Furry Convention Drama - Because you can't have a couple thousand dog fucking enthusiasts under the same roof without shit hitting the fan

[stupidpieceofshit]

You can't ask for papers, but you can ask two questions:
1.) Is this animal required for a disability?
2.) What has this animal been trained to do?

More cons need to ask those questions, and ask handlers to remove misbehaving animals from con space.

I agree with you but sadly training on ESA vs Support animals (which since 2010 can only be dogs) is rare, and just cause the (often fakers) to get upset and throw a scene which corporate doesn't want (and in the rare case it is legit if done the wrong way opens them up to lawsuits / Civil Rights violations) and will just cause a shit fest on twitter (or worst national media) because people are exceptional.

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

I agree with you but sadly training on ESA vs Support animals (which since 2010 can only be dogs) is rare, and just cause the (often fakers) to get upset and throw a scene which corporate doesn't want (and in the rare case it is legit if done the wrong way opens them up to lawsuits / Civil Rights violations) and will just cause a shit fest on twitter (or worst national media) because people are exceptional.

And you...DON'T want a spotlight shone on this bullshit?

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

And you...DON'T want a spotlight shone on this bullshit?

Don't get me wrong I do want light to be shined on this BS, I hate seeing people abuse disabilities laws since it makes it harder for the legit people (same goes for the BS ADA lawsuits that people make), I am just cynical about anything actually being done because of how companies are ran and how exceptional people can be, and how the media loves to spin stories in to false narratives.

 

[LurkerDog]

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The people who run the con are idiots because they clearly DON'T know the law or how to recognize an actual service animal. I've always told people to never go to cons because they honestly care little about your safety so they can rake in those sweet NEET bucks. Seriously, the fox probably had no or fake paperwork detailing their vaccinations so if it bit someone, the animal would have to be destroyed for testing. Then you run the risk of rabies. And foxes are notoriously difficult to house train, hence why it shit all over the floor further spreading diseases.

I actually JUST had to educate someone who wanted to get a pet fox and had no idea what they were doing.

Just want to say, from what I know in the Vet field, vets can tag your pitbull as a golden retriever so you can get an apartment. Is the dog legally and visibly a pitbull? Yes. But hes tagged as a diff dog so the apartment owners cant boot them for having said pitbull.
Again though, this is just what I've heard from the vet field, I don't have any other knowledge than what is said from a vet.

 

[Local Coyote]

Just want to say, from what I know in the Vet field, vets can tag your pitbull as a golden retriever so you can get an apartment. Is the dog legally and visibly a pitbull? Yes. But hes tagged as a diff dog so the apartment owners cant boot them for having said pitbull.
Again though, this is just what I've heard from the vet field, I don't have any other knowledge than what is said from a vet.

Any vet that does that to a fox needs to have their license revoked. Foxes are not domesticated. If some mouthbreathing furry is trying to get a fox passed off as an ESA dog you know exactly what they're trying to do.

That idiot is lucky someone didn't call animal control for a wild animal clearly being neglected. The ESA thing makes me MOTI.

 

[Nef Anyo]

You can't ask for papers, but you can ask two questions:
1.) Is this animal required for a disability?
2.) What has this animal been trained to do?

More cons need to ask those questions, and ask handlers to remove misbehaving animals from con space.

Technically, yes, those are the only two questions you are allowed to ask of someone with a Service Animal. However, if you are an employer, you (or the HR department, if the job has one) can ask more questions than the aforementioned two, especially if said job requires you to have a physical done for compliance's sake. This is something most people do not realize and frankly, given how people can go from 0 to Turbo Bitch at the drop of a hat when it comes to being questioned about their "service animal", most people don't even want to try and enforce the rules, because this shit is a legal minefield. I wish I was joking.

Emotional Support animals are not covered by the ADA in any capacity (I'm sure this has been stated upthread already), rather, they are only covered under the Fair Housing Act here in the states, which means an apartment complex that doesn't allow pets would legally have to allow a person to bring their animal with them. It gets a little trickier when it comes to travel, though. In most cases, you'd have to have a doctor's note, iirc.

Boy, do I have stories to share about the gross abuse/misuse of the Service Animal/Emotional Support Animal thing, but that would put me at risk and I'm getting way off-topic here.

 

[nonnewtonian]

I am low key mad about it still because of the sheer idiocy involved. ANYONE can tell that it's a damn fox and nobody at the con wanted to do anything about it because hurr durr, the papers SAY it's a dog so it must be true! The furry in question did not care that the animal he had was experiencing extreme stress and fear as long as he can gloat that he has an exotic animal with him. STILL one of my favorite shitshows.

While stupidity did play a large role in this, I feel a lot of the staff's poor decision making came from fear of a lawsuit. The ADA attracts some of the most litigious motherfuckers out there, and there are plenty of lawyers unscrupulous and bloodthirsty enough to take on these cases. Business owners are put in a position where they must choose between being sued for millions of dollars or coughing up a few thousand to make the cantankerous cripple go away. And since the ADA bars people from demanding a disabled person prove they are in fact disabled, you get people like Arik Matatov pretending to be blind and wheelchair bound to shakedown people for tens of thousands of dollars.

A guy with big enough balls to tell people a fox is a service dog would definitely be the kind of person who would start filing legal papers if MFF had told him to get fucked. Granted they could have demanded a genetic test be performed on the animal to prove Fox McCripple was lying and win the case, but few people want to deal with the anxiety, headache, and expense of a lawsuit even if it's a slam dunk one. It would also bring up bad PR for the con.

I'm not trying to excuse MFF staff's decision to let a terrified, potentially rabid animal walk and shit around their con, but it seems like they were put in an unwinnable situation because of one cunt's need to show off.

 

[HeraldofNurgle]

While stupidity did play a large role in this, I feel a lot of the staff's poor decision making came from fear of a lawsuit. The ADA attracts some of the most litigious motherfuckers out there, and there are plenty of lawyers unscrupulous and bloodthirsty enough to take on these cases. Business owners are put in a position where they must choose between being sued for millions of dollars or coughing up a few thousand to make the cantankerous cripple go away. And since the ADA bars people from demanding a disabled person prove they are in fact disabled, you get people like Arik Matatov pretending to be blind and wheelchair bound to shakedown people for tens of thousands of dollars.

A guy with big enough balls to tell people a fox is a service dog would definitely be the kind of person who would start filing legal papers if MFF had told him to get fucked. Granted they could have demanded a genetic test be performed on the animal to prove Fox McCripple was lying and win the case, but few people want to deal with the anxiety, headache, and expense of a lawsuit even if it's a slam dunk one. It would also bring up bad PR for the con.

I'm not trying to excuse MFF staff's decision to let a terrified, potentially rabid animal walk and shit around their con, but it seems like they were put in an unwinnable situation because of one cunt's need to show off.

I am actually rather curious and ask what would be the worst type of PR for the con?

1. They tell someone with a fake service animal to fuck off resulting in being sued for discrimination, which results in long expensive court cases just for the judge to agree with the con. Couple that with people on the internet screaming about ableism and how you can't judge people because disabled people never lie.

2.Someone brings a fox to a con and it bites a bunch of people, prompting a rabies scare where con members have to go to the hospital to get shots and the animal in question is destroyed for testing. Any other animal brought has to be quarantined in case of exposure. Multiple people sue the con for breach of safety. Couple that with people on the internet screaming about animal abuse because the con didn't kick them out in time and it resulted in the animal being destroyed for rabies testing.

Personally I feel like a rabies scare would be the worst, but with this being about furies you can never count on there being logical thought processes being followed.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

I am actually rather curious and ask what would be the worst type of PR for the con?

1. They tell someone with a fake service animal to fuck off resulting in being sued for discrimination, which results in long expensive court cases just for the judge to agree with the con. Couple that with people on the internet screaming about ableism and how you can't judge people because disabled people never lie.

2.Someone brings a fox to a con and it bites a bunch of people, prompting a rabies scare where con members have to go to the hospital to get shots and the animal in question is destroyed for testing. Any other animal brought has to be quarantined in case of exposure. Multiple people sue the con for breach of safety. Couple that with people on the internet screaming about animal abuse because the con didn't kick them out in time and it resulted in the animal being destroyed for rabies testing.

Personally I feel like a rabies scare would be the worst, but with this being about furies you can never count on there being logical thought processes being followed.

It looks like a "fucked if you do, fucked if you don't scenario which could have been solved by "we ban people per our discretion" clause. That may have caused some tard rages but at many normal events that how they deal with people who are probably going to be an issue.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

It looks like a "fucked if you do, fucked if you don't scenario which could have been solved by "we ban people per our discretion" clause. That may have caused some tard rages but at many normal events that how they deal with people who are probably going to be an issue.

Until you have some one who actually has a legit/legal Service Dog who gets banned and is able to claim "They were asking me illegal questions/saying I couldn't have my service dog here in violation of the ADA".

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Until you have some one who actually has a legit/legal Service Dog who gets banned and is able to claim "They were asking me illegal questions/saying I couldn't have my service dog here in violation of the ADA".

... that's why you don't list the reason as "the service animal" but something inane, under the "per our discretion" clause.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

... that's why you don't list the reason as "the service animal" but something inane, under the "per our discretion" clause.

It could be for something all together unrelated, but all the accusers need to do is convince the court (and/or the court of public opinion) that "per our discretion" is a lie to protect the Hotel.

It happens with claims of racism too, like the star bucks thing from a few years back.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

It could be for something all together unrelated, but all the accusers need to do is convince the court (and/or the court of public opinion) that "per our discretion" is a lie to protect the Hotel.

It happens with claims of racism too, like the star bucks thing from a few years back.

IMHO, in this case in particular, I think it would fall under "you could p easily win this" if he did take it to court. A service exotic animal with little documentation where putting it in a crowd of people would clearly be detrimental to said animal is a case I would put money on the courts settling with "yea, there was reason to tell this person not to show up.

I will concede that my position is a bit

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

IMHO, in this case in particular, I think it would fall under "you could p easily win this" if he did take it to court. A service exotic animal with little documentation where putting it in a crowd of people would clearly be detrimental to said animal is a case I would put money on the courts settling with "yea, there was reason to tell this person not to show up.

I will concede that my position is a bit

Logically and legally yes since a Fox can not be a service animal per the ADA (provided its post 2010), but they had "papers" saying it was a dog, and well I can easily assume the first reaction of the front desk workers were "I'm not paid enough shit for this BS or to risk my job" if they were trained in service animals and if they were not "shit what do I do, I better not make waves".

 

[Space Lobster Bat]

Logically and legally yes since a Fox can not be a service animal per the ADA (provided its post 2010), but they had "papers" saying it was a dog, and well I can easily assume the first reaction of the front desk workers were "I'm not paid enough shit for this BS or to risk my job" if they were trained in service animals and if they were not "shit what do I do, I better not make waves".

I wouldn't be surprised at ALL if some of the staff did mention 'Hey, maybe we should ask the local police what to do about this' and they got shouted down for not wanting the police at a con because of RUMORS.

As far as I've been told, most volunteers at cons are told to not touch or confront or do ANYTHING that might make a guest upset; they're supposed to tell someone higher up on the chain and THOSE people decide what to do. Whether to kick it up higher or ignore it, or actually get someone who could do something about it. Even 'security' staff weren't supposed to do much; they're worse then mall cops.

 

[LurkerDog]

Any vet that does that to a fox needs to have their license revoked. Foxes are not domesticated. If some mouthbreathing furry is trying to get a fox passed off as an ESA dog you know exactly what they're trying to do.

That idiot is lucky someone didn't call animal control for a wild animal clearly being neglected. The ESA thing makes me MOTI.

Oh no absolutely. I dont even know who in the hell WOULD do that. But I do know its a thing. Odd thing, but a thing.

 

[Pinball 2000]

I'm surprised that we're almost 10 pages into this thread, and nobody has mentioned the story of Capital City Fur Con, which had its first event in January 2020. It was a smaller furry convention held in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (I think roughly 400-ish people showed up), and I think it didn't get nearly as much coverage in terms of furry drama due to the small attendance. Surprisingly, most of the drama surrounding it wasn't from the furries who attended but from the ineptitude of the staff (similar to Dashcon's poor planning).

I'm still trying to piece together bits of it because there's not a lot of public information on the event, but here are a few highlights (I'm currently looking for concrete evidence, so a lot of this is currently rumor and speculation):

• They chose the exact same weekend for the event as MAGfest, so a lot of furries decided they'd rather go to that.
• There were eight separate guests of honor for the event, which was arguably high by any furcon standard. My theory was that the chair had a few people lined up as backup guests, but he asked all of them at once instead of waiting and everybody accepted.
• Furries who arrived early to the hotel were apparently told: "don't suit in the hotel yet, there's a bunch of politicians staying late from the previous event and some of them are armed".
• The con almost shut down before opening ceremonies because the con staff didn't pay an outstanding bill beforehand and the hotel demanded payment (this is very similar to what happened with Dashcon). They only managed to avoid shutdown because they reached out to Uncle Kage and he helped renegotiate the contract with the hotel.
• The registration was broken for most of the first day, so the con ops let anybody anywhere without checking badges.
• The entire schedule for panels was drastically changed about an hour before opening ceremonies and nobody knew when anything was being held. It resulted in multiple panels happening with the host(s) never showing up.
• After CCFC ended, half of the staff immediately quit, and all of the remaining staff suddenly announced on social media that they were now working different positions and the chairman of the con changed like 3-4 times within 4 days. There was also mention of “debts that needed to be repaid” that was brought up several times in each announcement.
• Apparently, some of the staff and/or guests of honor who were supposed to have their hotel rooms comped got stuck paying for their room.
• There was a (now deleted) tweet from the CCFC twitter about two staff being banned for “insubordination” that I'm trying to find. I remember someone else on the staff saying this wasn't true and someone with access to the twitter being petty, but I'm still researching.

Again, I can't 100% confirm all of this since most of the drama isn't public knowledge or prominent on social media, but I'm doing some research and hopefully, I'll have a writeup later.

 

[Wheezy Asthmatic]

I'm surprised that we're almost 10 pages into this thread, and nobody has mentioned the story of Capital City Fur Con, which had its first event in January 2020. It was a smaller furry convention held in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (I think roughly 400-ish people showed up), and I think it didn't get nearly as much coverage in terms of furry drama due to the small attendance. Surprisingly, most of the drama surrounding it wasn't from the furries who attended but from the ineptitude of the staff (similar to Dashcon's poor planning).

I'm still trying to piece together bits of it because there's not a lot of public information on the event, but here are a few highlights (I'm currently looking for concrete evidence, so a lot of this is currently rumor and speculation):

• They chose the exact same weekend for the event as MAGfest, so a lot of furries decided they'd rather go to that.
• There were eight separate guests of honor for the event, which was arguably high by any furcon standard. My theory was that the chair had a few people lined up as backup guests, but he asked all of them at once instead of waiting and everybody accepted.
• Furries who arrived early to the hotel were apparently told: "don't suit in the hotel yet, there's a bunch of politicians staying late from the previous event and some of them are armed".
• The con almost shut down before opening ceremonies because the con staff didn't pay an outstanding bill beforehand and the hotel demanded payment (this is very similar to what happened with Dashcon). They only managed to avoid shutdown because they reached out to Uncle Kage and he helped renegotiate the contract with the hotel.
• The registration was broken for most of the first day, so the con ops let anybody anywhere without checking badges.
• The entire schedule for panels was drastically changed about an hour before opening ceremonies and nobody knew when anything was being held. It resulted in multiple panels happening with the host(s) never showing up.
• After CCFC ended, half of the staff immediately quit, and all of the remaining staff suddenly announced on social media that they were now working different positions and the chairman of the con changed like 3-4 times within 4 days. There was also mention of “debts that needed to be repaid” that was brought up several times in each announcement.
• Apparently, some of the staff and/or guests of honor who were supposed to have their hotel rooms comped got stuck paying for their room.
• There was a (now deleted) tweet from the CCFC twitter about two staff being banned for “insubordination” that I'm trying to find. I remember someone else on the staff saying this wasn't true and someone with access to the twitter being petty, but I'm still researching.

Again, I can't 100% confirm all of this since most of the drama isn't public knowledge or prominent on social media, but I'm doing some research and hopefully, I'll have a writeup later.

If it's taken place in the last 5 years, there's bound to be documentation somewhere. Be sure to use Advanced Search on Twitter. If you know anyone with an account who was at the event, search for their handle + the dates the event took place. Should help you track things down. Good luck!

 

[LurkerDog]

I'm surprised that we're almost 10 pages into this thread, and nobody has mentioned the story of Capital City Fur Con, which had its first event in January 2020. It was a smaller furry convention held in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (I think roughly 400-ish people showed up), and I think it didn't get nearly as much coverage in terms of furry drama due to the small attendance. Surprisingly, most of the drama surrounding it wasn't from the furries who attended but from the ineptitude of the staff (similar to Dashcon's poor planning).

I'm still trying to piece together bits of it because there's not a lot of public information on the event, but here are a few highlights (I'm currently looking for concrete evidence, so a lot of this is currently rumor and speculation):

• They chose the exact same weekend for the event as MAGfest, so a lot of furries decided they'd rather go to that.
• There were eight separate guests of honor for the event, which was arguably high by any furcon standard. My theory was that the chair had a few people lined up as backup guests, but he asked all of them at once instead of waiting and everybody accepted.
• Furries who arrived early to the hotel were apparently told: "don't suit in the hotel yet, there's a bunch of politicians staying late from the previous event and some of them are armed".
• The con almost shut down before opening ceremonies because the con staff didn't pay an outstanding bill beforehand and the hotel demanded payment (this is very similar to what happened with Dashcon). They only managed to avoid shutdown because they reached out to Uncle Kage and he helped renegotiate the contract with the hotel.
• The registration was broken for most of the first day, so the con ops let anybody anywhere without checking badges.
• The entire schedule for panels was drastically changed about an hour before opening ceremonies and nobody knew when anything was being held. It resulted in multiple panels happening with the host(s) never showing up.
• After CCFC ended, half of the staff immediately quit, and all of the remaining staff suddenly announced on social media that they were now working different positions and the chairman of the con changed like 3-4 times within 4 days. There was also mention of “debts that needed to be repaid” that was brought up several times in each announcement.
• Apparently, some of the staff and/or guests of honor who were supposed to have their hotel rooms comped got stuck paying for their room.
• There was a (now deleted) tweet from the CCFC twitter about two staff being banned for “insubordination” that I'm trying to find. I remember someone else on the staff saying this wasn't true and someone with access to the twitter being petty, but I'm still researching.

Again, I can't 100% confirm all of this since most of the drama isn't public knowledge or prominent on social media, but I'm doing some research and hopefully, I'll have a writeup later.

I was in the CCFC Chat as all this shit happened and know of quite a few vendors personally who attended and HOLY SHIT. It was a mess. I'll recap a few things I do remember and this is going through their halfassed "Feedback Chat" that some admins left and I still have access to. I'll work on screenshotting the best bits and uploading them here soon.

Spoiler: LONG LIST OF SHIT

1. CCFC Owed 5k to the hotel on one of the first few days, publicly announced it and was begging for donations. Oble (Dealers Den Head) Went around asking for donations from the sellers of up to half of what they sold total. She proceeded to do this for the rest of the con weekend.
2. Oble wandered around the dealers den with no shoes or socks, completely barefoot, bragging about her sales to all the other vendors and harassing them for donations for CCFC.
3. CCFC had so many GOHs their first year even the staff didnt know all of them. Twilightsaint made an announcement on their instagram days before the con and was never announced prior. Con staff claim that they wanted to do a "surprise" GOH.
4. Supposedly someone actually paid the 5k debt (Which was actually way higher than just 5k but the staff needed the 5k immediately to even continue the con) the con had, not just restructured the hotel's contract. My bets on TwilightSaint but I can't say.. Even the former staff I spoke to at the time wasnt allowed to say due to contract or some shit.
5. CCFC staff defended their GOH list stating it would bring in more attendees. Which it obviously didnt.
6. Con was born out of no where with only a year to plan everything. It was all rushed.
7. Con staff RAZETH claims that all first year cons are in debt. Attendees and staff of other cons state otherwise.
8. Schedules were changed at random, including displayed as every panel starting and ending at 4:30 am for most the first day. Staff couldn't answer any questions related to that.
9. Staff Member Tripp made a statement that the overlapping event had armed guards that would shoot if needed.
10. Some attendees asked for refunds before the event and weren't being paid back at all.
11. Staff member Loveless releases confidential information.
12. Planned Con in mere months. Supposedly a tweet stating they were looking at hotels and a week-month later had a contract.
13. Bad dates. Same time as MAGfest. Locals had no idea about this convention. Staff invited people off Howlr to attend. Lol.
14. Staff application forms made on jotform and were very vague.
15. Mascot of CCFC (Bean) Is literally someones fursona. Nitro claims that Bean is "Not officially a mascot"
16. Oble didn't care about the dealer list and let known scammers vend. She has a beware on her and etsy reviews are shit. Put herself right by the doors to increase her foot traffic and shit talk other vendors.
17. Some Staff members were supposedly alt-right. No evidence of such but local groups banned them. Staff Member Sharky was banned for "unprofessional conduct on duty"... Supposedly a dick sucking contest and drinking on the clock.
18. According to Tripp, no staff meetings were held, or they were at random.
19. Oble is only allowed to leave staff if she signs a confidentiality contract. In other words, she can release personal information of all vendors and still be on staff because she didnt step down and sign their contract. Sounds like something youd have them sign... before being staff.. dont you think?
20. According to Abzu, Oble has credit card info, addresses, names, tax forms and other sensitive info about every dealer. They have a history with Oble and don't trust her to keep it quiet. She also tried to sell her crap to other vendors.
21. Odin wolf, public murrsuiter, is GOH. Even the staff didnt want to announce him. Odin joins the Feedback chat and gives the "Its not fair. I did that so long ago. Ive fought against people seeing me as that for so long now. Waah" speech. Everyone was over his shit.
22. No one had any idea about parking. 6 different things were pinned and told to attendees and everyone was confused all weekend.

And the chat was closed soon after that. Open for about 3 days total before closed. I'll go through and screencap when I have spare time.

 

[NadahFingah]

I was in the CCFC Chat as all this shit happened and know of quite a few vendors personally who attended and HOLY SHIT. It was a mess. I'll recap a few things I do remember and this is going through their halfassed "Feedback Chat" that some admins left and I still have access to. I'll work on screenshotting the best bits and uploading them here soon.

Spoiler: LONG LIST OF SHIT

1. CCFC Owed 5k to the hotel on one of the first few days, publicly announced it and was begging for donations. Oble (Dealers Den Head) Went around asking for donations from the sellers of up to half of what they sold total. She proceeded to do this for the rest of the con weekend.
2. Oble wandered around the dealers den with no shoes or socks, completely barefoot, bragging about her sales to all the other vendors and harassing them for donations for CCFC.
3. CCFC had so many GOHs their first year even the staff didnt know all of them. Twilightsaint made an announcement on their instagram days before the con and was never announced prior. Con staff claim that they wanted to do a "surprise" GOH.
4. Supposedly someone actually paid the 5k debt (Which was actually way higher than just 5k but the staff needed the 5k immediately to even continue the con) the con had, not just restructured the hotel's contract. My bets on TwilightSaint but I can't say.. Even the former staff I spoke to at the time wasnt allowed to say due to contract or some shit.
5. CCFC staff defended their GOH list stating it would bring in more attendees. Which it obviously didnt.
6. Con was born out of no where with only a year to plan everything. It was all rushed.
7. Con staff RAZETH claims that all first year cons are in debt. Attendees and staff of other cons state otherwise.
8. Schedules were changed at random, including displayed as every panel starting and ending at 4:30 am for most the first day. Staff couldn't answer any questions related to that.
9. Staff Member Tripp made a statement that the overlapping event had armed guards that would shoot if needed.
10. Some attendees asked for refunds before the event and weren't being paid back at all.
11. Staff member Loveless releases confidential information.
12. Planned Con in mere months. Supposedly a tweet stating they were looking at hotels and a week-month later had a contract.
13. Bad dates. Same time as MAGfest. Locals had no idea about this convention. Staff invited people off Howlr to attend. Lol.
14. Staff application forms made on jotform and were very vague.
15. Mascot of CCFC (Bean) Is literally someones fursona. Nitro claims that Bean is "Not officially a mascot"
16. Oble didn't care about the dealer list and let known scammers vend. She has a beware on her and etsy reviews are shit. Put herself right by the doors to increase her foot traffic and shit talk other vendors.
17. Some Staff members were supposedly alt-right. No evidence of such but local groups banned them. Staff Member Sharky was banned for "unprofessional conduct on duty"... Supposedly a dick sucking contest and drinking on the clock.
18. According to Tripp, no staff meetings were held, or they were at random.
19. Oble is only allowed to leave staff if she signs a confidentiality contract. In other words, she can release personal information of all vendors and still be on staff because she didnt step down and sign their contract. Sounds like something youd have them sign... before being staff.. dont you think?
20. According to Abzu, Oble has credit card info, addresses, names, tax forms and other sensitive info about every dealer. They have a history with Oble and don't trust her to keep it quiet. She also tried to sell her crap to other vendors.
21. Odin wolf, public murrsuiter, is GOH. Even the staff didnt want to announce him. Odin joins the Feedback chat and gives the "Its not fair. I did that so long ago. Ive fought against people seeing me as that for so long now. Waah" speech. Everyone was over his shit.
22. No one had any idea about parking. 6 different things were pinned and told to attendees and everyone was confused all weekend.

And the chat was closed soon after that. Open for about 3 days total before closed. I'll go through and screencap when I have spare time.

It's like if Dashcon and Tanacon had a baby with Down Syndrome.

EDIT: The more I thought about the dealer's room situation at this con the more actually mad I got, so I'll take all the hats you got. The person in charge of the dealer's room shouldn't have been allowed to set up their own booth in the first place. Anyone with 5 minutes of retail experience could tell you that's a blatant conflict of interest. But then there's all the other shit she pulled. Just imagine being a dealer there. You get there and only 400 people showed up. Half showed up broke and most of the other half are probably going to be either broke or close to broke by Saturday afternoon. Good luck making back the money you spent just to be there, let alone making any profit. Then the person who's supposed to be making sure everything in the dealer's room is running smoothly not only has her own booth, but set up hers at the entrance, so not only is she getting the most people walking by her, but she's probably shit talking you to try to steal customers from you. Then she has the NERVE to go around bragging about how much she's selling after going around the dealer's room and harassing everyone to give up HALF THE MONEY THEY'RE PULLING IN to keep the con running. And on top of that YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT because the people running the con had the absolutely galaxy brained idea of letting your personal information be handled by someone they knew was the kind of petty asshole who would DOX YOU for trying to start shit with them.

FUCK