World Finland - Sex with children is NOT rape if you're a migrant - Finnish court rules 3 year prison in migrant’s case

El Garbage

I'm disabling this fucking cesspool of hate
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no one says you're not allowed to criticize Russia
In 2007, defense minister Jyri Häkämies (fun fact: Häkämies means "Carbon Monoxide Man") said during a Washington visit: "Finland's three greatest security challenges are Russia, Russia and Russia."

This caused a political shitstorm, especially among the Social Democrats who called the speech "monstrous", "obfuscating Finland's foreign policy", "a miserable failure" and so forth. Even his right-wing party members denounced the statement, and criticized the man for "rocking the boat". Häkämies promised to change his rhetoric.

That was a bit over 10 years ago, but many of these people are still in positions of power, continuing the Finlandization-era code of silence. Moscow has dirt on most of those people, and could use it to end their careers.

Another fun fact: West Germany gave Finland a list of suspected Finnish STASI agents in 1990, and it was immediately classified and stored in the Finnish Security Police safe. It will be declassified only in 2050, when most of the indicted will be dead. If that list became public, it would be a complete fucking disaster for the entire political field.

This is what real Russian collusion is like.
 

2odastream

r/Drama queen
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Surely there is SOMEONE on this site who can speak Mongolian - @Rio
I think people from Finland speak fucking Mongolian. It's weird enough for a dirty rapist to go after a twenty year old and get away with it, now they're getting off the hook with traumatising literal children.
 
Right, time for an autistic slapfight. Let's compare russkis with kebab:

  • We've fought Russians literally for a 1000 years. They conquered us once (1809-1917), tried to destroy Finnish culture and were only stopped with terrorist attacks and later by the Russian Empire collapsing, defeated us twice in WW 2, bombed our cities, stole our lands and turned huge numbers of people into refugees, forced us to pay billions in reparations, and kept us pretty much as a puppet state from 1945 to 1991.
  • Many Russian politicians openly say Finland's a part of Russia, and recent events show they're not afraid to use military force to conquer areas.
  • Russia uses all kinds of bullshit (from blocking roads to economic sanctions) to hinder Finnish trade, if Putin's not happy with us.
  • Russian jets violate Finnish airspace constantly to test our air defenses, and they do all kinds of military exercises a stone's throw from the border.
  • Russians buy land near military bases to build spy installations. This is actually happening, not tin foil bullshit.
  • Russia has 10 nuclear subs, 22 tactical subs, ~50 ships, 200 fighter jets, tens of thousands of infantrymen, airborne troops, spetsnaz, tank brigades and whatnot stationed near Finland. During the Cold War these were called "the troops of peace".
  • The majority of immigrants to Finland are Russians.
  • Kebabs have been a nuisance for 15 years now.
  • There's maybe 70000 Muslims in Finland. They're unarmed, live mostly on government handouts in shitty commie block suburbs, and could be rounded up in a weekend and stored in a single sports stadium if the government decided to nazi things up. They're also easy to spot and can't speak Finnish for the most part.
  • About 5000 rapefugees try to get to the country per year, 40% of them are accepted. During the 2015 migrant crisis the amount of people was about 35k, but about half of them were kicked out instantly, and the rest are being returned slowly to their shitholes.
  • There are new laws for "forcefully ejecting" rapefugees from the country.
  • A kebab tried to immolate himself at a police station like a week ago, because his permit was rejected. What a cuck.
  • Rapefugees rape a lot (about 10-20 times more rapists than Finns, (aside from Laestadians)), and have done one terrorist attack (2 dead, 7 injured). The terrorist was shot in the thigh, arrested, and is getting sentenced next month. More on this as it develops.
Fun fact: those who hate kebabs also hate the russkis, and those who love mudslimes also think Russia's the bestest. There are very few people who are against kebab but pro-Russia.

tl;dr Russia is, has been, and always will be the main threat to Finland. Worrying about kebabs is like crying about a shitstain on the carpet when the house is going to catch on fire.
OK, now that you've got that out of your system, do you want to remind yourself that Finland is essentially a NATO country and that Russia won't be starting any fucking tank invasions or submarine raids on the Finnish mainland anytime soon?

Calm down.
 

Swinecake

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Reviving this ancient thread, because Finland finally got a statutory rape law (article in Finnish, sorry). Basically a child rapist gets now 4-12 years, a child can't give consent (previously grooming a kid actually lessened the sentence), and the maximum penalty for "regular" molestation is now 6 years. This was a direct response to the rapefugee case a year ago.

So yeah, better late then never, I guess.
 

Azovka

I coulda been a contender
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Right, time for an autistic slapfight. Let's compare russkis with kebab:

  • We've fought Russians literally for a 1000 years. They conquered us once (1809-1917), tried to destroy Finnish culture and were only stopped with terrorist attacks and later by the Russian Empire collapsing, defeated us twice in WW 2, bombed our cities, stole our lands and turned huge numbers of people into refugees, forced us to pay billions in reparations, and kept us pretty much as a puppet state from 1945 to 1991.
  • Many Russian politicians openly say Finland's a part of Russia, and recent events show they're not afraid to use military force to conquer areas.
  • Russia uses all kinds of bullshit (from blocking roads to economic sanctions) to hinder Finnish trade, if Putin's not happy with us.
  • Russian jets violate Finnish airspace constantly to test our air defenses, and they do all kinds of military exercises a stone's throw from the border.
  • Russians buy land near military bases to build spy installations. This is actually happening, not tin foil bullshit.
  • Russia has 10 nuclear subs, 22 tactical subs, ~50 ships, 200 fighter jets, tens of thousands of infantrymen, airborne troops, spetsnaz, tank brigades and whatnot stationed near Finland. During the Cold War these were called "the troops of peace".
  • The majority of immigrants to Finland are Russians.
  • Kebabs have been a nuisance for 15 years now.
  • There's maybe 70000 Muslims in Finland. They're unarmed, live mostly on government handouts in shitty commie block suburbs, and could be rounded up in a weekend and stored in a single sports stadium if the government decided to nazi things up. They're also easy to spot and can't speak Finnish for the most part.
  • About 5000 rapefugees try to get to the country per year, 40% of them are accepted. During the 2015 migrant crisis the amount of people was about 35k, but about half of them were kicked out instantly, and the rest are being returned slowly to their shitholes.
  • There are new laws for "forcefully ejecting" rapefugees from the country.
  • A kebab tried to immolate himself at a police station like a week ago, because his permit was rejected. What a cuck.
  • Rapefugees rape a lot (about 10-20 times more rapists than Finns, (aside from Laestadians)), and have done one terrorist attack (2 dead, 7 injured). The terrorist was shot in the thigh, arrested, and is getting sentenced next month. More on this as it develops.
Fun fact: those who hate kebabs also hate the russkis, and those who love mudslimes also think Russia's the bestest. There are very few people who are against kebab but pro-Russia.

tl;dr Russia is, has been, and always will be the main threat to Finland. Worrying about kebabs is like crying about a shitstain on the carpet when the house is going to catch on fire.
Quick reminder that Finland allied with the Nazis during WW2 to reclaim their “stolen lands” so your argument about Russia being evil falls flat when Finland literally supported Hitler to get back part of a region nobody ultimately really cared about.

Finland helped murder Jews during WW2
Finland investigates involvement of 1.4k citizens in SS war crimes
Why Finland allied itself with Nazi Germany

Imagine being outraged at having to “pay war reparations” for the small mistake of allying with Nazis. Finland just did an oopsie.
Again not saying that the Soviet Union was any better, but it’s kind of hard to argue that it was worse when your country got chummy with Hitler.

Also, Russia lost the Winter war, and got spectacularly owned, so if anyone should play the victim, it’s them.

As for Russian interference to this present day, most of it is no doubt exaggerated. It’s pretty en vogue to blame Russia for everything these days.
Not saying it doesn’t exist - it does. But in between Russia not wanting NATO bases close to their border, and Muslim refugees making child rape gangs akin to the UK in your streets, I’d be more worried about the latter.

That little 10 year old being raped isn’t the only recent case of immigrants following Mohammed’s teachings about sleeping with children a bit too closely.
9 immigrant men suspected of grooming children in Oulu
Oulu police probe four new cases of under-age sex abuse

Perpetrated by “foreign-background men with poor Finnish skills”.
What a very woke way to describe Muslim refugees. It’s almost on par with the “Asian men” description for the UK Paki rape gangs.

And yes, Russia has the exact same problem. Hell, in Chechnya, women don’t have the right to gossip on social media without being publicly punished by the authorities. Or go outside without a hijab.

But taking the moral high road when your own country has similar issues is pretty disingenuous.
Not to mention that, if Russia decides to expand and reconquer threir lost Empire, they’d start with the Baltic, not with Finland.

Not sure if Russia or Muslim immigrants are the biggest cultural threat to Finland either.
Though when the founding and arguably very important literary works of your nation are written in Swedish, it begs to ask why aren’t you more outraged about that than the perceived Russian erasure of your culture.

It’s just like Ukraine boasting about all these proud 19th century nationalist authors when they wrote their prose in Russian.

(And I’ve read the “greatest Finnish novel ever written”, the one that served to further the idea of Finnish culture.
It’s literally about brothers drinking and chilling in sauna. Please.)

I’m saying all that as someone that does think Finland is way better than Russia in social terms. Your welfare policies are on point (though not ultimately sustainable), and the country’s infrastructures are in way better shape.
Living in Finland for your average person is better than your equivalent in Russia - less corruption, more security and guarantees of a minimum standard of living... Which is also why it is a popular emigration destination for Russians that aren’t rich enough to afford proper Western European countries like France, the UK, Germany etc.

But man is your culture and country boring, with most of it being summed up in - war realism books, daily life sauna books, books in Swedish, Ievan Polka, and people still believing that Ukko is angry and unplugging their fridges when there’s thunder in the countryside. (Personal opinion, feel free to disagree).

Edit: Yes, some Russian politicians say Finland is part of Russia. They also say that Alaska is part of Russia too. Russian nationalism is just as autistic as Finland’s one.
Here’s what local politicians do with government budget.

Translation: Uncle Vova (nickname for Putin) , we’re with you
with such great lyrics as “getting Alaska and Ukraine and the Baltic shores back into the motherland’s haven”, “children going to war for Putin”, “our best friends are the navy and the army”, etc.
Made by a Congresswoman from the Duma (Russian Parliament) btw.
 
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Medicated

Not the fun kind
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Is there a less shitty source? Not that I don't believe that Euro fags are cucked to hell but I can't find this story anywhere else than RT and the link to the alleged original Finish source is a 404.
Of course it's 404, Finland is part of the EU.
 

HeyYou

seriousposter
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Quick reminder that Finland allied with the Nazis during WW2 to reclaim their “stolen lands” so your argument about Russia being evil falls flat when Finland literally supported Hitler to get back part of a region nobody ultimately really cared about.

Finland helped murder Jews during WW2
Finland investigates involvement of 1.4k citizens in SS war crimes
Why Finland allied itself with Nazi Germany

Imagine being outraged at having to “pay war reparations” for the small mistake of allying with Nazis. Finland just did an oopsie.
Again not saying that the Soviet Union was any better, but it’s kind of hard to argue that it was worse when your country got chummy with Hitler.

Also, Russia lost the Winter war, and got spectacularly owned, so if anyone should play the victim, it’s them.

As for Russian interference to this present day, most of it is no doubt exaggerated. It’s pretty en vogue to blame Russia for everything these days.
Not saying it doesn’t exist - it does. But in between Russia not wanting NATO bases close to their border, and Muslim refugees making child rape gangs akin to the UK in your streets, I’d be more worried about the latter.

That little 10 year old being raped isn’t the only recent case of immigrants following Mohammed’s teachings about sleeping with children a bit too closely.
9 immigrant men suspected of grooming children in Oulu
Oulu police probe four new cases of under-age sex abuse

Perpetrated by “foreign-background men with poor Finnish skills”.
What a very woke way to describe Muslim refugees. It’s almost on par with the “Asian men” description for the UK Paki rape gangs.

And yes, Russia has the exact same problem. Hell, in Chechnya, women don’t have the right to gossip on social media without being publicly punished by the authorities. Or go outside without a hijab.

But taking the moral high road when your own country has similar issues is pretty disingenuous.
Not to mention that, if Russia decides to expand and reconquer threir lost Empire, they’d start with the Baltic, not with Finland.

Not sure if Russia or Muslim immigrants are the biggest cultural threat to Finland either.
Though when the founding and arguably very important literary works of your nation are written in Swedish, it begs to ask why aren’t you more outraged about that than the perceived Russian erasure of your culture.

It’s just like Ukraine boasting about all these proud 19th century nationalist authors when they wrote their prose in Russian.

(And I’ve read the “greatest Finnish novel ever written”, the one that served to further the idea of Finnish culture.
It’s literally about brothers drinking and chilling in sauna. Please.)

I’m saying all that as someone that does think Finland is way better than Russia in social terms. Your welfare policies are on point (though not ultimately sustainable), and the country’s infrastructures are in way better shape.
Living in Finland for your average person is better than your equivalent in Russia - less corruption, more security and guarantees of a minimum standard of living... Which is also why it is a popular emigration destination for Russians that aren’t rich enough to afford proper Western European countries like France, the UK, Germany etc.

But man is your culture and country boring, with most of it being summed up in - war realism books, daily life sauna books, books in Swedish, Ievan Polka, and people still believing that Ukko is angry and unplugging their fridges when there’s thunder in the countryside. (Personal opinion, feel free to disagree).

Edit: Yes, some Russian politicians say Finland is part of Russia. They also say that Alaska is part of Russia too. Russian nationalism is just as autistic as Finland’s one.
Here’s what local politicians do with government budget.

Translation: Uncle Vova (nickname for Putin) , we’re with you
with such great lyrics as “getting Alaska and Ukraine and the Baltic shores back into the motherland’s haven”, “children going to war for Putin”, “our best friends are the navy and the army”, etc.
Made by a Congresswoman from the Duma (Russian Parliament) btw.
"No doubt most of it is exaggerated". Alright, rapefugees are pretty bad, but don't get too high on your own farts Ruski.
 

Azovka

I coulda been a contender
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"No doubt most of it is exaggerated". Alright, rapefugees are pretty bad, but don't get too high on your own farts Ruski.
Did you even read what I wrote? Russia isn’t any better.
Just wanted to correct the unfounded statements and QQ about “omg lost lands” when Finland joined the Nazis to get them back and thus forfeited any claim of innocence and moral high ground.

And yes for the “exaggerated Russian meddling” part. Whatever interference they do is mostly to avoid NATO getting bases close to their borders (yet another reason why your current talks about joining NATO will most likely fail).
Otherwise, doubt anyone would consider Finland to be in the “sphere of influence” of Russia. Yes, they have economic ties, but culture and approval-wise? Hell, no.

Yes, poor russians attacking Finland and getting owned. They are the real victims here.
I just meant it in the sense that the losers should be the ones crying, if anything. Especially when they really did fail spectacularly. 3 times more casualties for a war of aggression against a country whose military is now a joke? Yeah, that’s pretty rough.
 

HeyYou

seriousposter
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Did you even read what I wrote? Russia isn’t any better.
Just wanted to correct the unfounded statements and QQ about “omg lost lands” when Finland joined the Nazis to get them back and thus forfeited any claim of innocence and moral high ground.

And yes for the “exaggerated Russian meddling” part. Whatever interference they do is mostly to avoid NATO getting bases close to their borders (yet another reason why your current talks about joining NATO will most likely fail).
Otherwise, doubt anyone would consider Finland to be in the “sphere of influence” of Russia. Yes, they have economic ties, but culture and approval-wise? Hell, no.
I'm not Finnish. I'm pointing out that you're ignoring the countless shit Russia has pulled in Eastern Europe. The only reason they haven't pulled it in Finland is because NATO and the UN would care more there than it does about Ukraine. Russian election hacking has become a meme but RT is unabashedly trying to cause division here. It changes sides depending on the issue to attack America, from making antifa look bad to suddenly supporting Maduro. Honestly, no, I don't blame Finland for being wary about Russia.
 

Traummaschine

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I just meant it in the sense that the losers should be the ones crying, if anything. Especially when they really did fail spectacularly. 3 times more casualties for a war of aggression against a country whose military is now a joke? Yeah, that’s pretty rough.
Yes, Soviet could cry a bit of shame, but as for playing victims they aren't any more entitled than the country that first lost some land after being attacked by Soviet, and then later was part of the losing side in WW2 and had to pay reparations to the same Soviet.

That being said, they got pretty cheaply out of it compared to f.ex the Baltic countries who didn't manage to defend themselves when Soviet came for them.
 

Azovka

I coulda been a contender
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I'm not Finnish. I'm pointing out that you're ignoring the countless shit Russia has pulled in Eastern Europe. The only reason they haven't pulled it in Finland is because NATO and the UN would care more there than it does about Ukraine. Russian election hacking has become a meme but RT is unabashedly trying to cause division here. It changes sides depending on the issue to attack America, from making antifa look bad to suddenly supporting Maduro. Honestly, no, I don't blame Finland for being wary about Russia.
I’m not blaming Finland for being wary of Russia either? They’re completely in the right to be, especially with Putin’s current imperialistic vision, and their past rocky relationship with the country. #MakeRussiaGreatAgain and all that.

Just check out the video I linked in my first post. It’s military school children singing about how they’ll reconquer all the former Russian territories, including Finland, the Baltic countries, the islands they lost to Japan, and Alaska. And all that sponsored and produced by Russian congressmen.

However, I do think a lot of it is exaggerated. Like, you’re talking about a country that can’t even covertly deliver missiles to the Donbass region in Ukraine without being spotted and exposed by dozens of civilians.
Yes, Russia does try to run interference in neighbouring countries, but it’s nowhere near as spectacular or evil as people make it out to be.
Especially in a country that’s famous for not liking Russia in the first place. (Other claims to fame are depression, alcoholism, saunas, and social awkwardness).

Same goes for the troll farms, meddling in the US election, UK poisonings etc. (Again, you’re talking about a country whose secret services couldn’t even succeed in poisoning an elderly man... though given that Skripal hasn’t made any public appearances since his poisoning, I wouldn’t actually put it past it the UK to just be covering up his death).

And seeing all this hysteria about those evil Russians when your country (and by “your” I mean in general, not yours specifically) starts having the same Muslim mass immigration problem and consequences (rape, cultural segregation) as Sweden does is just disingenuous.

Hell, in the mid to long term, we’re talking about the very socio-economic model of Finland being endangered here, not just 10 year old girls.
The system relies on extremely high taxes, and consequently very high social benefits, unemployment pay, free healthcare etc. And that works because
  1. The population isn’t high, and is stable (which is also why this model would never work in the US despite what AOC says)
  2. There’s enough rich working people paying taxes to fund it all
With mass immigration, the birth rates will increase. As will the unemployment rate, which means less taxes for a way higher population. Good luck getting your free baby packages then..

Like, and again this is a personal opinion, Finland would be more likely to collapse due to mass Muslim immigration than from Russian influence.

Edit: Regarding Russian interference in Venezuela, Russians aren’t so much pro-Maduro as they are anti-US. And given that Guaido is an American puppet, the choice is pretty simple, really.
 
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