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I've never met a Cuban that had anything good to say about Castro. Only young white ppl on the internet.
He'll be fondly remembered in Africa as an anti-colonialist, and shaped the fate of his nation for good or for ill for the better part of half a century. He's not the worst dictator we've ever seen but he was no Ataturk, that's for sure.
I remember someone of Cuban descent saying that Cubans compared Fidel to a roach because he just wouldn't die.
He (minus his brother) was the last of the Cold War Era since he outlived everyone else from that time.
Yeah, I'm sure all the many thousands of Africans killed by Cuban troops in Angola, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Eritrea were glad to be freed from the Western capitalist orbit and their surviving countrymen then enslaved to the Soviet imperialist orbit.
In Angola specifically, which many ignorant people praise as Castro's greatest anti-colonial victory, Castro's vanity and bruised pride was the sole reason for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Cubans, Angolans, and Namibians. The US, South Africa, USSR, and opposing Angolan factions were all ready to sign off on a comprehensive peace deal ensuring a total withdrawal of South African and Cuban forces from Angola, but Castro sunk the deal since he felt personally humiliated by the unbroken string of bloody battlefield defeats suffered by the Cuban forces in Angola. He was too petty to admit the Cubans had been beaten and wanted to continue the war until he could claim at least one victorious battle, which he never even got. So thousands more Angolans and Cubans had to die in Angola before Castro returned to the negotiating table after finally being forced to concede that the conflict could not be militarily resolved in his favor.
Hey, the Ogaden war was pretty much a clear cut case of the Cubans taking the side of the defender. Angola, that was a shitshow from start to finish.
I really like how communists always complain about countries like the US meddling in other nations' affairs, but turn around and meddle in other nations' affairs (see Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia and Cuba in Angola). All in all I only feel sympathy for people not communists.
In all seriousness though, he become everything he fought against. A repressive dictator who continually ignored the will of the people and imprisons his own citizens for petty reasons. Yeah Cuba may have great education and great healthcare (which is so great you can get arrested for criticizing it!) but what good are those things when your country is a shit hole?
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tbh I've never heard any vice applied to him that couldn't have been applied to the average democratic government, except they have less-obvious figureheads to lay blame on.
Mike "Bubbles" Smith
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Castro did a lot of things wrong but he did some things right, and maybe we should understand better the nature of Cuba and his leadership so that we can adopt his good ideas while avoiding his mistakes lol who am i kidding
"How does it feel to take human life?"
"I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."
"I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."
Just because the USA didn't want to trade with him due to Castro allowing nukes to be placed about 100 miles away from us, which I wholeheartedly I agree with that. Fuck Castro for doing that. And fools can make the claim that well, "USA did that in Turky!!!"
Well, sure we did. And I'm no scholar on the Cuban Missile Crisis, but I believe that we slacked down on putting nukes near the USSR's borders once they removed theirs.
Nevertheless, The United States, without a doubt, had the moral high ground here.
The USA didn't occupy all of Eastern Europe, divide Germany in half and built a wall through Berlin where they'd execute anyone who crossed it to be with their families on the other side.
The USA was a very open society, civil liberties, freedoms, social justice for ALL American civilians. Another thing, the USA didn't cut any deals with the Nazi Germany as the Soviets did, dividing Poland between themselves. As a matter of fact, I don't believe that the United States ever took any land from any Sovereign nation that wasn't returned to them, for instance: the Philippines and Okinawa.
Look at the brutality the Soviets inflicted onto innocent German civilian non-combatants, as well as women and their children. I know the whole conflict was a mess, from beginning to end, but the Russians were more evil than Nazi Germany (and that's pretty hard to do)
Well, sure we did. And I'm no scholar on the Cuban Missile Crisis, but I believe that we slacked down on putting nukes near the USSR's borders once they removed theirs.
Nevertheless, The United States, without a doubt, had the moral high ground here.
The USA didn't occupy all of Eastern Europe, divide Germany in half and built a wall through Berlin where they'd execute anyone who crossed it to be with their families on the other side.
The USA was a very open society, civil liberties, freedoms, social justice for ALL American civilians. Another thing, the USA didn't cut any deals with the Nazi Germany as the Soviets did, dividing Poland between themselves. As a matter of fact, I don't believe that the United States ever took any land from any Sovereign nation that wasn't returned to them, for instance: the Philippines and Okinawa.
Look at the brutality the Soviets inflicted onto innocent German civilian non-combatants, as well as women and their children. I know the whole conflict was a mess, from beginning to end, but the Russians were more evil than Nazi Germany (and that's pretty hard to do)
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I assume you mean in the modern era, friend. Obviously, if America followed that policy its whole history Anerica would owe half the west coast to Mexico.
A very open society which financed dictators every bit as bad as Fidel and Soviets in secret.
I thought Fidel was such a magnanimous dictator though? Isn't that what 2nd rate world leaders and failed politicians are saying? Well, if the USA was feeling like throwing their hat in the ring to support Western friendly dictators as opposed to "democratically" elected communists "of the people" (the fact that wholesome American firms got all their Chiquita Banana's didn't hurt either lol.)
I know about United Fruit and all that. It was a paranoid time, you had Khrushchev telling people he was going to bury them, USSR cozying up to communists right in the USA's wheelhouse, some shady deals were going on surely, but America had the moral high ground throughout that time.
It was either let the Soviet's establish a greater foothold in the America's, or have the CIA do some finagling of their own. Either way, I'm very comfortable about the way things turned out.
Manifest Destiny !!!! Well, they wouldn't "owe" it to Mexico so much as they would have never have attacked them in the first place before purchasing the rest of what they wanted with the Gadsden Purchase, so Mexico would have owned it the entire time. IMO, I think the USA has done a much better job administering that area than Mexico ever could.
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I've met one. He doesn't live in Cuba.
The U.S. may have some things to answer for in the 20th Century during the Cold War, but repeatedly rolling in with tanks on our neighbors isn't one of them, and frankly, that's qualitatively and quantitatively worse behavior.
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