World First Democratic Debates - Night one dicussion ends at pg41

Who won the second debate?

  • Bernie Sanders

  • Eric Swalwell

  • "Sleepy" Joe Biden

  • Kamala Harris

  • Marianne Williamson

  • Pete Buttplug

  • Michael Bennet

  • John Hickenlooper

  • Kirsten Gillibrand

  • Andrew Yang


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Your Weird Fetish

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I don't remember the moderators asking if Tulsi Gabbard put plants in the audience or not, but what a stupid question. Like the DNC and their media allies would let Tulsi Gabbard of all people spike their punch bowl. Kamala Harris is the one who had plants, if anybody did.
In any case it's also a stupid question because anyone that would be able to put a bunch of plants in the audience wouldn't be stupid enough to say "Oh yeah, I put plants here to cheer for me."
 

2WokeB4BrainPills

doc said I was just 2 damn woke
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What the fuck has become of the left when they want a prosecutor, the very symbol of injustice of the state to be the state? Fuck me. Where does she rank in the Intersectional Olympics, putting black men away for weed? Shouldn't she be called an uncle Tom? Oh no, she's against Trump so it's all ok now.
You are right of course, prosecutors are often some of the most unjust elements of our justice system. I honestly haven't looked much into her beyond knowing about her affair with Willie Brown, but that alone tells you everything you need to know. She typifies the worst of them: 100% striver, hyper-ambitious, win-at-all-costs, even at the cost of slobberin Willie's willie. If she's stooped to that she's crushed little people and made numerous dirty deals to get where she is, all without a second thought. No coincidence she was Clinton's chosen, they're birds of a feather and she's clearly made some promises.

For the left actions don't matter, only identity matters, and she checks several important identity boxes.

Well... I say that, but if you fall from grace then actions matter a whole bunch. After that a long list of all your naughty actions will magically start appearing in the media, as Uncle Joe is finding out.

It absolutely does, and even the Progressives mocked these asshats. They never really went away after 2008. The funniest such cluster of such tards were the PUMA crowd, who got themselves banned from many left-wing communities en masse (Dailykos in particular is hilarious).

Here's the not-completely-insane Progressive take on it, openly making fun of how racist they were.
This was an interesting read, thanks. It's nice to see glimpses of lucidity from the left, rare as they are. Although funny that they think Obama just... magically rode into town and just whooped her cause he was so durn naturally talented. :story:

Yeah, no. Nothing about the DNC isn't decided from the top, as 2016 should have made clear to all. The majority of the string pullers and money-men in 2008 voted 'no confidence" in Hilldawg 4 president. Even then they knew she sucked at campaigning, so they found a pliable empty suit who could speak well and put out the marching orders that he was gonna be the one.
 

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I didn't know what PUMA stood for before that article but I do know it got backronymed to "Party Unity My Ass." 25 percent of people that voted for Hillary Clinton in the primary voted for John McCain or third party in 2008, the rate of desertion for the "Bernie Bros" was a little bit under half that at 12 percent. I'm wondering if the progressives get burned again and smell a rat and the fix is in, if there isn't a Party Unity My Ass movement to stay home or vote third party comparable to the first wave PUMAs? That was speculated in 2016 but didn't come to pass in 2016, what do you suppose the likelihood of that happening in 2020 is?
 

Slimy Time

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Both debates were a complete and utter joke. A complete meme factory. Between Beto and his constant Spanish, which is not only an obvious attempt to pander and LARP to latinos, but downright insulting, to the absolute disaster of a performance by their leading man, Joe Biden, a guy who got smoked by Swalwell of all people with his "pass the torch" putdown, as well as Kamala ripping him a new one, to allegations and strong evidence of bias and mic muting of outlier candidates like Yang, the party might as well just throw in the towel and give Trump another 4 years. They are a fucking cult and some of the biggest piles of lying scum you have ever seen on television.
 

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This was an interesting read, thanks. It's nice to see glimpses of lucidity from the left, rare as they are. Although funny that they think Obama just... magically rode into town and just whooped her cause he was so durn naturally talented. :story:

Yeah, no. Nothing about the DNC isn't decided from the top, as 2016 should have made clear to all. The majority of the string pullers and money-men in 2008 voted 'no confidence" in Hilldawg 4 president. Even then they knew she sucked at campaigning, so they found a pliable empty suit who could speak well and put out the marching orders that he was gonna be the one.
You're spot on. A lot of people fail to notice that the DNC has always done this. Ask anyone who backed Howard Dean. But what we've been seeing recently, where just everything is blatant and obvious? That's new, and that started in 2008. The DNC has always been a corrupt shit-show, but things got interesting that year. The Clinton war machine was making it clear Hillary intended to run for president back in 2002, when she ran for Senator, and likewise making it abundantly clear that anyone who ran against her was going to be crushed in the same electoral cycle. Considering that she was the darling of the DNC, she should have cruised to victory, but that's not what happened in practice - she was easily the single-least-popular Democrat of the initial spread, and the same year she was running there was someone far more charismatic, just as useful to the establishment, and with actual populist support, so Hillary herself got Dean'd.

If there has ever been a need to demonstrate why the entire leadership of the DNC deserves to be strapped to a wall and shot, it's been the last decade and a half.
 

AGreatDipAtAFairPrice

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President Trump's re-election chances are at their highest ever according to the prediction websites and the gambling books after the debate fiasco. Debates are scheduled for July, September, October, November, December with January to April TBA. The democrats haven't seemed to schedule too many debates. It seemed like every third week there was a Republican one, just debate after debate after debate, but they appear to be hiding themselves.

The first caucuses don't happen until February so they have more than ample time to beclown themselves. I don't think time is on their side. They could win with one of these candidates as Generic Left-Wing Option but its more than a year out and the whole slate looks like weirdos and stooges right now already, so imagine what people will be thinking about them after another 6 or 7 debates?
 

CheezzyMach

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Their meltdowns over Trump and acting like the voterbase is children who cannot be trusted to make its own decisions are nothing new. They did this in 2008 as well when Obama cinched the nomination, and @AnOminous can back me up with how hard they chimped at the time. Hillary's supporters were enraged by the fact that this uppity negro had cinched the nomination, and many fired from the hip with rants that wouldn't have gone amiss on /pol/. It was fucking hilarious, and some outrageous examples of quality sperg-rage.

Thing is, that let me realize something: The progtards will not negotiate. They didn't in 2008, they didn't in 2016, and they won't in 2020. If they don't get absolutely everything they want, they'll chimp until you concede, and if you don't, they'll keep at it, looking worse and worse, until they get BTFO.
Only question is will the BTFOing happen in 2020 if Trump wins or will we need another Bush Sr in 2024?
 

Hellbound Hellhound

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How does one become popular without being liked? Being less unpopular than everyone else necessitates being less disliked than everyone else.
I never said a successful candidate doesn't have to be liked, only that they don't necessarily have to be liked by the majority.

Due to the way that potential candidates are selected in the US (although this is true for most other democratic systems as well), there often has to be a lot of political compromises along the way in order for them to have a feasible path to election, and the practical upshot of this is that it can often result in candidates who are not very satisfactory to most people, but nonetheless more palatable than all the alternatives.

Moreover, under a first-past-the-post voting system like the one in the US, this is exacerbated further by the way that such systems overwhelmingly tend to present voters with a binary choice. People will happily vote for a candidate they dislike in order to prevent a candidate they dislike even more from getting elected.
 

Iwasamwillbe

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I never said a successful candidate doesn't have to be liked, only that they don't necessarily have to be liked by the majority.

Due to the way that potential candidates are selected in the US (although this is true for most other democratic systems as well), there often has to be a lot of political compromises along the way in order for them to have a feasible path to election, and the practical upshot of this is that it can often result in candidates who are not very satisfactory to most people, but nonetheless more palatable than all the alternatives.

Moreover, under a first-past-the-post voting system like the one in the US, this is exacerbated further by the way that such systems overwhelmingly tend to present voters with a binary choice. People will happily vote for a candidate they dislike in order to prevent a candidate they dislike even more from getting elected.
This seems...reasonable, actually.
 
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They never have negotiated in history if you look back on it. It's either their way or nothing else.
Weimar Germany is the perfect example of this. Communists and Socialists were causing so much a ruckus that that the government had to give the Freikorps free reign to knock their teeth in. In part, their unwillingness to accept that people aren't wholly into the the whole being a communist state thing played a part in why the NSDAP grew in popularity from a fringe, no-name party to one with the power to at least form a coalition government and shove in a representative into the government uppermost executive position outside Chancellor. One Adolf Hitler to be exact.
An earlier example would be the liquidation of the mensheviks, liberals, and social democrats by the bolsheviks. It took me a long time to see through it and alter my political allegiance, but that "we want your soul and nothing less" mentality of the left is baked into the cake, so to speak. Orwell pointed it out repeatedly in his works, and it certainly was blatantly shown with O'Brien and Smith in MINILUV.

IMO, Portland should start calling itself Airstrip Two, just to be honest about it all.
 

BR55

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I'm still confused at how they plan to sell higher taxes to pay for illegals healthcare to the masses?

They are aware that America is just more then California and Oregon right...?
Well you see the polls say people hate Drumpf so literally any asshole with a D next to their name could beat him no matter what they believe.
Which worked out great for John Kerry and Mitt Romney if you recall...
 

neverendingmidi

it just goes on and on and on and on...
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You're spot on. A lot of people fail to notice that the DNC has always done this. Ask anyone who backed Howard Dean. But what we've been seeing recently, where just everything is blatant and obvious? That's new, and that started in 2008. The DNC has always been a corrupt shit-show, but things got interesting that year. The Clinton war machine was making it clear Hillary intended to run for president back in 2002, when she ran for Senator, and likewise making it abundantly clear that anyone who ran against her was going to be crushed in the same electoral cycle. Considering that she was the darling of the DNC, she should have cruised to victory, but that's not what happened in practice - she was easily the single-least-popular Democrat of the initial spread, and the same year she was running there was someone far more charismatic, just as useful to the establishment, and with actual populist support, so Hillary herself got Dean'd.

If there has ever been a need to demonstrate why the entire leadership of the DNC deserves to be strapped to a wall and shot, it's been the last decade and a half.
Minor correction, she ran for Senator in 2000. She literally stepped from the White House to Congress, after the DNC "suggested" that the New York senator step down for his health. She was planning on 6 years in the Senate as a generic democrat, so she could at least claim to have been elected once in her life as something, rather than just being Billy Jeff's wife, before going into campaigning as of 2006 and gracefully stepping back into the White House as First Woman President.

I will never stop laughing about how she was made Secretary of State just to keep her from deliberately trying to sabotage Obama. Now accidental sabotage...
 
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