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[The Last Stand]

This has bothered me for quite some time. I thought the FGC was kind of like what GamerGate was in that there is no "leaders" and that everyone governs themselves. When the fuck did they start giving individual people authoritarian power to do shit like this?

Blame the interaction between LTG and Ceroblast for starting this whole thing.

If the FGC could govern themselves, Smash Bros wouldn't be considered a fighting game and there wouldn't be pedos in said community.

Here's a question I have: how will the FGC survive currently?

With COVID, all tournaments would have to be hosted online. I'm no fighting game player, but even I know that fighting games are best played locally. Inputs requires split second precision and timing to execute. Online with lag and netcode negates that.

Now, with this Code of Conduct, it defeats the original purpose of the FGC. Most players are rowdy and competitive, that's part of the entertainment. Since it'll be looked at with a microscope, it went from "anything goes" to "anything can be problematic."

 

[Tanner Glass]

Blame the interaction between LTG and Ceroblast for starting this whole thing.

If the FGC could govern themselves, Smash Bros wouldn't be considered a fighting game and there wouldn't be pedos in said community.

Here's a question I have: how will the FGC survive currently?

With COVID, all tournaments would have to be hosted online. I'm no fighting game player, but even I know that fighting games are best played locally. Inputs requires split second precision and timing to execute. Online with lag and netcode negates that.

Now, with this Code of Conduct, it defeats the original purpose of the FGC. Most players are rowdy and competitive, that's part of the entertainment. Since it'll be looked at with a microscope, it went from "anything goes" to "anything can be problematic."

Realistically it only matters if the Code of Conduct is widely adopted, which it likely won't be. If the biggest name they can get on this is UltraDavid - it's pretty ignorable.

EVO is dead - meaning that every other large tournament scene (Capcom Cup, Tekken World Finals, etc) are run by the companies that host the fighting games. It seems very unlikely that any of those said companies would think "we should let these outsiders, nobodies, and a commentator enforce their own sets of rules at our tournaments" because there's such a huge failure case. FGC players are already shitheads - there's no reason to try to give them more tools to try and be shitheads with. There's no reason to think that this would improve the product being delivered - which is the #1 priority for these companies.

There's also the issue that the FGC (even with a CoC) is incapable of self-governing. EVO is a shining example of that; considering how long shenanigans were going on and how long it took for something to happen.

This seems like something that Capcom/Namco/etc would have been interested in 10 or 20 years ago - before they built their own various tournament scenes.

 

[Grundlejungle]

What the fuck is the point of playing street fighter if I cannot call someone a faggot for playing as sodom?

 

[SSF2T Old User]

What the fuck is the point of playing street fighter if I cannot call someone a faggot for playing as sodom?

Seriously though, almost every Sodom player I've encounter on the Alpha 2/3 rooms in Fightcade use the same strategy

• Don't do anything except poke with standing/jumping HP (especially with X-ism Sodom)
• Wait till your opponent jumps, then use crouching HP because apparently the priority on that shit is ridiculous
• When opponent is knocked out, get in and mash the fuck out of crouching LP
• If V-ism, use the same "LP Jigoku Scrape + MK" loop to keep your opponent in the air
• Rinse & Repeat

 

[AutoGuyNoFile]

Here's a question I have: how will the FGC survive currently?

With COVID, all tournaments would have to be hosted online. I'm no fighting game player, but even I know that fighting games are best played locally. Inputs requires split second precision and timing to execute. Online with lag and netcode negates that.

Thankfully, Fightcade is pretty darn good and people have been developing solutions to getting other fighters working well online. Couple this with Discord and there are plenty of little micro communities for playing darn near any fighting game and most of them don't care about the FGC Cock. Most don't even know it exists and as long as those communities stay small and unimportant then it's all good.

I guess the big problem is e-Sports. Getting fighting games on the main stage, in the spotlight, on par with LoL and Overwatch and Fortnite and shit and well...that wasn't happening anyway. Capcom and Namco have tried their best on their own with Capcom even censoring their own shit so SF5 could be shown on ESPN and it just didn't take. Despite fighting games arguably being the original e-Sport they just don't work in that environment. Not yet anyway.

The Riot Games fighter will come out and regardless of how shit it is it will likely dominate the e-Sports fighting game scene because Riot and Chinabux and that will be that. Honestly? Can't wait to see the drama. I wonder how much of the FGC will fawn over it regardless of quality and how many will take a massive dump on it...or what the damn thing will even be like. Hopefully the dumbfucks in charge have learned how Mirror Matches work by now (my number one beef with LoL: I'm sorry, I paid $15 for this snake woman and NOW you tell me I'm not allowed to use the character I paid $15 for and if I quit it's bad sportsmanship and if I suck because snake woman in my main and I dunno anyone else it's all MY fault? Fuck you your game is trash).

 

[albert chan]

I don't get it.

People claim to be good at fighters, at old fighters, yet complain about others using a character's entire fucking schtick like they're intended to.

What are we supposed to do, just sit there and take it so you can stroke your microscopic miserable ego? Bitch please.

I'm getting stinky LTG-fag vibes here.

This type of contradiction is why I see more players in the FGC just stick to old school fighting games like Soul Calibur and Samurai Shodown. You never hear the original players from the 80’s and 90’s complain too much about things like this, or at least not take it too social media.

 

[Ceral Funt]

This type of contradiction is why I see more players in the FGC just stick to old school fighting games like Soul Calibur and Samurai Shodown. You never hear the original players from the 80’s and 90’s complain too much about things like this, or at least not take it too social media.

Makes me wish I had a decent connection just so I could use Fightcade to relive my years of fun with SFA2 and 3 against actual people instead of just a stupid AI.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Thankfully, Fightcade is pretty darn good and people have been developing solutions to getting other fighters working well online. Couple this with Discord and there are plenty of little micro communities for playing darn near any fighting game and most of them don't care about the FGC Cock. Most don't even know it exists and as long as those communities stay small and unimportant then it's all good.

I guess the big problem is e-Sports. Getting fighting games on the main stage, in the spotlight, on par with LoL and Overwatch and Fortnite and shit and well...that wasn't happening anyway. Capcom and Namco have tried their best on their own with Capcom even censoring their own shit so SF5 could be shown on ESPN and it just didn't take. Despite fighting games arguably being the original e-Sport they just don't work in that environment. Not yet anyway.

The Riot Games fighter will come out and regardless of how shit it is it will likely dominate the e-Sports fighting game scene because Riot and Chinabux and that will be that. Honestly? Can't wait to see the drama. I wonder how much of the FGC will fawn over it regardless of quality and how many will take a massive dump on it...or what the damn thing will even be like. Hopefully the dumbfucks in charge have learned how Mirror Matches work by now (my number one beef with LoL: I'm sorry, I paid $15 for this snake woman and NOW you tell me I'm not allowed to use the character I paid $15 for and if I quit it's bad sportsmanship and if I suck because snake woman in my main and I dunno anyone else it's all MY fault? Fuck you your game is trash).

The problem with fighting games as an esport will always be the same problem - the fighting games themselves.

- Matches are really, really short and the same "round" is essentially played multiple times. If the players don't switch characters between games (and they frequently don't) - you can see the same matchup 15+ times in a row, or more, depending on how the set is evolving and how long is it.
- Some fighting games have a very solid "meta" - meaning you'll have the same matchup mentioned previously mentioned show up even more times.
- Modern Fighting Games are typically designed with a "comeback" mechanic (Ultra Meter, V-Trigger, Rage Mode/Arts) that makes comebacks pretty boring and common.
- Fighting Games also don't employ a ton of strategy, because a round is only 99 seconds at absolute most. There aren't huge variations on how different players play the same characters. You'll occasionally get to see some mind games in a BO5 or BO7, but it isn't common.
- Fighting Games typically get "solved" pretty early on - although the meta evolves there's usually a slew of "best" characters that you'll always see in high level competitions.
- Fighting Game tournaments aren't super common so you also see tons of the same players at every single event, even for different games. You could realistically watch Justin Wong win MvC2 for 8 years straight.
- Fighting Games typically employ tons of advanced concepts (cancels, kara throws, loops, resets, etc) that aren't easily readable for people not super invested in the genre.

I think that League (and Dota, Overwatch) fare much better because they're longer games that are much more easily readable to a "normal" viewer. Even if you don't understand all of the specifics of League/Dota (all of the characters, roles, matchups) it's very easy to see the objective of "destroy the enemy base" and watch how the players work towards that goal. Same for Overwatch - the goal is pretty clearly defined as are the roles (big man with shield, girl with healing ray, person with sniper rifle). Because you have so many players (10 for League, 12 for OW) the dynamic changes much easier between matches and they feel much different from one another compared to Fighting Games.

 

[SSF2T Old User]

Makes me wish I had a decent connection just so I could use Fightcade to relive my years of fun with SFA2 and 3 against actual people instead of just a stupid AI.

This isn't just specifically for you, but for anyone that hasn't used Fightcade yet but want to, here's a few things to note...

• If you're playing a street fighter game, expect like 95% of your matches to be shotos/fireball spammers who will ONLY use those characters and no one else.
• Some people on Fightcade discriminate against wifi users. Even a little lag makes them shit their pants with anger.
• SFIII 3rd strike is the most roudy room in Fightcade. It's also one of the most (if not THE most) packed place ever ranging from around 200-400 users depending on the time of day (KOF 2002 & 98 being tied with 2nd place)
• There are rooms that have little to no American players (SF2CE being one of them) but are filled with players from the rest of the world... sometimes in countries you've never heard of before.
• Most of the popular rooms are also the rooms with a ranking system. Rankings go from E - S. You start of with D on a new account. When you click on a username to challenge, you can either do FT2/FT3/FT5/FT10/FT20 or unranked matches that never end unless you quit the game.
• There are certain rooms (such as Street Fighter Alpha 3) that actually have mods looking over the room and will ban you if you get out of line. I mentioned this on the previous page of this thread
• You can also play Genesis/MSX/TG16/NES/SNES/Dreamcast (A.K.A. NAOMI) games on Fightcade with other people but none of them are ranked rooms. NES, SNES, and Dreamcast/Naomi are the only two that use their own emulator rather instead of Final Burn Neo (the program that runs everything else on Fightcade), and as such require additional downloading/installing and setting up to properly work.

Thats off the top of my head.

 

[Ceral Funt]

[... *insert galaxy brain highly informative stuff here* ...]

I don't think this counts as powerleveling...

• I'm not surprised, and can't complain myself. I've been an Akuma "main" since SFA2 (back when my kiddie/teenage self thought special moves were the end-all-be-all way to win), and only learned some "advanced" techniques and combos using normals and such (gasp!) during the SF4 era.
• Which is one of my woes. Because of my current living situation, I'm forced to be on wifi on a shitty connection, so zero stability for me, yay.
• It may sound surprising but I never played any of the SFIII games. I'm more interested in Super, Super Turbo, and Alpha 2 and 3. If I ever get my hands on SF Collection on Steam I'll give the III series a try.
• Refer to the second part of the bullet point above.
• Rankings for old games can suck my fat dick. If I ever did, I'd only be playing for fun.
• Yeah, I recall you mentioning that before.
• Meh. I'm not really interested in anything else, and again, wifi warrior, so I'd rather avoid the bitching.

Maybe when I can afford more comfortable living conditions I'll be able to have a wired setup and have the chance to enjoy Fightcade and other online games.

 

[Geese Howard]

There was an auction tournament at Combo Breaker 2018 that not many people saw for a game called Sarvets All-Stars, a custom M.U.G.E.N. build created by Midwestern Guilty Gear player Sarvets. It was the only tournament from that weekend that never got uploaded anywhere; the Twitch archive got deleted a few weeks after the stream and the only YouTube videos available are these two clips.

The tournament's commentators, Majin Obama and Mr. u Suk, were both fairly intoxicated. Majin Obama, in particular, said quite a few things that probably would have given Kotaku enough material for another FGC hit piece. This is presumably the reason why the archives no longer exist online, which is unfortunate, since it's possibly the best FGC broadcast I've ever seen.

I watched the tournament live and immediately ripped the VODs before they were deleted, so in honor of our new Code of Conduct, here are download links for the (extremely large) videos. (They should also be streamable if you view the MEGA links in a desktop browser.)

Part 1 (4.02 GB) | Part 2 (3.10 GB)
Stream chat .ssa subtitles: Part 1 | Part 2

These VODs are unedited, so the first part includes approximately 30 minutes of stream uptime before the broadcast starts. The split in the files is due to the stream going down for a couple of minutes in the middle of the tournament. (In my opinion, the first three matches of Part 2 are an absolute must-see, so the split works out fairly well if you don't want to download both files.)

I never uploaded these to any streaming sites in case Combo Breaker or original streamer bgcallisto wanted to monetize them (which still may or may not happen, according to YouTube comments). But it's a tragedy that no one gets to see a tournament that starts with Obama calling LTG a monkey and only gets better from there, so feel free to download these videos for your own personal enjoyment. (LTG was not in attendance, by the way.)

 

[I Love Beef]

Tranny loses in fighting games once, then writes a long, autism-fueled essay on why fighting games are bad and milks the "aLl SmAsH pLaYeRs ArE pEd0s" joke because he even sucks dick at that game, too.

Trannys by default always lose because their hormonal augmentation and tampering messes with their natural biology and psychology. Also, they're typically spoiled princess wannabes who want the world on a silver platter and never have worked for anything in their lives. Boy I can't wait to see their suicide rate shoot up.

 

[Orc Girls Make Due]

Obama calling LTG a monkey

WHERE IS THE FGCCC WHEN YOU NEED THEM? HOO.

But in all seriousness, they want to combat stinky pedos in their community by basically getting a board together of stinky pedos? HMMM.

 

[MooseGump]

Premieres in a few minutes, apparently there's a reason twitch took down pogchamp and poggers man is gonna tell us

 

[Lucas Silva #4903141]

Premieres in a few minutes, apparently there's a reason twitch took down pogchamp and poggers man is gonna tell us

600 likes, 1100 dislikes, off to a great start.
Worth noting that this is on the Cross Counter TV account, which had been mostly inactive after the video where Gootecks looks like shit on camera.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTDdH72PnLY1V_ERklKSXMg

The Cross Counter TV twitter account is still dead.

https://twitter.com/crosscountertv

I can't be bothered to watch the video past a few seconds, to be honest. Gootecks sounds weird, is he high? A quick rundown of the video would be appreciated.

 

[MooseGump]

I can't be bothered to watch the video past a few seconds, to be honest. Gootecks sounds weird, is he high? A quick rundown of the video would be appreciated.

Essentially a weirdly high-pitched poggersman goes "Why do twitter and twitch censor me " while saying what happened up to trump's ban on twitter, he spends a good chunk of the later part of the video going on about big tech companies like Null would

Not particularly exciting but he just sounds so weird and he's laughing so frequently that it's pretty spooky

Oh also I have this screenshot from 10 minutes before it premiered

 

[Ceral Funt]

I've tortured myself to get to 16 minutes into the video, and he sounds fucking unhinged. TDS? I don't even know anymore.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

I say let the FGC die. The hype left once SF5 turned out to be a pile of shit. All the modern fighters are either baby mode garbage, to the point where they advertise single button combos (Blazblue Cross, DBFZ), or they're so horrendously produced that they die on the spot (Samurai Shodown is a perfect example). There's so much wrong that honestly shouldn't be.

Hell, regardless of your thoughts on COVID, nerd meetups are notorious for being plague spreaders. I honestly don't plan on going back to my locals anytime soon. I honestly don't see how the FGC will recover.

 

[The Last Stand]

I say let the FGC die. The hype left once SF5 turned out to be a pile of shit. All the modern fighters are either baby mode garbage, to the point where they advertise single button combos (Blazblue Cross, DBFZ), or they're so horrendously produced that they die on the spot (Samurai Shodown is a perfect example). There's so much wrong that honestly shouldn't be.

Hell, regardless of your thoughts on COVID, nerd meetups are notorious for being plague spreaders. I honestly don't plan on going back to my locals anytime soon. I honestly don't see how the FGC will recover.

What's wrong with SFV as a fighting game?

 

[PrincessHomura]

I say let the FGC die. The hype left once SF5 turned out to be a pile of shit. All the modern fighters are either baby mode garbage, to the point where they advertise single button combos (Blazblue Cross, DBFZ), or they're so horrendously produced that they die on the spot (Samurai Shodown is a perfect example). There's so much wrong that honestly shouldn't be.

Hell, regardless of your thoughts on COVID, nerd meetups are notorious for being plague spreaders. I honestly don't plan on going back to my locals anytime soon. I honestly don't see how the FGC will recover.

The FGC is what you make of it. Letting people come in and decide what you're allowed to do or not to do is weak and pathetic behavior. Make your own event that cares about who's the best, that's where everyone who matters will go.

As for current fighting games sucking, I agree on many but I still think there are good ones. Play the good ones. If you think none of the new ones are good, play the old ones. That's the beauty of fighting games - there's a scene for everything. If you build it, they will come. Stop being a defeatist because UltraCuck is trying to enforce his laws upon you. Fuck him, do what's fun.