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[Luigi]

Gootecks got his PogChamp emote removed.
What he said today that got Twitch to do this:

https://archive.md/SfitF

https://archive.md/PyRRq

Many people will still remember PogChamp, hell, the word poggers is still used a lot, as dumb as that term is. Banning his emote won't do that much damage to him. That said, I'm interested in how far downhill he'll keep going. I don't expect him to hit Narcissa Wright levels of a fall from grace, but we'll see.

He will now be a Martyr PogChamp.

The shit gootecks says nowadays is funny still but sadly for the wrong reasons

 

[Ceral Funt]

Whoever did this is my hero.

Muramasa in FGO, Tsuki remake confirmed for this year and now this? Damn it's a good year to be a Nasuverse fan.

 

[SSF2T Old User]

>When you loose to a Honda player, but get really fucking salty about it

Personally I play as Old Honda, and O.Honda's game is "Hyper Fighting Grabby-Slappy" . Majority of New Honda players I come across always try to Ochio you to death (unless you meet the "ceap" ones that just hide in the corner and headbutt you all day). idk what this person is talking about.

 

[Ceral Funt]

I don't get it.

People claim to be good at fighters, at old fighters, yet complain about others using a character's entire fucking schtick like they're intended to.

What are we supposed to do, just sit there and take it so you can stroke your microscopic miserable ego? Bitch please.

I'm getting stinky LTG-fag vibes here.

 

[SSF2T Old User]

I'm getting stinky LTG-fag vibes here.

It's fightcade, so you're not far off

I mentioned that rooms like Street Fighter Alpha 3 have warnings now, but the list actually got LONGER from the time I made that post

Idk wtf happened in the SFA3 room that would lead to all this but it's become an SJW safe-haven. When some people found out that you would be able to report other people in a future update, they actually rejoiced. Also you have a few people throwing "______ is a Nazi!!" accusations around the chat.

 

[Shaka Brah]

It's fightcade, so you're not far off

I mentioned that rooms like Street Fighter Alpha 3 have warnings now, but the list actually got LONGER from the time I made that post
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Idk wtf happened in the SFA3 room that would lead to all this but it's become an SJW safe-haven. When some people found out that you would be able to report other people in a future update, they actually rejoiced. Also you have a few people throwing "______ is a Nazi!!" accusations around the chat.

But those are the bread and butter of the FGC! I can't imagine Marvel vs. Capcom without the machismo, posturing, and insults thrown across the arcade between two players who are seconds from a fistfight.

 

[Pretty Boy Extremism]

I fully believe this will be used to gatekeep good players so that the wokes could hog all the top spots. I think about 2.5 years ago they banned some well known US VSav player from attending a bunch of local tournaments because of allegations of misgendering some troon. I wish I remember his name, I used to play VF with him online a few times, but Yurop to CA connections are garbage so I didn't get too many matches in with him.

 

[Luigi]

But those are the bread and butter of the FGC! I can't imagine Marvel vs. Capcom without the machismo, posturing, and insults thrown across the arcade between two players who are seconds from a fistfight.

I cannot even imagine what would happen if a crowd behind them started chanting "somebody is getting fuuucked" while they are getting beaten up.
Honestly some people are not made for the FGC, and it's a shame to see the FGC bend the knee to them. Things used to be way more funny before this new gay version of the FGC that we have now.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I cannot even imagine what would happen if a crowd behind them started chanting "somebody is getting fuuucked" while they are getting beaten up.
Honestly some people are not made for the FGC, and it's a shame to see the FGC bend the knee to them. Things used to be way more funny before this new gay version of the FGC that we have now.

The moment netcode became good enough to let shut-ins play the game, it was doomed. The FGC was full of such outstanding personalities because people had to go to a local arcade or get together in a guy's garage to play at the top level. You needed to be right up in someone's face in public. Sometimes literally shoulder to shoulder at a cabinet. It's a totally different experience that creates totally different players.

 

[PrincessHomura]

I fully believe this will be used to gatekeep good players so that the wokes could hog all the top spots. I think about 2.5 years ago they banned some well known US VSav player from attending a bunch of local tournaments because of allegations of misgendering some troon. I wish I remember his name, I used to play VF with him online a few times, but Yurop to CA connections are garbage so I didn't get too many matches in with him.

It wasn't even a year ago, and you're thinking about Dyne who may well have been the best in the US.

 

[Pretty Boy Extremism]

It wasn't even a year ago, and you're thinking about Dyne who may well have been the best in the US.

Oh that's right! Also, that just makes it worse because it did happen 3 years ago for the same reason, it's just that the ban was lifted a few months later after he "learned his lesson"(?) This just makes it even worse because it looks like they used the same incident to ban him again and now added some #MeToo shit. Big ups for making me remember and letting me know that it happened again.

 

[SSF2T Old User]

A few days late posting this, but Capcom is going all "Core Values" by attacking fanworks

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/01/09/capcom-begins-cracking-down-on-inappropriate-or-objectionable-fan-content/

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https://www.capcom.com/video-policy/

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People like Maximillian Dood have touched on this a bit

 

[toallyreel]

I'm happy to report that the FGC has been solved. Thanks to the efforts of the Fighting Game Community Code of Conduct Communications the FGC is now an inclusive space. They just released their updated website that has the full rules. Now TOs can point to this if they want to kick people out of tournaments with no societal backlash to them or something.

In this wonderful document is incredible and vague rules, such as:

3.1.3. Engaging in malicious bullying, baiting, trolling, or other verbal harassment or abuse that rises to a level beyond commonly accepted FGC trash talking.

3.1.19. Engaging in any illegal activity or unauthorized infringement of any other person’s rights.

3.1.22. Advocating for, encouraging, being an accomplice to, or threatening to engage in any potential violations.

and my personal favorite:

3.1.9. Creating a nuisance or hazard by neglecting personal hygiene, refusing to take appropriate hygienic or medical precautions, or engaging in or encouraging others to commit any hygienically or medically unsafe behavior.

Smash players are done for.


The best part is this document offers an entire section on THE GOVERNING BODY. It includes no less than EIGHT committees.

4.3. COMMITTEES. The Governing Body will have eight committees: the Moderation Committee, the Investigations Committee, the Code of Conduct Committee, the Tools and Record-Keeping Committee, the Legal Committee, the Inclusion and Diversity Committee, the Public Relations Committee, and the Collegiate Committee.

What could an Inclusion and Diversity Committee possibly have anything to do with the FGC other than cancel people on twitter? Disallow black people from signing up to a marvel tournament because there's already too many? Too many asians in the Guilty Gear pool? Can't sign up any more smash players, we're full on pedos? This document is incredible.

They've released the signatories for this document, including those who are in the GOVERNING BODY. I don't know a single person on this list besides Ultradavid, who of course would be in this position. I stand and applaud this progressive step, next let's unionize the players so we can organize strikes against...pools or Skullgirls again or something... Hopefully now we can finally get to what fighting games are all about, making sure no one's feelings get hurt.

 

[Luigi]

Disallow black people from signing up to a marvel tournament because there's already too many?

I cannot imagine a bunch of white guys telling blacks that they can't enter without a riot being started minutes later, but I can see restricting whites from joining, even tho most communities are filled to the brim with POCs.

Edit: So I found the Signatories section and started to go through the list to confirm my suspicions that it would be filled with white guys... and literally the first name is a "non-binary" white dude.

https://archive.vn/n9zOY

 

[PrincessHomura]

I cannot imagine a bunch of white guys telling blacks that they can't enter without a riot being started minutes later, but I can see restricting whites from joining, even tho most communities are filled to the brim with POCs.

Edit: So I found the Signatories section and started to go through the list to confirm my suspicions that it would be filled with white guys... and literally the first name is a "non-binary" white dude.

https://archive.vn/n9zOY

"Pronouns are only words, after all"

Want to bet that no longer holds true if you happen to use the wrong ones?

 

[SSF2T Old User]

It was put together by community volunteers, reviewed by other community volunteers, and agreed to by community leaders.

>community leaders
This has bothered me for quite some time. I thought the FGC was kind of like what GamerGate was in that there is no "leaders" and that everyone governs themselves. When the fuck did they start giving individual people authoritarian power to do shit like this?

It applies to all the players, tournament organizers, staff, streamers, commentators, posters, chatters, and so on who attend, run, or use the tournaments, Discord servers, and other community gathering places that have signed on to enforce it.

>tournament organizers
So is it safe to assume that companies like Capcom, who host their Capcom Cup Tournaments, are also abiding and applying these rules? If so, then this company is so fucked beyond help (as if the ransomware leaks didn't already prove that).
>posters, chatters
Da fuk does THAT mean? People who comment on things they like but have nothing to do with the FGC will still be scrutinized under the same rules? Holy shit normies are fucked if they say even one thing remotely "out of line". At that point NO ONE will want to play fighting games except the people that are already into them. So play GateKeeper/BodyGuards just in case some outsider dares to actually have fun... fucking lame.
>Discord servers
Just one more reason why Discord is cancer and should never be used.

In the wake of so many recent examples of abuse, bigotry, and other bad actions in our scene, we must recognize that we have not done enough to keep our community members safe.

First of all, thots crying about being hit-on at a place thats like 99.9% a sausage fest does NOT count as any of those things. Trannies can get fucked as well because they are ALWAYS bitching/moaning/complaining about SOMETHING even if it's events they exclusively own and operate (see GDQ). Second, if by "keeping your community members safe" you actually mean "get rid of naughty language" then...

A. Good luck preventing blacks from saying "nigga/nigger" cause they do it all the time.
B. It's adults that participate in tourney events. Adults can say whatever the fuck they want. Words don't hurt, just grow a thicker skin you fucks and stop being so fragile.

Previously, we’ve only relied on individual tournament organizers and professional tours to conduct their own disciplinary actions. Unfortunately, that kind of piecemeal approach not only unfairly places too big a burden on those TOs, it also necessarily ends up in decisions that can come across as dogpiling, that can feel inconsistent, or that are made by people you may not even know. We hope that this code of conduct, created by the community to be enforced quickly and uniformly by a diverse committee of community members, will solve these problems.

Ok I'm getting two different translations from this. Either they are saying...

1. "These TO's aren't doing a good enough job that WE want them to, so WE are just going to strip them of their power and WE will make all the "correct" decisions".
2. "Fuck mob rule, you peasants need to stfu and know your place and respect your TO's"

...or it could be both, idk.

2.1. INCLUSIVITY. This Code of Conduct is intended to make the FGC a safe experience characterized by Inclusivity in which everyone feels welcomed regardless of race, color, ethnicity, nationality, sex, sexual or romantic orientation, gender identity, religion, disability, neurodiversity, body size, pregnancy or maternity, citizenship, or any other personal characteristics.

>sexual or romantic orientation
>gender identity
You already added "sex" before those two lines. This is just fucking redundant and unnecessary.
>neurodiversity

>body size
lol fat
>pregnancy or maternity
Oh come the fuck on!! How often does this shit REALLY happen that you need a fucking rule about this specifically?!?!
>citizenship
Aren't a lot of top tier tourney players from Asia? Don't a lot of people have respect for said Asian players? Why the fuck would it matter what their citizenship is?

2.2. INTEGRITY. This Code of Conduct is intended to maintain and build integrity in the FGC through consistent and diverse leadership, fair tournament operations, and equitable Signatory Spaces.

>fair tournament operations

2.3. AUTHENTICITY. This Code of Conduct is intended to pursue the above goals of Inclusivity and Integrity while preserving Authenticity in the FGC’s unique feel, exciting fun, trash-talking spirit, and dedication to competition.

These fuckers have no self-awareness, do they? By telling people what to say, how to say it, when they can say it, etc... you are effectively taking away the "trash-talking spirit" (or at least what little was left of it) from the FGC. With all these asinine rules that practically invite special snowflakes to take control of the asylum, even something as mundane as "lol you're bad/you suck" will trigger the fuck out of them.

Also fuck you... you don't get to decide what is considered "fun" or "exciting", those are completely opinionated feelings that are unique and different to everyone. To me, these rules don't make playing fighting games fun... they make me want to stay the fuck away from them like the plague.

3.1.3. Engaging in malicious bullying, baiting, trolling, or other verbal harassment or abuse that rises to a level beyond commonly accepted FGC trash talking.

1. You're already minimizing what can/can-not be said at these places, and 2. ANYTHING is considered "trolling" in this day and age because that word has been abused so fucking much it's lost all of it's meaning. The participants might as well keep their traps shut and not say anything (or even do anything) at all.

3.1.6. Taking photographs of or recording any other person without either their consent or Signatory authorization.

>Signatory Authorization
lolwut? People need to sign an agreement to take pics of cosplayers now? Just ban cosplayers then (hell even costumes in general), the whole point of them is to stand there and look pretty while getting pics taken of them. If they didn't want that, then they shouldn't dress-up, period.

3.1.8. Intentionally outing any other person’s sexual orientation, gender, or other identity without their consent.

Translation: Don't deadname any trannies.

3.1.9. Creating a nuisance or hazard by neglecting personal hygiene, refusing to take appropriate hygienic or medical precautions, or engaging in or encouraging others to commit any hygienically or medically unsafe behavior.

This one I fully support. Seriously though, niggas need to learn...

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For the record, I'm not a tourney player... never have been, never will be. If anything I'm a filty casual that loves fighting games. But even I can smell bullshit when it stinks, and this one stinks to the high heavens. The fact that the FGC has cucked this far tells me that there really is no hope for this group at all.

 

[Desu Mountain]

>neurodiversity

It's the new PC way of saying attention-deficit hyperactive sperg.

 

[Gin-san]

It doesn't look like they received any input from veteran TOs like Alex Valle or Richard Thiher, which is very telling. This will undoubtably be a disaster, but will it be a bigger disaster than the Smash Code of Conduct Panel? Let's hope so.

 

[SSF2T Old User]

It doesn't look like they received any input from veteran TOs like Alex Valle

AFAIK, he's too busy with Fightcade related stuff. Most of his tweets are of stuff like this...

 

[toallyreel]

Good news everyone. Ultradavid has updated the updated Code of Conduct. Ultradavid, who is in the G O V E R N I N G B O D Y, has written updated patch notes for the CoC. In it are obvious walk-backs of the power grab like:

C. Paragraph 1.5. i. Deleted "if any Third Party Rules conflict with this Code of Conduct, this Code of Conduct will take precedence"

and

III. Section 3: Conduct A. Section 3.1. generally i. Deleted "Engaging in... intentional hiding of one's identity"

while also setting up better for post-CoC cancellations from the past once they find someone they don't like and dig into decade old-tweets:

D. Paragraph 2.2.2. i. Changed "Because the violations prohibited by this Code of Conduct were already obviously bad, and because the goal of this Code of Conduct is to protect Participants now and in the future, Participants may be subject to disciplinary actionunder this Code of Conduct for violations committed before this Code of Conduct was first adopted if those violations suggest that the Participants may be likely to continue to engage in more violations in the future" to "The Governing Body may make Recommendations under this Code of Conduct for Violations committed by Participants before this Code of Conduct was first adopted, as long as those Violations are part of an ongoing pattern that indicates that a Participant is likely to engage in more Violations in the future"

and protecting the G O V E R N I N G B O D Y from scandals and responsibility:

C. Paragraph 5.4. i. Changed "The Governing Body and the Signatories will enforce" to "The Signatories will enforce"

Obviously people are not super duper thrilled with having an invisible sheet control them in the FGC when the FGC is essentially known for being the trash-talking roughhouse of gaming. Those who aren't afraid of saving the wrong thing yet on twitter are voicing concerns.

The thing is in large part the FGC is so dead and the rest is so cancelled that no one is really talking about it, outside of Jiyuners making fun of it
and the cancelled who have not much else to fear.

This would all be a lot more interesting if the world had tournaments still, but since coroner-chan fear will be here forever having in-person tournaments again seems like a pipe dream. If they do ever come back, expect this doc and the eight committees to be in headline FGC news, if they hadn't imploded under the bureaucracy by then.