Fiber optic vs. Copper wire, which is better? -

Sam Losco

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Fiber is slowly pusing out more because it's more capable than copper. We are getting close to the limits of what we can do with copper and fiber opens up more options.

It's easier to tap copper than fiber, but they aren't going to physically tap your cable to listen in to your connection. This isn't the days of analog phone tapping anymore. Your ISP can (and probably will without even asking for a warrant) a mirror of your traffic. It's easy peasy and you won't even know it's happening.

You do know that the glowies already have the undersea fiber lines "tapped" where they hit land right? So unless all your traffic stays domestic, they can already see everything like that.
 

McTavish

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Because the call quality over those copper lines sounds like a distorted tin can compared to ones over fiber, in part because the data is now moving at the speed of light instead of an electrical impulse along an insulated wire.
Also the government subsidizes companies laying fiber infrastructure and there's nothing telcos like more than handouts.
The reason it sounds so terrible is that Old fashioned copper telephone wire only carries 3.3kHz for voice, where human hearing goes up to around 16 kHz
 

McTavish

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Copper data speeds have now reach their limits from 300 baud modems to 56k modems and then ADSL/VDSL. If governments did a full FTTH rollout properly, they have the fibre optic and then technological advances can keep the fibre data speeds increasing for maybe decades without changing out the fibre optic just upgrade the endpoints.
 

Sicklick

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Fiber is slowly pusing out more because it's more capable than copper. We are getting close to the limits of what we can do with copper and fiber opens up more options.

It's easier to tap copper than fiber, but they aren't going to physically tap your cable to listen in to your connection. This isn't the days of analog phone tapping anymore. Your ISP can (and probably will without even asking for a warrant) a mirror of your traffic. It's easy peasy and you won't even know it's happening.

You do know that the glowies already have the undersea fiber lines "tapped" where they hit land right? So unless all your traffic stays domestic, they can already see everything like that.
Thanks for this. Also, what do you think of dial-up? Most ISPs don't even allow service to new customers who use it now.
 

McTavish

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Here's a download time calculator that will tell you why no one uses dial-up willingly. Do you like waiting 2 days just to down 1GB?
It take over 400 hours to download 10GB on dial-up.
Those where the days! Taking ages to download an MP3, around the year 2000 I remember spending over 24-hours downloading unreal tournament! My next upgrade was 512kbps ADSL at £30 a month. I'm now on 40/10 for £25 which is just good enough for 4K streaming. The American people get a really shitty deal for their internet from the monopolies and regulatory capture.
 

McTavish

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I did find a dial-up internet provider in the UK called nippy they say it's free but it probably costs a penny a minute like it used to do.also it would be fun to get your old 8 or 16-bit home computers on the internet like the Atari ST and Amiga and access BBS
 

Smaug's Smokey Hole

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To access BBS only, of course. The internet as it is involves a learning curve, acquiring internet clients, and paying a service provider for internet access. With BBS you don't need either of those. Also, could the feebs also wiretap dial-up or is there some greater work involved here? Also, what if you didn't have an ISP?
If you wear a ballcap while jerking off in bed will your wife not be able to tell that it's you? If you're worried about people tapping the physical transport medium and think copper is safer you should google vampire taps and check out black helicopters on usenet.
 

Sicklick

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If you wear a ballcap while jerking off in bed will your wife not be able to tell that it's you? If you're worried about people tapping the physical transport medium and think copper is safer you should google vampire taps and check out black helicopters on usenet.
I'm not talking about copper or fiber anymore. Obviously, it's true that the feds have been doing this for years, in fact in the 90s when fiber optics was introduced, the feds started bitching because they were initially harder to tap than copper. But here we are in 2020 and yes, the feds can tap that too. Just as @Dreamland and @Sam Losco said. But the next question involves dial-up since nobody uses dial-up anymore. Also, vampire taps only applies to copper wire.

EDIT: wait a second dial-up also uses copper wire. Well shit, what about satellite? Is that any more secure?
 
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Dreamland

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EDIT: wait a second dial-up also uses copper wire. Well shit, what about satellite? Is that any more secure?
Of course not, everything the satellite sends can be caught on half the continent if it's geosynchronous, most satellite ISPs don't give a shit about encrypting the data what's being broadcast (allowing gangs to use it as a novel way to exfiltrate data harvested by virii). On the satellite's recieving side it's not safe either with the NSA positioning their interception satellites along the orbital planes of major comms satellites.
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In layman's terms, you're broadcasting your internet packets for everyone with radio equipment to hear.
 

Sicklick

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Of course not, everything the satellite sends can be caught on half the continent if it's geosynchronous, most satellite ISPs don't give a shit about encrypting the data what's being broadcast (allowing gangs to use it as a novel way to exfiltrate data harvested by virii). On the satellite's recieving side it's not safe either with the NSA positioning their interception satellites along the orbital planes of major comms satellites.
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In layman's terms, you're broadcasting your internet packets for everyone with radio equipment to hear.
Yeah, but the security and especially the reliability is significantly better than copper. And it also beats using a cell phone data plan since smartphones are garbage anyways. Look up Triggerfish. It's the best bet you've got imo. Also, if you had but one choice, would you pick either fiber optics or satellite internet/phone/TV?
 

Exterminate Leftists

Who needs nuance when you have a helicopter?
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Talking about fiber vs copper is dumb when the boys have root level access to every processor made in the past 15 years. It's baked into the hardware, there's no way around it. You're looking for a phone tap when in reality, it's the bricks in your foundation that are bugged.

Also the exchanges are some of the most heavily fortified buildings in the country. Ever see a skyscraper without windows? There's one in Manhattan, allegedly most of the euro-NA data runs through that building, and the NSA has an office there, I think AT&T owns it but Verizon has some too.

Shit even Facebook was laying down transcontinental cables down a few years ago. Worrying about fiber optics is silly.
 

Sicklick

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I know this is a bit unrelated to the original question, but how safe is Tor? I'm pretty sure it's still connected to the same glownigger system (ie packet switching and TCP/IP) but unlike the regular internet (or the clearnet/normieweb) it is still safer. Also, how would you compare its security to something else like, say, BBS? From what I heard, the feds would have to manually tap into BBS because with BBS you're no longer connected to the internet (assuming you're not using it through Telnet or SSH).
 
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