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Discussion in 'Animal Control' started by Holdek, Jun 1, 2013.

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  1. Most of all my friends only use FA to get commissions now. Everything else is organized through twitter, word of mouth or telegram now. FA is trash for anything else. Shit, all furry centered websites are trash. Either horrible U.I. (Furry Network), specifically cater to the shitty side of the fandom (InkBunny) or are ran by fucking muppets (Fa).

    Best to just stay away the best one can.
     
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  2. I've seen a lot of people jumping ship to just use Twitter, which is ironic because Twitter staff is trash at protecting artist's rights (and do not care about commissioners what-so-ever) unless you file an official dmca, not to mention that the Furry community on Twitter is a fucking sesspool of sjw's.
     
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  3. Yep, fandom is going to eat itself alive soon enough. Going to get more interesting as all the second and third wave furries try to one up eachother to look like they're better than everyone else / out SJWing eachother. And then they'll start finding all their all-stars are fucked up in their own ways and start to feed them to the wolves too.
     
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  5. I'm wondering how long the furry fandom can last in this day and age. Nothing lasts forever, and I get this feeling that furries will end up being a dead subculture, similar to greasers, hippies, goths, beatniks, emo kids, and the like.

    I mean, furries have been an internet punch line since the late 90's and in this day where nothing is private, they can't exactly deny the fact that their fandom is driven primarily by sexual deviancy for much longer (and it's not like that it was much of a secret to begin with).

    Stuff like Rainfurrest and that furry convention in Atlanta are only damaging the already sullied reputation of furries even further, and let's be honest, the furries themselves are digging their own metaphorical graves with the proliferation of increasingly bizarre fetishes and the inability to keep that shit behind closed doors.

    More importantly the recent political autism within this fandom (Alt Furries and Antifa Furries both come to mind) is putting stress on a structure that wasn't up to code in the first place.

    I'm honestly convinced that furries as a major fandom will be a thing of the past in the next decade or so, with all the bad press and bad karma they've accumulated over the last fifteen or so years.

    I'm sure you'll still have furry fetishists here and there, and there will probably still be furry porn if you know where to look, but with all that has happened, I doubt you'll see fursuiters in public or major furry conventions for much longer

    Best case scenario for the furry fandom is that the furries who are left will get their shit together, establish some basic codes of conduct, and keep things secret and confidential, similar to how the BDSM community generally does things (which is what the furries should have done from the beginning)

    Worst case scenario, the greater furry fandom will self-destruct in a manner similar to how the bronies are currently falling apart, and then they'll be little more than a distant memory and a crude joke about 2000's and 2010's internet pop culture, the same way Goths and Trekkies were to 1980's and 1990's pop culture. Personally, I am thinking this is the more likely scenario and I'm kind of hoping for this one given all the cringe I have seen from the furry fandom (no offense to any furries here on the Farms).
     
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  6. I've noticed there's already some age splits with regards to how said furries act towards each other. I've seen furries who will straight up refuse to talk to newfags or younger furries for that very reason, along with the fact they all act like teenagers.

    When con attendance numbers fall and major cons start to close up for reasons other than poor management (like most of the high profile cons that shut down), that's when you'll know the fandom is truly dying, or at least going back to how it was 10-15 years ago.

    Either that will happen or it'll get "mainstreamed" and the sexual stuff will get pushed out/stigmatized and if that happened expect more furries in charge to take the Uncle Kage or European con approach of banning anything that makes them look bad, in some cases before it even gets to that point.
     
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  7. Left or right doesn't matter. All furfags get the gas.
     
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  8. I personally think that things have gotten so bad that we're way past the point that furries will ever be considered "mainstream" and chances are, the fandom will either die out or downsize to how it was in the late 1990's and early 2000's when it was very underground and nobody in mainstream pop culture knew what a furry was.

    But then again, you never know. Freakish things can happen.
     
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  9. I'm an optimist. The fandom has grown massively in population over the past few years. As more and more kids become open to new ideas (less controlled by their parent's ideology) it's only going to keep growing.

    I won't lie, I like the fandom. I've met quite a few decent, and successful, people in it. I've also met people I think need a bullet in the head for the better of humanity. It's a mixmatched group like any fandom, but it's generally okay. But I have this seething hatred for the fandom at the same time. Blatant defending of sexual predators, scam artists and kiddy diddlers are the three things that'll be the end of this all. Next to the white nationalism and the JW scene that thinks it needs to control what people think (with most having their hearts in the right place which is unfortunate).

    Right now the fandom is trying to cleanse as I think you've noticed, but it's going to be a hard battle because the leadership isn't fully on board or maybe even involved in what needs getting goned.

    (Edit) I said kids. A lot of people join the fandom young. I joined it in 2007 at around 15. gives you an idea as to why there's so many potential kiddy diddlers saying "cub art is just a fantasy" hanging around, yeah?
     
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  10. Under any other circumstance I'd just drop a powerlevel joke on your head, but I kind of agree with you on some things, and yet you still don't got that grip on shit my dude.

    The fandom isn't trying to cleanse at all, it's merely sweeping shit under the rug, and even then the only ones that are doing so are the leftyfurs, purely because they're fucking bored. They don't got altfurry anymore (I took care of that shit) so now they're stuck with all this pent up autstic rage trying to vent it out onto anyone, and they for some odd reason chose the cubfurs, which is funny considering they are probably on inkbunny uploading on that site right now. That being said the ones trying to "cleanse the filth" are very small, and the rest of the furries are just doing what they've done for two decades.

    By the way, telling people how old you are is a great way to have someone dox your ass.
     
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    #8152 Cuddly Pirate, May 16, 2018
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  11. Yeah, fandom wide apathy and a few directing their rage on some occasions. Bout all that ever happens. No one is going to talk about any of this in a month and all those banned dudes are going to slip back in under new names. And yeah, that was noted during the TB issue while everyone was railing on him, not a single person dared say "what about InkBunny" because they know they can't do anything to the site. Every person that gets chased off FA ends up there.

    But yeah, more or less it's just sweeping it all under the rug until it blows up again.
     
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  12. A lot of the subcultures you've mentioned were very much a product of their political climate/times. The concept of anthropomorphic animals has been around longer than all of those, though the "furry" aspect of it is a relatively new thing that's only 2-3 decades old. I don't think the subculture is ever really going to "go away" because there isn't much in the way of an age barrier or required social status as an entry gate whereas the others sort of had a delineated period where it was acceptable to participate in them.

    It's very difficult to get a proper pulse on the fandom as a public entity because things have been growing at an increasing rate in regards to attendance at conventions and such but if there was a major issue within the fandom you'd think there'd be a drop off or something. A little shy of 20 years ago people thought the fandom was "dying" because it was becoming harder and harder to find furry comics at anything beyond specialty brick and mortar comic book stores. That was 20 years ago, and we're still around today. People like to point at specific things and say "this is what's going to do the fandom in" and nobody has been correct yet.

    I don't think the fandom is invincible by any stretch of the term. I just don't think there's going to be some cataclysmic event that closes the door on it. The brony fandom was an open and shut sort of ordeal because it was something based around one specific television show and that was it. When the show's over, the fandom has nothing else to obsess about. The furry fandom saw similar rises and falls with things like Tiny Toons Adventures and SWAT Kats. The wider fandom is not tethered to an IP or franchise that will eventually be cancelled or shuttered and that's why it has survived.

    This is surprisingly common. Nobody in my circle of aging friends associates or talks to anyone younger than like 25 or 30 unless there's a commission or something involved. It's not worth the trouble or the drama of trying to rub elbows with children. Literally and figuratively.
     
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  13. I don't think the fandom is going anywhere anytime soon. I think it has something to do with the unusual theme the fandom is centered on. If you were to hang out with a group of trekkies, you might watch episodes of Star Trek or perhaps discuss a book series. If you hang out with weebs you might watch anime or talk about the latest manga. If you hang out with furries, what do you do? Think about it, what do you actually have in common by being furries? Aside from the obvious answers "we have a meat-slapping ogry!" there just isn't any substantial content out there that is furry but not sexualized. The only answers I have heard to the "what do you do?" question is either "we watch movies with anthropomorphic characters" or "we just hang out like friends".

    Furry isn't actually tied to something that can be destroyed such as a TV series so I can't imagine how it would ever lose popularity to the point of extinction.
     
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  14. Of course those earliest times were often literary-based, often with morals/lessons readers were meant to pick up on. Animals were always typecasted into different roles based on long-standing views of them (predators were often antagonists while prey were the good guys). Cartoons and comics were a logical step forward in bringing anthropomorphic characters to life, often using the same concepts and formulas as before.

    True.

    I remember that. Of course you had to go to one of those dinky comic/rpg shops for that if you wanted.

    It's certainly broader in that respect (keep thinking of Road Rovers being one of those people never let go of for a long time).

    Thank you, and really, that's what it should be. Let them figure it out!
     
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  15. Age gaps not talking to each other, while neither side realizes they're all dogfucking spergs.

    To be frank the greymuzzles are more degenerate, since old people in general have fucked up enema fetishes.
     
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  16. Do I even wanna ask why/how you know this?
     
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  17. I am an oasis of knowledge. It's a blessing and a curse.
     
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  18. Furry as a whole isn't going to go anywhere. Maybe its prevalence might ebb and flow like a tide, but as others have mentioned, it's not tied to an IP (like, say, Voltron or Steven Universe), so it's not going to suddenly die out after a series ends or a movie has its 15 minutes of fame. Sure, you have movies like Zootopia, or even video games that have elements that draw furries to it (i.e. Undertale, Night in the Woods), but furry was never truly about established properties at its core the way media fandoms are. Plus, the fact it's so decentralized means there's no real way to fully curb or police the negative aspects. This can be considered a blessing or a curse, depending on which side of the fence you fall on.

    And unless the cubfur issue is brought to light by a major media outlet (or some clickbait/yellow journalism shithole like BuzzFeed or Daily Dot), I doubt much will change in that regard. As amusing as the current craze of dragging artists who draw that sick shit is, any amount of fandom public tarring and feathering isn't going to change a thing.

    Having said that, it will be interesting to see what happens with the current demographics 10 years from now. Most of the artists I remember from 10 years ago, have either moved on completely with their lives (either on to other interests or became normies) or became glorified manchildren as the "How do you do, kids" meme made flesh, even taking on genderspecial identities in their 40's-50's (i.e. XianJaguar, as mentioned a few pages back) or whatever the current flavor of the month cause célèbre is.

    I think once the current political climate changes -and you know it will, eventually-, we'll see the furry fandom start to take a different overarching form. Like, during the Bush years, it was all edgy emo goth "Rail against authority"-type stuff; complete deviant freedom under the 8 years of Obama (lulled into a false sense of security because of said 8 years), and now... the Antifa and Alt-Furry scrappings/'Everyone X to the Y of me is evil" mentality of the Trump/populist era.

    At the end of the day, furry at its core is about getting ones rocks off to humanoid animals, and no amount of politics and drama is ever going to change that.
     
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