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Sister services, email, and search will continue to be negatively effected by the attacks. I made a thread to talk about it, if you're into networking.
You're arguing with a sede. Don't expect common sense.
Guys need to really read their books more.
Best sede I ever met was a guy who insisted Paul VI was in cryosleep and would one day rise in a manner not unlike Mr Freeze to do battle against the forces of darkness and a dragon. Ya'll forgetting its axcksually John Paul I who was Satan you heathens.
I still get emails from him, I've half considered making a thread about it.
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I'm pretty active on Catholic twitter and sadly I haven't seen anything that crazy from sedes, although I have seen a lot of Feeneyism so it all works out in the end.
What trads need to understand is that it is possible to hold to trad positions liturgically, culturally and ecclesiastically and still be a heretic. Feeneyism, by essentially denying that the Penitent Thief is in Heaven, is heresy, and we need to admit that.
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What the fuck is your problem?
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Are you claiming I am in schism?
You do not accept the authority of the Pope. This makes you a schismatic.
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One more question before I pronounce very serious judgments on you. Did you read my OP?
I did. You are a schismatic in the same way Pope Michael's followers are schismatics.
You are not in a position to pronounce any form of sanction on me.
Why? He is right after all.
Even when the likes of Benedict IX was running amok selling the damn office multiple times nobody dared say he wasn't the pope, not even the guy who ended up killing him for fucking his woman.
Either the gates of hell have prevailed over the Church which your claim suggests since it has been subverted or it has not. And the Church teaches the gates of hell will never prevail.
You're a schismatic.
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It is the Church that pronounces these forthcoming sanctions, not I. I am merely a mouthpiece for Truth.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio was ipso facto, latae sententiae excommunicated with a reservation to the Holy See for paragraphs 118-120 of his document, Fratelli Tutti. This is in accord with the Decree Against Communism of 1949, promulgated by Pope Pius XII. If you do not know what communism is, I summarize it as antinomianism, which is to say, lawlessness. Paragraphs 118-120 not only reject the First, Seventh, and Ninth (or Tenth, depending on your catechesis) Commandments of the Decalogue, but advocate disobedience to Them by the faithful. Since this is a form of promulgating and defending communism, Jorge Mario Bergoglio was excommunicated for this decision of his.
In my OP, I plainly describe why Pope Benedict XVI did not resign, and in your wicked pride, you had the audacity to call me a "sede". I assume this word refers to "sedevacantist", which not only does not even apply to me, but it is a sad thing to call someone you believe to be your brother in Christ. Furthermore, if you can remotely connect the dots of logical corollaries, you should understand that God does not desire the eternal damnation of even a single human being that He has created. He gives all of us sufficient Grace to achieve the Beatific Vision. This simply means that the See cannot be vacant because it would mean that Jorge Mario Bergoglio would be certainly damned to Hell without anything he could do about it. This would be a rejection of our Lord's Petrine Promise.
If you hold that anything outside of these plainly stated facts is true, then you are either a potential schismatic heretic or mentally retarded. I really hope you are just mentally retarded. Regardless, if you obstinately adhere to following Jorge Mario Bergoglio from this point forward, and not our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, then you are in schism with the Roman Catholic Church, and latae sententiae excommunicated in accord with Canons 1364 and 751 of the Code of Canon Law. Furthermore, if you agree with paragraphs 118-120 of the document Fratelli Tutti, then you are a formal heretic.
I suggest you make the right decision and choose to not follow a communist that usurped the See of Peter. However, if you choose to do so, you will need to have this excommunication lifted by your local ordinary if you wish to rejoin the Roman Catholic Church. Until such a point, you are deprived of the Sacraments, and any communication you attempt to make with God in the Eucharist, knowing that you are excommunicated, will be a grave sacrilege that potentially excommunicates you with reservation to the Holy See in accord with Canon 1367.
And I would like to make one more suggestion to you. Get off the twitter, and stop posting stupid memes. Especially that derogatory piece of shit "Gadolig" meme that you posted in my thread. You are making yourself mentally retarded, which is a sin against the Holy Spirit, and probably the major reason you cannot reason through basic logical premises like the ones I have succinctly laid out for you here. I honestly would not be surprised if you are accidentally, by your self-inflicted mental retardation, committing sins that would be mortal if you had the mental clarity to understand what you are doing.
I hope you had a good and holy Mass this morning. Think very deeply about what I just said, and also consider bringing my claims to a priest, as I have already told you. I am willing to stand behind my claims. You, on the contrary, have done nothing except make a vain, vacant-minded statement against my person by calling me a "sede". Think about God in the Eucharist. Think about Heaven and Hell. Develop the ability of discernment. Stop pissing on the Holy Spirit.
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I would like to add one more thing to my statement, and mostly, I think it is a punctuation to my reply to you. We are celebrating Pentecost next week. Remember my last sentence in my previous reply to you, and seriously think about yourself.
"Traditional Catholicism" in the form of Sedevacantism and to a lesser extent the Society of Saint Pius X are to Catholicism what Quiverfulls and Purity Culture is to Protestantism.
A minority subculture that as a result of what they see as being marginalised has become increasingly deluded as a result of isolation from the religious mainstream.
On the whole devout mainstream Catholics tend to be a lot more in touch with reality than equally reverent followers of other denominations. I've always suspected because there's a much older and moderate academic tradition other groups tend to lack.
The "Trads" on the other hand range from "All the latin and lace is super fancy" to "DA JOOS DID CONSTANTINOPLE".
Also for some reason Trads seem to have this obsession for the Virgin Mary appearing to children in fields. While Marian apparitions have long been a thing in Catholicism, they take it to a whole other level with lots of claims of visitations by Mary the Vatican doesn't recognise.
If I was a believer I'd like to think the mother of God has better things to do than haunt schoolgirls in parks showing them pictures of people on fire.
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But Catholics are also so autistic that they bred Protestantism, not to mention the pre-reformation sects like the Fraticelli or Lollards. I’m sure there are dozens for everyone else, but Catholics really did something retarded to establish Protestants.
Due to the nature of @1864897514651 's remarks this post contains a lot of Catholic autism. If you don't want to see that scroll on past.
Fratelli Tutti was no more heretical than the distributism of the Ven. Fulton Sheen or the teachings of St Óscar Romero. Given that Sheen was recognised as venerable by Benedict XVI and that Romero was beatified by John Paul II, which you both recognise as legitimate Popes, it follows that FT cannot be heretical.
Are you a bishop? If not, you have no authority to sanction people.
This from the guy who says things like
to other Catholics.
Benedict XVI, like every other human, will die. This means that the See, by your understanding, will be vacant, which will mean that you will become a sedevacantist. I apologise for saying that you are currently a sede and instead accept that you are merely another flavour of crazy.
You seem to be trying to say that one Pope can bind another Pope and thus that the authority of the Bishop of Rome is not absolute. This is heresy and is, ironically enough, what another group of schismatics believe.
Fratelli Tutti was no more heretical than the distributism of the Ven. Fulton Sheen or the teachings of St Óscar Romero. Given that Sheen was recognised as venerable by Benedict XVI and that Romero was beatified by John Paul II, which you both recognise as legitimate Popes, it follows that FT cannot be heretical.
Do you seriously not know what Spurdo Sparde is?
I'm just imagining number man here being a neckbeard with Sabaton on in the background furiously hatejerking it to Rule 34 of the Emperor of Mankind.
I bet he's not half as forthcoming with this IRL.
Like half the schismatic ”trads” on Twitter, I'd gladly bet he takes his faith à la carte and prefers to sit at home on Sundays and days of obligation instead of go to Mass, but justifies it because ”muh Novus Ordo”.
Many trads, myself included, prefer to attend the TLM when we can in the same way that we might prefer to pray the Rosary in Latin. This does not mean that the Novus Ordo, Mass of Paul VI, or whatever you want to call it is not a Mass, because a validly ordained priest still celebrates the Holy Sacrifice of Our Lord. If you deliberately avoid going to Mass on a Sunday or a day of obligation when you can do so, for whatever reason, you are in a state of mortal sin unless you get a dispensation from your ordinary. Mortal sin, ironically enough, is a word @1864897514651 enjoys throwing around.
Here's a chicken or the egg question that I think is perfect for this thread. Are people autistic because religion is autistic or is religion autistic because people are autistic? As a Catholic myself (not trad-Cath, mind you) I think the latter.
