Foreign Media, Gaming, and Authoritarian Ethnic Nationalism -

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KimCoppolaAficionado

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So I've been thinking about this for a while, and I've noticed something that's pretty common among the Alt-Right/Neoreactionary/WN/whatever-you-want-to-call-them space in the Internet (specifically the anglophonic internet). You have these people who talk about how multiculturalism is an insidious poison, modern society is going down the drain and full of degeneracy, and we need to convert to some kind of heavily authoritarian blood-and-soil nationalist government to return to the best or correct path for our people; who also are really into video gaming and foreign media (typically anime). To me, there seems like there's a lot of contradictions involved in this sort of mindset, for the reasons outlined below:
-Anime is degenerate. I don't really believe in the idea of "degeneracy"personally, but based on my study of far-right social and political theory, the overwhelming majority of anime is antisocial and degenerate with their focus on primitive sexuality, homosexual subtext, the idea of moral grey areas, and in many cases promoting of incest, bestiality (e.g. catgirls), or fetishistic content.
-Ignoring these by-point examples, in a white ethnostate any anime is inherently degenerate, as its consumption is multicultural. Ethnonationalistic ideology requires that forms of art not produced by members of the state must be shunned as inferior by definition, as it is made in a foreign context and with foreign values and ideas in mind and therefore will not be compatible with the distinct spirit and character of the native peoples. The embrace of foreign media will degrade the identity of the people and endanger the homogeneity of the state.
-Gaming is also inherently degenerate. Gaming is a non-productive form of entertainment that encourages passivity over work or development of useful personal skills. Even with film one can at least appreciate cinematographic technique. One could argue that games have a superior ability to draw in and indoctrinate the people, as the ultimate purpose of art in an authoritarian state is as propaganda to reinforce and promote the values of the nation, but the vast majority of gaming genres (puzzle, horror, simulator, etc.) do not lend themselves to use as propaganda. Far more "gamers" build an identity around their media consumption than other forms of media, and that sort of subcultural identity is inherently a threat to the homogeneity and stability of the state. And gaming tends to be a very multicultural market, which is a further threat to homogeneity.

My question is twofold:
-Am I missing something here? Is it possible to be a major fan of a foreign media genre or video gaming, be an advocate for a fascist/authoritarian/whatever-you-want-to-call-it ethnostate, and maintain a consistent set of beliefs?
-If a Western nation became an authoritarian ethnostate, how would these "degenerate" media (and degenerate media in general) be dealt with? Given the internet and increasingly decentralized nature of communication, could they be dealt with?
 

KimCoppolaAficionado

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"Ethnonationalistic ideology requires that forms of art not produced by members of the state must be shunned as inferior by definition"
Why? Conquerers take what they want from inferior cultures by right and discard the rest.
As I outlined above, foreign cultures are inherently foreign, and anything they produce will be de facto and de forma incompatible with the national culture. The concept of racial purity and the connection between this and the culture and ideology of the people (culture is downstream from biology, etc.) is a cornerstone of ethnic nationalism. There is also the consideration that according to those ideologies that adopt supremacist views, inferior cultures and the things they produce cannot have an appeal superior to those of native products, in the same way a monkey cannot make a better film than a human.
 

KimCoppolaAficionado

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You put more thought into their ideology than they have.

If that doesn't give you pause, I implore you to reflect on that.
I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to understand things from their perspective, instead of just reflexively rejecting them. I realize that makes me a bit of an anomaly.
 

Don Herbert

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As I outlined above, foreign cultures are inherently foreign, and anything they produce will be de facto and de forma incompatible with the national culture. The concept of racial purity and the connection between this and the culture and ideology of the people (culture is downstream from biology, etc.) is a cornerstone of ethnic nationalism. There is also the consideration that according to those ideologies that adopt supremacist views, inferior cultures and the things they produce cannot have an appeal superior to those of native products, in the same way a monkey cannot make a better film than a human.
That's a stupid argument and I don't know who holds the position that you're assigning to them.
Even if I wanted all the Taco-Americans physically removed behind the Great Trump Wall, there's no reason the ethnostate couldn't trade for cervezas and guacamole with them afterwards.
I might think that Massachusetts is objectively better than Florida, for instance, but that doesn't mean that I couldn't choose to live there and import oranges.

in the same way a monkey cannot make a better film than a human.
You clearly haven't seen what has been coming out of Hollywood lately.
 

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While OP is choking on cocks, here’s an image I found of him.

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Unog

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I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to understand things from their perspective, instead of just reflexively rejecting them. I realize that makes me a bit of an anomaly.

Nah, I don't really mean it that way.

If you examine these kinds of ideologies, it becomes obvious that the ones that are obviously contradictory/already failed/idiotic (or some combination of these three) that involve either extreme authoritarianism or extreme libertarianism comes from these people wanting some kind of control.

Like with the natsoc crowd who fap to weeb shit, it's an outlet to help explain what they think they have identified as the problems causing their dissatisfaction with society. Like how plague doctors actually thought that having a bunch of potpourri stuffed in a bird-shaped mask would safeguard them against the plague, people who think shit like that have misidentified the problem yet believe that they're correct.

For example: Jews control a disproportionate amount of western media, society has been getting more "degenerate" (which I don't totally disagree with), media promotes this "degeneracy", ergo Jews = bad people who are ruining society

Commies: Rich people control a disproportionate amount of wealth, poor people get fucked over by rich people due to them being able to pay politicians to enact their agendas, ergo rich people = disgusting human piggybanks that need to be destroyed for the greater good.

You can do this with just about any extreme ideology. I'm not trying to play "le enlightened centrist" here either, extreme ideologies often have some merit to them, but when it comes to true believers they're not there for consistency, they're in it because the idea that the things they think have turned the world to shit (even though it's always been in a consistent fall into shit, like a perfect shit orbit) will go away if they can get rid of them and having a group of like-minded folks helps them cope with that.
 
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