factor.

Radfems: care about sex-based reality, are anti-porn, anti-prostitution, cares about reproductive rights, medical misogyny, rape prevention, etc. This used to be dominant, now it is not. Obviously there are some extremists in this group who are political lesbians, female separatists, and think every man is evil, but I'd say they are the minority. The reason we still need it is because if our rights have been brought up to question before, it can happen again.

The way I see it, in aligning with feminism as a woman, I just care about my sex's specific issues. I don't see the problem with that, nor do I see a problem with men doing the same with issues that effect their own sex disproportionally (suicide rates, longer jail sentences, male-on-male violence, etc.)

Anyway, liberal feminism is retarded, useless, and surely did contribute to the troon storm.
 

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The TERFs were instrumental back in the 2010's in building the social justice golem in order to combat the "sexist gamer bros". It's just that they're now upset because the golem they helped create turned against them. Hell, most modern TERF arguments still heavily rely on social justice and progressive bullshit - they haven't learnt from their mistake of using these arguments, they're just bitter that a couple 6'3" gorillas in dresses took their own tools and used them to take over the narrative.

By all accounts, based on the criticisms that older radfems had with men, a troon should theoretically be the perfect state for a male. They always wished that men behaved more like women, after all, women are simply better than those "dirty fucking scrotes" - well, here you go radfems, the closest you'll ever get to what you wished for. They spent years whining about "toxic masculinity" and "the patriarchy", yet they're horrified that the male feminists that orbited them took their criticism of toxic masculinity to heart, and decided to get rid of their masculinity all together to appease them.

Plus, a ton of those old radfems ended up backing the troons, in order to keep their position on the social justice totem nice and secure. Well, until the troons asked them to suck the girldick and they refused. And that's to say nothing of all the secretly-fujo radfems back in the Tumblr days that themselves transitioned into men purely due to their crippling yaoi addictions.
Never heard of a terf who raped kids or wanted to groom them into chopping off their genitals lol.
I've heard of a few cases of both, although they're particularly rare. With the latter though, it's often just feminist serial killers chopping off the genitals of their young male victims before killing them.
I was thinking about it and TERFs actively support the troon agenda, don't they?
When its election day, and they look between the progressive pro-trans candidate(s) and the conservative anti-trans candidate(s), TERFs are always voting for the progressive, aren't they?
Whenever you see some politicians promoting troon nonsense, just keep in mind that they're getting all the TERF votes. TERFs will never vote for an anti-trans candidate, they will always vote progressive.
"Vote blue no matter who" is a hell of a drug. TERFs are still progressives at the end of the day, and have bought the narrative that all conservatives want to put them back in the kitchen and force them to have a dozen kids. They may whine and threaten to vote for the conservatives if their politicians don't stop backing the troons, but like an abused housewife, they always come crawling back once election day rolls around.
 

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"Vote blue no matter who" is a hell of a drug. TERFs are still progressives at the end of the day, and have bought the narrative that all conservatives want to put them back in the kitchen and force them to have a dozen kids. They may whine and threaten to vote for the conservatives if their politicians don't stop backing the troons, but like an abused housewife, they always come crawling back once election day rolls around.
That's the real sad thing about it, people haven't ultimately learned that their worldview was what set the groundwork for today's policies. One of the most mind numbing examples of this was when that californian asian spa incident happened where some weird troon went to the female bathouse and exposed himself to children. One of the ladies there was this asian chick that brought her kid to the location and decided that enough is enough, the problem was that in the same video that she was denouncing troonism she stated multiple times that she was a californian progressive and a registered democrat, now I don't know if that was just a cheeky way of covering her ass or completely oblivious that her actions is what lead to that guy invading a family space.

It's the same reason why I'll never trust JK Rowling or the rest of the feminists on TERF Island to not politically betray us in the future if the T question has a solution, she was completely fine with that weird dumbledore is gay stuff, hermione being black and SWEEDEN YES tier migration policies, who's to say 10 years down the road we won't have to argue again why the wage gap is a myth, why college campuses aren't rape centrals worse than somalia and other trite shit?
 

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Another thing about TERFs, is that the have the same /pol/ mentality of "once I show people enough statistics, videos and local news articles of [protected group] being bad, they'll change their mind and everyone will face the reality about that group"
TERFs are progressives, so you'd think they'd know that doesn't work on a significant scale.
 

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I'm a tiny, tiny minority- I think feminism has always been about Marxist hags making mentally ill ahistorical claims about MEEEEEEN, even back during the first wave. How quickly society forgot that suffrage wasn't universal during that time, or that it wasn't "denied to WIMMIN" specifically. There was already agitation for changing suffrage laws at the time. The feminists just bombed some mailboxes, killed some dogs, and claimed what they've always claimed: problems of the human condition are targeted at women specifically. Or invented by men. Or that women should have rights, and men should have responsibilities.

Fuck, even the pissing and moaning they do about COULDN'T GET A CREDIT CARD WITHOUT THE HUSBAND'S PERMISSION! ignores the fact that the man was legally responsible for her finances. But note that the complaining was never "I can pay for my own shit, thanks", it was "DIRTY EVIL MEN KEEPING US IMPRISONED"

Feminism is a bullshit hate cult for hags with daddy issues and always has been. I'm not shocked in the slightest they birthed troons. Nor am I surprised they turned around and started bitching about men for it, their favorite pastime.
 

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I'm a tiny, tiny minority- I think feminism has always been about Marxist hags making mentally ill ahistorical claims about MEEEEEEN, even back during the first wave. How quickly society forgot that suffrage wasn't universal during that time, or that it wasn't "denied to WIMMIN" specifically. There was already agitation for changing suffrage laws at the time. The feminists just bombed some mailboxes, killed some dogs, and claimed what they've always claimed: problems of the human condition are targeted at women specifically. Or invented by men. Or that women should have rights, and men should have responsibilities.

Fuck, even the pissing and moaning they do about COULDN'T GET A CREDIT CARD WITHOUT THE HUSBAND'S PERMISSION! ignores the fact that the man was legally responsible for her finances. But note that the complaining was never "I can pay for my own shit, thanks", it was "DIRTY EVIL MEN KEEPING US IMPRISONED"

Feminism is a bullshit hate cult for hags with daddy issues and always has been. I'm not shocked in the slightest they birthed troons. Nor am I surprised they turned around and started bitching about men for it, their favorite pastime.

I don’t think it’s Marxist. It’s Marxist-lite because it has a zero sum view of the world. But feminism and by extension gay rights were a way for wealthy women and homosexuals elites to solidify their power. Most of these movements even the civil rights movements were probably never meant to be universal. Some participates wanted to solidify their class position and privilege. Also, feminism would have probably happened due to the fact that a lot of the upper class men were either dead or fighting in WW1.
Also the problem with troons is that it’s never high status or high value males that troon out. It’s always the socially awkward/weird looking guy or the guy that was stuck in the middle of the corporate ladder.
 

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I don’t think it’s Marxist. It’s Marxist-lite because it has a zero sum view of the world. But feminism and by extension gay rights were a way for wealthy women and homosexuals elites to solidify their power. Most of these movements even the civil rights movements were probably never meant to be universal. Some participates wanted to solidify their class position and privilege. Also, feminism would have probably happened due to the fact that a lot of the upper class men were either dead or fighting in WW1.
Also the problem with troons is that it’s never high status or high value males that troon out. It’s always the socially awkward/weird looking guy or the guy that was stuck in the middle of the corporate ladder.
Feminist dogma is, in many places, literally just Marxist class warfare bellyaching with "bourgeoisie" madlibbed out with "men".

It just happens to make that bitching even stupider, because men and women aren't social classes, nor are they so alienated from one another in everyday life that all of the OPPRESHUNZ babble makes a lick of sense.
 

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I was thinking about it and TERFs actively support the troon agenda, don't they?
When its election day, and they look between the progressive pro-trans candidate(s) and the conservative anti-trans candidate(s), TERFs are always voting for the progressive, aren't they?
Whenever you see some politicians promoting troon nonsense, just keep in mind that they're getting all the TERF votes. TERFs will never vote for an anti-trans candidate, they will always vote progressive.
I was very close to voting for Trump last election because Biden was talking about repealing Title IX and protecting gender identity and not sex. Ultimately I went for Biden as I really was not a fan of how Trump acted in office and with foreign affairs, but I honestly regret my decision and have been voting conservative or progressive that doesn't support troons in my local elections. A few American radfems I know are going to vote red these upcoming elections, and if you want to see what women in the UK think just check out Mumsnet.
The TERFs were instrumental back in the 2010's in building the social justice golem in order to combat the "sexist gamer bros". It's just that they're now upset because the golem they helped create turned against them. Hell, most modern TERF arguments still heavily rely on social justice and progressive bullshit - they haven't learnt from their mistake of using these arguments, they're just bitter that a couple 6'3" gorillas in dresses took their own tools and used them to take over the narrative.
This thread annoys me because most of you don't know the big differences between TERFs and liberal feminism and just use the terms interchangeably. And I don't mean this in a No True Scotsman way - they are categorically different. It's like if you mixed up and conflated Koreans and Japanese. TERFism wasn't even popular when GG happened, it was too small in the public eye to make a difference, and radical feminist wouldn't give a shit about it because there's simply bigger shit to worry about. At this point most of you are just trying to find a reason to shit on anything that has feminism in it's name.
By all accounts, based on the criticisms that older radfems had with men, a troon should theoretically be the perfect state for a male. They always wished that men behaved more like women, after all, women are simply better than those "dirty fucking scrotes" - well, here you go radfems, the closest you'll ever get to what you wished for. They spent years whining about "toxic masculinity" and "the patriarchy", yet they're horrified that the male feminists that orbited them took their criticism of toxic masculinity to heart, and decided to get rid of their masculinity all together to appease them.
This is actually such a retard thought that Im convinced you want to live up to you name. The whole point of radfeminism is that men and women are different and women need spaces for themselves without men. Believing that "men must behave like women" is stereotyping women's behavior, something that troons do and radfeminists do not want. Notice how for decades most radical feminists are gender nonconforming and don't "act or dress like a woman", because doing so is enforcing gender. Radfeminists want men, as a class, to stop systemically treating women, as a class, like shit. Masculinity ain't the fucking problem, unless you think masculinity is beating the shit out of women. The problem is thinking that women must cater to and center men in their lives and believing that women cant live fulfilled lives without men but think that men can without women.
 

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I can't agree with this male vs female, cause it's outdated. The further we go, the less we need such things as physical strength and that is actually the core difference between the sexes.
This is inaccurate. This only really applies to office drones. Large sectors of the economy depend on strength and those are industries devoid of women. A lineman or directional drill rig operator is the backbone of the economy and they require strength and the “boots on the ground and get your hands dirty” nature of work will never go away, unless you want to do away with electricity or the internet.
I was thinking about it and TERFs actively support the troon agenda, don't they?
When its election day, and they look between the progressive pro-trans candidate(s) and the conservative anti-trans candidate(s), TERFs are always voting for the progressive, aren't they?
Whenever you see some politicians promoting troon nonsense, just keep in mind that they're getting all the TERF votes. TERFs will never vote for an anti-trans candidate, they will always vote progressive.
TERFs are just one category of progressives who progressives don’t love back. First it was working class whites, then it was union labor, then just any man who has a penis and wants to keep it, and now it’s women who don’t want men in dresses to fuck them. What makes TERFs special that we have to focus on them and not the other progressives that have been discarded? This is something that I have yet to hear TERFs address. Mostly it’s just them whining that they don’t have enough privileges. I’ll take the TERF cause seriously when they actually care about the equal rights they claim to be for and not just scrounging for more gibs and privileges.
 

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men, as a class
women, as a class
See? There's the Marxism.

Men "as a class" don't treat women "as a class" like shit. Radfems just exaggerate their personal problems into things that ALL WOMEN face, sprinkled with an unhealthy obsession with rape rape rape rape rape rapity rape RAAAAAAPE and complaining about rich CEOs.

Every radfem survey I've seen about rape makes things like "persuasion" into clear cut rape. Besides, if you think women need a space away from men? Honey, it's only weird perverted men who try to get into women's spaces. Feminists -cannot- respect men's spaces in the slightest. Complain for spots of your own when you're not trying to nag your way into the boy scouts, men's barbershops, etc. Feminism has never been about equal rights. It's about entitled crazy women demanding the entire world give them whatever they want, and consequences are either for men or "oppression".
 

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Men "as a class" don't treat women "as a class" like shit.
They do, and provably so. Almost every single culture in modern human history has considered men to be more valuable than women. From men getting inheritances over women, women being forced/pressured to be the homemakers, girls kept away from school by their families and militant religious groups, to helpless baby girls being murdered by their families. I can assure you every woman you know has been afraid of walking out at night because they're afraid of another man, not another woman, causing them harm. Sure, men can be afraid of that too, but that man is likely to be on equal strength to his attacker, so thus he is less likely to be attacked. Women are not. Every woman understands avoiding that relative that hugs you for too long, walking home at dusk checking your back, and increasing expectations and preparations to be a good mother instead of living your own life. And the thing is, most of those problems that I states don't directly affect me. I live in the west. But I still care about them because I know damn well that if I happened to be born in another family I could be a fucking child bride.

Radfems just exaggerate their personal problems into things that ALL WOMEN face, sprinkled with an unhealthy obsession with rape rape rape rape rape rapity rape RAAAAAAPE and complaining about rich CEOs.
Okay, what are those personal problems radfems are projecting onto other women? Do you think that most women do not experience sexual harassment, felt that they are lesser because they are a woman, or have been discouraged to do certain things because they were women? This is how I can tell you're male. You don't realize how bad men act towards women because most women don't tell you. The men in my family do not know that my cousin was raped, but the women sure do because women are the ones who trust other women the most and know how to console her best. You really just aren't aware of how bad it can be, and when someone tells you otherwise it shatters your reality so the only thing you can do is mock and deny. Just like troons, you'll never understand what it is like to be a woman.

The patriarchy exists because men are physically stronger than women. In more brutish times, raw strength was seen as a way to achieve and get things done and became a reflection of success, so naturally families put their resources in men. I bet that if nature decided that the sexual dimorphic strength in humans would favor women, we would not be having this conversation because we would be talking about meninists instead
 

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Almost every single culture in modern human history has considered men to be more valuable than women.
The exact opposite is true.
And the radfem lense on history is dumb precisely because it stubbornly ignores this reality.

Historic tribes and societies typically...
  • considered their women extremely valuable (and thus worthy of care and protection).
  • considered their men disposable (with exceptions for some high-status men like lords/chieftains).

And with good reason:
For most of its existence, humanity lived on the edge of extinction, and the key metric of whether your tribe would survive was the rate of childbirths. With diseases, famines, harsh winters, etc. already taking their toll, and women often dying during pregnancy or childbirth, no tribe could afford to needlessly risk additional harm to its women.

Some aspects of what this reality meant for men:
  • Men working themselves into an early grave in back-breaking labor in order to provide food and shelter for women and children.
  • Men getting slaughtered en masse on the battlefield in order to protect women and children from enemies.
  • Men sacrificing themselves during catastrophes ("Women and children first on the lifeboats!" etc.)

All of that is willfully ignored by the radfem view on history.

It's true that this societal protection had a flip-side for women, in that it caused society to discourage women from doing anything that could cause them to die early or to not bear children. In practice, this meant fewer liberties for women.

But it's irrational to only look at this flip-side without the context, and downright delusional to then conclude that the average man must have had a better life than the average woman, or that the "fewer liberties for women" aspect must have been the result of men getting together in some sadistic conspiracy to "oppress women". Yet that delusion is exactly what the whole body of radfem ideology is built on.
 
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Historic tribes and societies typically...
  • considered their women extremely valuable (and thus worthy of care and protection).
  • considered their men disposable (with exceptions for some high-status men like lords/chieftains).
If that were the case, then we would see that families would invest their inheritances to women instead of men, as they are protected and likely to survive. This would be the same for education as well. Why do we not see this?
For most of its existence, humanity lived on the edge of extinction, and the key metric of whether your tribe would survive was the rate of childbirths. With diseases, famines, harsh winters, etc. already taking their toll, and women often dying during pregnancy or childbirth, no tribe could afford to needlessly risk additional harm to its women.

Some aspects of what this reality meant for men:
  • Men working themselves into an early grave in back-breaking labor in order to provide food and shelter for women and children.
  • Men getting slaughtered en masse on the battlefield in order to protect women and children from enemies.
  • Men sacrificing themselves during catastrophes ("Women and children first on the lifeboats!" etc.)
All of that is willfully ignored by the radfem view on history.

Men are more likely to work physical jobs because they are physically stronger than women. If women were stronger than men, physical jobs would be dominated by women instead, even if women could give birth. Men do not die for women and children in war, they do it because their government has demanded them too. Men do not sacrifice themselves for women during catastrophes. "Women and children first" is popularized by the Titanic, but is not the standard, as women and children have a lower survival rate of shipwrecks than men. Its also a quite humorous to me that you're using that argument, as it is the same argument that was used against women's suffrage in the UK: if men were willing to sacrifice themselves for women, women didn't need the right to vote.
Humanity only needs to protect its women while a woman is pregnant because she is vulnerable during pregnancy. Outside of that, she is useless We see this today from girls in Africa are refused an education since all they need to know is how to be a good wife/mother to how women are pressured to start families while men are not as much.
Radfems are very much aware of it. I think that its more useful to you to think that they haven't considered it.
It's true that this societal protection had a flip-side for women, in that it caused society to discourage women from doing anything that could cause them to die early or to not bear children. In practice, this meant fewer liberties for women.

But it's irrational to only look at this flip-side without the context, and downright delusional to then conclude that the average man must have had a better life than the average woman, or that the "fewer liberties for women" aspect must have been the result of men getting together in some sadistic conspiracy to "oppress women". Yet that delusion is exactly what the whole body of radfem ideology is built on.
The context is there, and its quite easy to see that the average man had more liberties than women. If you think that it doesn't necessarily mean that men had better lives than women, I would encourage you to actually research the lives of women in different countries and the expectations that were held to them. Radfems don't believe that all men conspire to make women's lives hard. There's a quite the number of bad ones that make it shit, but its the complicity from other men that seal the deal. Men do nothing about it and just argue about how women have it much better when a woman brings up grievances, just like whats happening right now.
And I can assure you that this heighted constant state of anxiety you live in is being taken advantage of. You are a useful idiot.
Tell that to the girls that are killed by men while simply going out for a jog in the morning. But I'm fine, thank you. I carry.
 

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The context is there, and its quite easy to see that the average man had more liberties than women. If you think that it doesn't necessarily mean that men had better lives than women, I would encourage you to actually research the lives of women in different countries and the expectations that were held to them. Radfems don't believe that all men conspire to make women's lives hard. There's a quite the number of bad ones that make it shit, but its the complicity from other men that seal the deal. Men do nothing about it and just argue about how women have it much better when a woman brings up grievances, just like whats happening right now.

Tell that to the girls that are killed by men while simply going out for a jog in the morning. But I'm fine, thank you. I carry.
You really shouldn't be carrying as you're clearly paranoid to an insane degree.

In regards to men having more liberties: yes, but also no. You brought up inheritance earlier. Are you aware that for most of western history it was mandatory for a family to care for unmarried women in the family? As in usually required by fucking law?
 

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You really shouldn't be carrying as you're clearly paranoid to an insane degree.

In regards to men having more liberties: yes, but also no. You brought up inheritance earlier. Are you aware that for most of western history it was mandatory for a family to care for unmarried women in the family? As in usually required by fucking law?
woman: "im going to take reasonable measures to protect my life as women are more likely to be a target from men because of a lack of strength. so ill level the playing field with a weapon"
man: "honey youre too hysterical to be holding that, someone will protect you when the time comes"
 

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Women are the most spoiled, privileged, protected group of humans in modern society, and this isn't a new development. Every bit of "oppression" is either at womens' request or exists as an (admittedly patronizing) protection. Women didn't inherit because it was legally required for men to provide for women. Why the hell would you give money to someone who is legally encouraged to selfishly spend all of it on herself? But redeems don't care about this; all they see is gimme gimme gimme, gimme. I want money, gimme. Radfems don't give a rat's ass about the reasons why things are they way they are. They default straight to WIMMIN ARE OPPRESSED, because it fits their man-hating worldview.

If you want to play this "men and women are classes of people" horseshit, you'd be very disappointed to find that psychological studies show that both men and women prefer agreeing with women to a very high degree of confidence. Because human psychology is predisposed to treating women with more respect, more compassion, and gentler kid gloves than men. But I'm equally positive you'll take that result and use it to bitch about "patronizing women", because radfems are always always the victims of everything. If women are lagging behind, it's because men hate women. If men are lagging behind, it's because men suck, or because men are patronizing women.

It's never because radfems are paranoid bundles of mental illness with massive egos competing with the size of their victim complexes. It has to be because the world is constantly discriminating against you.

The women in my life don't constantly complain about sexual assault. It's not because they "don't trust me" as a man, it's because they're not psychotic harpies unhealthily obsessed with rape rape RAPE rape RAAAAAPE rape RAPE RAPE RAAAAAAAPE like feminazis are. The vast majority of women don't identify as feminists, because you're mentally ill, not because you have a special wimmin's way of seeing the world that's more correct than theirs.

Don't get me wrong, Troons are mentally ill too. But radfems hating them is a case of a stopped clock being right twice a day- radfems hate troons because they're such virulent psychotic man-haters that they hate anything that's ever had a penis, not because they're perverts. They think being a pervert is an intrinsic part of being male, because they're mentally ill themselves.