Food Stamp (SNAP) Revocations - Sombody's gotta feed my five kids.

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ForTheHoard

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I just realize the people with carts of twinkies and faygo are the ones who run out of benefits and go hungry half the month. They're only hurting themselves. I know people like that, I also know people who budget, and use them wisely and eat for the whole month.

And I know a guy that sells his and his girlfriend's EBT card for 70 cent on the dollar, buys heroin, then resells it for a profit. If he starts getting sent boxes of food every month, he's gonna have a hard time flipping them for dope.
 

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If you'd prefer to go on paying tribute to imaginary Danes instead of looking for solutions, less power to you, I suppose.
We're having a disagreement, but that is a great line that I will eventually steal.

If you are going to lay down rules/laws to govern how the poor get/use aid, you have to first understand that lumping all of them into "the poors" means you can only issue rules and laws that are as equally unfocused and blunt. Jews and Muslims might not eat non-kosher. Hindus might not consume beef. Food allergies. Digestive health issues. Vegetarians. All these diverse pains in the ass will be included in the group seeking aid. So, do you establish a Department of the Food Box, keeping tabs on what each poor should be getting every month according to their dietary needs/religion/other? Do you set up a call center to answer questions and complaints about Food Box when things go invariably wrong? Who appoints Food Box Director and how long does he keep his office? How much should we allocate for a special counsel when the inevitable Food Box scandal happens and Unilever has been found bribing the shit out of everyone in the Food Box Department?

Or do you just give these poor fuckers $200 in credit to spend on food in a supermarket every month and not worry about less than $1 billion in fraud for a $60 billion program?
 

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And I know a guy that sells his and his girlfriend's EBT card for 70 cent on the dollar, buys heroin, then resells it for a profit. If he starts getting sent boxes of food every month, he's gonna have a hard time flipping them for dope.
Just because some birds are black doesn't mean every bird is invariably a black bird. People are gonna do shitty things. He'll just find another way to do what he does. Perhaps something even more detrimental to society than welfare fraud. Punishing good people with the bad is never the answer.
 

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We're having a disagreement, but that is a great line that I will eventually steal.

If you are going to lay down rules/laws to govern how the poor get/use aid, you have to first understand that lumping all of them into "the poors" means you can only issue rules and laws that are as equally unfocused and blunt. Jews and Muslims might not eat non-kosher. Hindus might not consume beef. Food allergies. Digestive health issues. Vegetarians. All these diverse pains in the ass will be included in the group seeking aid. So, do you establish a Department of the Food Box, keeping tabs on what each poor should be getting every month according to their dietary needs/religion/other? Do you set up a call center to answer questions and complaints about Food Box when things go invariably wrong? Who appoints Food Box Director and how long does he keep his office? How much should we allocate for a special counsel when the inevitable Food Box scandal happens and Unilever has been found bribing the shit out of everyone in the Food Box Department?

Or do you just give these poor fuckers $200 in credit to spend on food in a supermarket every month and not worry about less than $1 billion in fraud for a $60 billion program?

The only legitimate claim there is severe allergy.

They should just get used to bread and beans and be fucking thankful for it. The rest of the world doesn't even get that privilage.
 

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The only legitimate claim there is severe allergy.

They should just get used to bread and beans and be fucking thankful for it. The rest of the world doesn't even get that privilage.

So because Africans suffer, the poor of the "greatest country in the world" should as well? We should strive to be a third world nation?
 

Viridian

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So because Africans suffer, the poor of the "greatest country in the world" should as well? We should strive to be a third world nation?

Yeah! Fuck the working poor for working 60+ hour weeks while not making a living wage! Fuck the elderly for getting old! Fuck the disabled for being disabled! Fuck children for being too young to work and having the misfortune to be born to potentially shitty parents! A bunch of edgelord neckbeards living in their parents' basements think they don't deserve to eat, so they should starve!

/massivesarcasmquotes
 

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Yeah! Fuck the working poor for working 60+ hour weeks while not making a living wage! Fuck the elderly for getting old! Fuck the disabled for being disabled! Fuck children for being too young to work and having the misfortune to be born to potentially shitty parents! A bunch of edgelord neckbeards living in their parents' basements think they don't deserve to eat, so they should starve!

/massivesarcasmquotes
We've had it all wrong. Instead of trying to help build other countries up into not being shitholes, we should lower ourselves into being one! Quick get rid of our abundant clean water, and medical supplies!
 

ForTheHoard

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Just because some birds are black doesn't mean every bird is invariably a black bird. People are gonna do shitty things. He'll just find another way to do what he does. Perhaps something even more detrimental to society than welfare fraud. Punishing good people with the bad is never the answer.

I’m not and never have said that everyone on food assistance is defrauding the taxpayers, but enough are that it is a recordable statistic. I also don’t see how giving someone food instead of money for food is punishing anyone except the people that use their EBT to buy things other than what it’s meant for. The current system has little to no accountability on the part of the receipient in terms of using their EBT as it’s supposed to be. People have tried to investigate welfare fraud for a couple decades now, but there isn’t a method to investigate fraud in the current system without being invasive in the personal lives on those receiving benefits, and it always causes a racial outcry because of the disperportionate number of black and Hispanic people using assistance. The program is still going to do what it was intended to do, but in a way that minimizes abuse by people that aren’t using the money for food. Federal assistance is far from a perfect system, therefor you’re not going to find a perfect solution, but this one seems a little more watertight than the last.
 

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I’m not and never have said that everyone on food assistance is defrauding the taxpayers, but enough are that it is a recordable statistic. I also don’t see how giving someone food instead of money for food is punishing anyone except the people that use their EBT to buy things other than what it’s meant for. The current system has little to no accountability on the part of the receipient in terms of using their EBT as it’s supposed to be. People have tried to investigate welfare fraud for a couple decades now, but there isn’t a method to investigate fraud in the current system without being invasive in the personal lives on those receiving benefits, and it always causes a racial outcry because of the disperportionate number of black and Hispanic people using assistance. The program is still going to do what it was intended to do, but in a way that minimizes abuse by people that aren’t using the money for food. Federal assistance is far from a perfect system, therefor you’re not going to find a perfect solution, but this one seems a little more watertight than the last.
My problem isn't so much the idea of giving people food directly as I am about the quality of the food that's being discussed. Powdered mi.lk and canned food (canned meat is especially fucking gross) are fine in an emergency but as a monthly staple are bullshit. If it was fresh, good, food it would be fine, but I wouldn't wish the garbage they're talking about on anyone except maybe convicts.
 

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What exactly is wrong with food boxes?
Aside from the fact that the poor would no longer be able to spend money/trade as they please - which they have no right to do - what's wrong with providing staples?
I know this may hurt some progressive feefees, but it's not some kind of human right to eat whatever shit you like.
You eat to survive and make the best out of what you have. :story: This is why you're all fucking fat.
 

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What exactly is wrong with food boxes?
Aside from the fact that the poor would no longer be able to spend money/trade as they please - which they have no right to do - what's wrong with providing staples?
I know this may hurt some progressive feefees, but it's not some kind of human right to eat whatever shit you like.
You eat to survive and make the best out of what you have. :story: This is why you're all fucking fat.
So our working poor and disabled people should get shittier food than most prisons and jails serve?:thinking:
 
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