Feminism -

[Trickie]

Im not a stats guy. If there was this huge market, it would be filled. Thats just how it works.

Meh, i never got into pc games so yeah....i only am referring to people who purchase. I doubt a game company would cater to people who dont pay anyways.

A lack of corporate interest in a certain demographic is proof of just that: a lack of corporate interest in a certain demographic. This is an industry whose biggest players do not even include females in their focus testing, who are busy trying to make their game into the next call of duty. The market in the far more visible AAA games isn't a problem with a lack of female interest, but a lack of marketing to females. Smaller devs and indie devs are doing just fine including female gamers in their target demographics. Again, most of these big wigs and marketing gurus don't come from a background in video games or even software, they come from a background in pizza restaurant chains and other packaged services. This isn't like a lot of other industries, and it's been very slow to evolve.

 

[BT 075]

We really shouldn't let feminism change our games. Here's a good argument on why it's bad.

@homerbeoulve knows best

 

[Venusaur]

There are plenty of female gamers out there, there always have been. I've been one since 1992. However, video games have always been seen as "a boy thing" andthe industry has been very slow to awknowledge the the fact that there are female gamers out there. Now, I have no problem playing male protagonists, it's what's usually been the norm in games, starting with beginner stuff like Super Mario. But, I am a girl, and I like having the option to play as my gender.

Let's go for a really basic example. For the first Pokemon games, all you could play was a boy. But then, suddenly, Gamefreak gave us the option!

And it was appreciated. I don't have to play a girl trainer, but I can, and I do!

Mass Effect's Shepard is another example of a protagonist that's fun to play as a male and a female. My FemShep was a badass chick that blew stuff up and had a romance with an alien, I loved roleplaing her everystep of the way. Then you have games like Elder Scrolls and Fallout, all the recent ones give you the option to play as a female and it doesn't detract at all from the game play. It's fun to have the option to play my gender if I want, and they've all been franchises that I've rewarded with money.

I see a lot of guys on the internet react to seeing girls asking for more "representation" with a knee jerk reaction of "OH MY GOD! They're taking over stuff that they gave no right to!!!". That's not the case at all. I don't mind playing a dude in a game; I felt like a bamf playing Gordon Freeman with Alyx by my side. But again, it's just nice to have the option.

I genuinely don't understand why it's become such a hostile issue. These are things we play for escapism and fun.

 

[exball]

We really shouldn't let feminism change our games. Here's a good argument on why it's bad.

@homerbeoulve knows best

I was fucking offended when that cis bastard ate a sammich.

 

[Chikinballs]

A lack of corporate interest in a certain demographic is proof of just that: a lack of corporate interest in a certain demographic. This is an industry whose biggest players do not even include females in their focus testing, who are busy trying to make their game into the next call of duty. The market in the far more visible AAA games isn't a problem with a lack of female interest, but a lack of marketing to females. Smaller devs and indie devs are doing just fine including female gamers in their target demographics. Again, most of these big wigs and marketing gurus don't come from a background in video games or even software, they come from a background in pizza restaurant chains and other packaged services. This isn't like a lot of other industries, and it's been very slow to evolve.

Exactly. Money. If its pizza or games, you do what sells. A niche market was found, and it was filled by indie companies. Nuff said.

Again, best of luck. Talk in dollars, they will hear you. I promise.

 

[Surtur]

Exactly. Money. If its pizza or games, you do what sells. A niche market was found, and it was filled by indie companies. Nuff said.

Again, best of luck. Talk in dollars, they will hear you. I promise.

Are you ignoring the part where 46% of game sales go to women?

 

[Chikinballs]

http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/201...o-where-are-the-female-video-game-characters/



46% of video games are purchased by women. Nearly half of the money is coming from women. Ball is in your court dude.

Then they are spending wrong. If you continue to buy things against what you are interested in, there is no motivation for change.

That being said, I put no faith in stats, never have. They are easily skewed to whoever wants to use them.

 

[Bgheff]

Then they are spending wrong. If you continue to buy things against what you are interested in, there is no motivation for change.

That being said, I put no faith in stats, never have. They are easily skewed to whoever wants to use them.

JFC. I think you guys should just stop, this is clearly pointless.

 

[Chikinballs]

Are you ignoring the part where 46% of game sales go to women?

Nope. Just happened to click one thing before another.

Again, best of luck, blah blah money etc.

 

[exball]

How dare women play MY video games those are meant for boys! Excuse me while I go watch My little pony.

 

[Surtur]

Then they are spending wrong. If you continue to buy things against what you are interested in, there is no motivation for change.

That being said, I put no faith in stats, never have. They are easily skewed to whoever wants to use them.

Or maybe they have no choice? Maybe they love the games, but would like more women leads, but creative decisions are made by suits stuck in a 1950's mentality? And I am sure if the numbers supported your position you would be all over them.

 

[Chikinballs]

Or maybe they have no choice? Maybe they love the games, but would like more women leads, but creative decisions are made by suits stuck in a 1950's mentality? And I am sure if the numbers supported your position you would be all over them.

You assume dead wrong. I have seen soooooo many stats stacked so many different ways in my life, each saying the opposite of the other....i gave up on them. This isnt a ploy or me dismissing things i dont like. It is me not considering the current science of information collection to be valid in any way on any topic.

 

[Surtur]

You assume dead wrong. I have seen soooooo many stats stacked so many different ways in my life, each saying the opposite of the other....i gave up on them. This isnt a ploy or me dismissing things i dont like. It is me not considering the current science of information collection to be valid in any way on any topic.

I have actual data, all you are spouting is "my opinion says otherwise." Show me proof that this is not a valid set of data.

 

[Christ-Chan]

You assume dead wrong. I have seen soooooo many stats stacked so many different ways in my life, each saying the opposite of the other....i gave up on them. This isnt a ploy or me dismissing things i dont like. It is me not considering the current science of information collection to be valid in any way on any topic.

Wait, no collection of information is valid in any topic? Doesn't that invalidate all of empirical science and all of history and medicine and everything else?

 

[BT 075]

Women should not play games. If there's one thing we learned from Keurig, it's that water and electronics don't mix.
You cannot play games when you're supposed to feed me, clean my house and bear me children. Fucking feminazis killing my blaze...

 

[littlebiscuits]

You assume dead wrong. I have seen soooooo many stats stacked so many different ways in my life, each saying the opposite of the other....i gave up on them. This isnt a ploy or me dismissing things i dont like. It is me not considering the current science of information collection to be valid in any way on any topic.

You assume dead wrong. I have seen soooooo many stats stacked so many different ways in my life, each saying the opposite of the other....i gave up on them. This isnt a ploy or me dismissing things i dont like. It is me not considering the current science of information collection to be valid in any way on any topic.

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For your information, the Fact of Aspergers being different from Autism and of it trying to steal the light is of MY Own Idea. I will NEVER conform to such a blasphemous link of any kind between the two.
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—Chris, to Vivian, 15 January 2010.

 

[exball]

Stop trying to be people women.

 

[Trickie]

JFC. I think you guys should just stop, this is clearly pointless.

But we're having fun! Don't you like fun?

 

[BT 075]

Women playing games is offensive to me as a man. Why do they like playing with Pikachu better then playing with my ? What is this madness...

I'm a nice guy and they only want to play games and make sandwiches for bad boys.

 

[Chikinballs]

I have actual data, all you are spouting is "my opinion says otherwise." Show me proof that this is not a valid set of data.

If you choose to rely on stats, be my guest. I dont research stats. I know they can say anything someone needs them to say. Have you never come across stats in direct conflict with each other, and both citing seemingly credible sources? Are you young? I have seen it time and time and time again.

Again, best of luck. I have no power in games. Email your stats to those who do.