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God of Nothing

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If only reality itself would've bended over backwards to obey Yaaas Qweeen Daenerys' idealism. Destroying social order, committing war crimes, and alienating anyone who knew how to use power should've definitely led to a better world. Of course, reality decided to hit little miss sheltered-since-the-day-she-was-born with the force of ten thousand Chad Night King ice javelins.

She thought she was the dragon conqueror reborn but she was really a snowflake.
 

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Her overriding goal has always been to sit on the throne and to break the current social order; more so than improve the world for others. She has already seen her failures at ruling and rather than think: Maybe I should do something else in my life, she is going to keep trying at playing god with other's lives until it works out.
Here's something that never quite occurred to me, as I reflect on your (very interesting) points: she made that famous speech about "breaking the wheel," and yet the one time anyone ever tried to broach the topic of what might be built in its place -- Tyrion approaching her after the attack on the Lannister forces -- she angrily shut him down and insinuated he was thinking about treason.
 

God of Nothing

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Here's something that never quite occurred to me, as I reflect on your (very interesting) points: she made that famous speech about "breaking the wheel," and yet the one time anyone ever tried to broach the topic of what might be built in its place -- Tyrion approaching her after the attack on the Lannister forces -- she angrily shut him down and insinuated he was thinking about treason.
The classical SJW way of thinking. Somehow, things will be fine if they wreck everything because JUSTICE! Questioning the results of their actions is the equivalent of a personal attack on them. Any criticism or questioning is racism, sexism, hate speech, oppression, and treason.
 

iRON-mAn

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Slavery is not a terrible crime in Essos (at least slaver's bay), it's not even a crime at all and for her to impose it as such, is a radical idea. It goes against the whole social order. It is far more radical than burning the Tarly's because they refuse to bend the knee; killing houses is not that uncommon in the world of game of thrones. Opposing slavery is normal in Braavos and westeros (it's what got Jorah banished), but not in slaver's bay.
Uh, Braavos has fought numerous wars against it's neighbors opposing slavery, the last one being within 70 years of the events of the first book. Daenerys was simply the first person to do it that far East.
 
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Here's something that never quite occurred to me, as I reflect on your (very interesting) points: she made that famous speech about "breaking the wheel," and yet the one time anyone ever tried to broach the topic of what might be built in its place -- Tyrion approaching her after the attack on the Lannister forces -- she angrily shut him down and insinuated he was thinking about treason.
Yet despite, in retrospect, foreshadowing that she'll lose it at some point, it's all for nothing because she went nuts all at once.

I agree with the person earlier in the thread who said a final series where she's Queen and does her well-intentioned extremist routine but slowly gets more and more loopy and paranoid and sees her advisors as trying to betray her when they are, in fact, telling her that she's making a mistake, as is their duty, and eventually they plot to depose her for real because her paranoia becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. That would have been a good post-Night King run of episodes. But no. Because we have to SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS, she wigs out at the earliest available opportunity. Better still, that series could have a time skip of, say, a year between each episode, say, each one is set on her nth jubilee as Queen of Westeros to give it a nice theme and structure.
 

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Uh, Braavos has fought numerous wars against it's neighbors opposing slavery, the last one being within 70 years of the events of the first book. Daenerys was simply the first person to do it that far East.
That's why I said that opposing slavery is normal in Braavos..... Though Braavos seems culturally as far from slaver's bay as Antwerp from Constantinople.
 
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And now for your daily dose of Game of Thrones memes




Dafuq...looks like he literally stepped out of the set of a Game of Thrones


This one actually is kind of ironic

...they seriously should have had her take King's Landing in season 7.
 

Emperor Julian

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it's occured to me Dany really would have been better off storming kings landing upon arrival on westeros in season 7. Whoever told her not to blitz the red keep for humanitarian reasons is a fucking idiot. The war could have been concluded in about 30-60 minutes without any allied and minimum civilian and enemy casualties.
 
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Lemmingwise

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Here's something that never quite occurred to me, as I reflect on your (very interesting) points: she made that famous speech about "breaking the wheel," and yet the one time anyone ever tried to broach the topic of what might be built in its place -- Tyrion approaching her after the attack on the Lannister forces -- she angrily shut him down and insinuated he was thinking about treason.
Good catch!

Thinking about it... what if that other dragon, Reagan or something, had died during the siege of king landing? What if he was shot after the bell had rung? Giving Dany at least some reason to burn down the city maniacally.

On the plus side, it would make her look like she cared about here dragons dying for once.

it's occured to me Dany really would have been better off storming kings landing upon arrival on westeros in season 7. Whoever told her not to storm the red keep for humanitarian reasons is a fucking idiot. The war could have been concluded in about 30-60 minutes without any allied and minimum civilian and enemy casualties.
Yeah, no shit. Don't give them time to build 50 more scorpions and storm them when they just have 1 instead. Although back then we thought the night king was a dangerous and intelligent force of nature, not a comicbook villain with no good lieutenants keeping him safe from anime ninjas.
 

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The whole Stannis storyline after Blackwater feels like this weird digression that ultimately goes nowhere. He saves the Night's Watch and crushes the Wildling invasion, but at no point did he ever seem like a serious contender for the endgame. The dreary existence he led from his defeat at King's Landing really only seemed to be there to make sure Melisandre was there at the right moment to resurrect Jon.
His arc in the books is much more complex and heroic. He gets some of the best and most profound scenes. In book 2 (Catelyn chapter) , talking about the peach his traitorous brother offered him at their parlay. In book 3 (Davos chapter), when he's agonizing over what to do with Robert's bastard - sacrifice him and save millions or let him go as Davos wants and eventually does. He starts to show flexibility when instead of punishing Davos for it he listens to his plea for the Night's Watch, something akin to "a king that won't protect his people is king at all". His battlefield prowess is finally shown when he crushes the wildlings.

To think what the show did to this character is so unbelievably galling. He may not have ever had a chance to win the throne, but in the books as of now he's still one of the few that SHOULD win it.

Without a doubt in my mind the Stannis in the books is the most Shakespearian character.
 
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Kyria the Great

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His arc in the books is much more complex and heroic. He gets some of the best and most profound scenes. In book 2 (Catelyn chapter) , talking about the peach his traitorous brother offered him at their parlay. In book 3 (Davos chapter), when he's agonizing over what to do with Robert's bastard - sacrifice him and save millions or let him go as Davos wants and eventually does. He starts to show flexibility when instead of punishing Davos for it he listens to his plea for the Night's Watch, something akin to "a king that won't protect his people is king at all". His battlefield prowess is finally shown when he crushes the wildlings.

To think what the show did to this character is so unbelievably galling. He may not have ever had a chance to win the throne, but in the books as of now he's still one of the few that SHOULD win it.
No, we need to show characters that were heroic and had true integrity turn Murder Stupid at the last minute because our security around the camp had more Holes than Nazi spying command.
 

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What makes them so exceptional, compared to say, the janissaries in Turkey, which was an army made up off captured boys (slaves) from christian lands, (although they weren't made eunuchs like the harem guards, but instead under strict vow of celibacy).
Castration is kind of a big deal; it screws up T production which in turn messes up muscle development, aggression, and bone development- all things you really, really need in professional soldiers, especially heavy infantry. Add to that the sanitation issues from frequent urinary incontinence, and you're hamstringing your forces for no good reason. You're not quite making an army of Jazz Jennings, but you're in the right (lack of) ballpark. Historically, there have been eunuchs in the military, but as commanders and tacticians (Zhang He was purportedly one) not the guys who do the heavy lifting.

And historically, slave soldiers have a nasty habit of figuring out that as the guys with the weapons and training, they can be the ones giving orders as opposed to taking them. The Janissaries had to be suppressed/appeased multiple times, and the Mamluks just straight up took over. And the Romans' institutional paranoia about arming slaves came from their encounter with this fella called Sparticus.

Even the requirement of killing part is somewhat comparable to both spartan (who had to kill a helot, which were the majority of their population) and native american requirements (I think it was for jaguar warriors, who had to capture someone alive from one of the lesser tribes without being caught).
With the Spartans, too, you had to not get caught; those trials were essentially a prac test for what they'd learned. With the Unsullied, according to the wiki, they need to buy a slave baby then kill it in front of it's mother (careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge, George) and compensate the owner for the loss (which doesn't even make sense, because if they bought it they would be the owner, that's how buying things works.) This isn't comparable because it's not a challenge the way those other trials are.
 

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No, we need to show characters that were heroic and had true integrity turn Murder Stupid at the last minute because our security around the camp had more Holes than Nazi spying command.
And it also gave Brienne something to do because after her interactions with Jamie she was pretty much useless as a main character.

But hey, SLAYYYYY KWEEEEN! You go girl, kill that mortally wounded man sitting next to a tree.
 

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it's occured to me Dany really would have been better off storming kings landing upon arrival on westeros in season 7. Whoever told her not to storm the red keep for humanitarian reasons is a fucking idiot. The war could have been concluded in about 30-60 minutes without any allied and minimum civilian and enemy casualties.
You can thank Tyrion for this genius decision that costed Daenerys three allied houses.


To think what the show did to this character is so unbelievably galling.
Agreed, it sucks how dumbed down Stannis was by D & D. This was the guy who answered the call from the night's watch on his volition (unlike the show where he does so because Melisandre say so). He recognizes the threat of the white walkers and listens to the advice of Jon in allying with the north to overthrow the boltons. Instead, he's a religious fanatic who corrects people's grammar.
 

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[No Spoilers] Thank you Game of Thrones
After watching last week's episode I've been thinking about sharing my story.
Today I've finally decided to share it with you.
I'm a woman in her 30s, since I was 16 I've been thirsty for dicks, I'm obsessed with dicks, this has caused many problems in my life, I couldn't get a stable boyfriend, I had 14 abortions. My family hates me because of that, I haven't talked to my dad in years. My sister doesn't want to introduce me to his husband and this year they even had kids but she doesn't want me to be around her life. My life's been a mess.
But after watching last week's episode I feel better about myself, I feel empowered. After Jon denied Dany his dick. And Dany went mad shit crazy, I realised that I'm not alone in this world. Game of Thrones highlighted Dany's mental health struggles, like mine. Addiction to dicks is a real problem, a mental health problem and people should support us, not condemn us, not make us feel bad.
Watching this show has made me feel better about myself.
So thank you Game of Thrones.
r/gameofthrones has to be the worst sub of them all.
 

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One of the worst things about the abysmal failure of setting up Daenerys's evil turn is that, retroactively, every single character who believed in her, fought for her, idealized her, worshipped her, is now a total fucking idiot.
I’d argue it’s similar with Cersei. Once she completed her destruction of the Sept there was nothing for her to do but wheelspin for two seasons because the writers were determined for her to be the big bad facing down Dany at the end.

Unfortunately they tied her so inextricably to Tyrion and to Jaime (and by extension Brienne) that everything those characters did in S8 ended up ultimately being in service to Cersei, even if it meant them completely backpedaling on their own arcs and acting like total fucking idiots (the Bronn side plot bullshit)

In crafting the Cersei S5/6 plot, the character’s greatest achievement, they essentially wrote the story into an inescapable corner. They made it inevitable that Cersei would be the final big bad, rather than the Night King or any other threat. The only other solution would be to kill off Cersei and they obviously weren’t going to do that.

But in doing so they still had two seasons of tv to burn through to get us to Dany vs Cersei. So with Cersei isolated and few supporting cast scene partners (in contrast to the rest of the show where everyone is finally gathering together) they had to keep someone tethered to her to play against. Unfortunately that ended up being Jaime, even if you could argue he would’ve left her at some earlier point as he does in the books, and it was allegedly what Nikolaj was begging for them to do. D&D have always been far more invested in the Jaime/Cersei dynamic than either the plot warranted or fans demanded.

And of course the way they keep both Tyrion and Jaime with Cersei is not through any real familial attachment to one another, but with this magical unborn baby. Like right out of a daytime soap. A baby. Like neither of these guys are capable of siring their own children with other women. Like Cersei’s own machinations haven’t caused the death, including one suicide(!), of her first three kids. But oh no. This time it’s different. Right.

Everything since season 5 finale— right about the time they completely dropped the book plot— has been reverse engineered to get us to this specific endpoint with Cersei. But of course the writers utterly miscalculated how to get to their preplanned endpoint, wrote the season on a cocktail napkin and here we are. Cersei goes out with a whimper, Jaime’s character is hot trash, Tyrion looks like a hypocrite and a fool and no one is pleased.
 

iRON-mAn

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That's why I said that opposing slavery is normal in Braavos..... Though Braavos seems culturally as far from slaver's bay as Antwerp from Constantinople.
No, you said opposing slavery in Essos was a radical idea. It's not. It happens, and Braavos tries to impose that opposition of slavery on other countries such as Pentos by force...exactly as Daenerys did.

It's difficult to know exactly how the escaped slaves of Braavos relate to the Slave Cities in Slavers bay. They escaped from Valyria, which once stretched to include Slavers Bay. But Braavos has been around for much longer, whereas Mereen, Astapor and Yunkai were merely colonies that flourished in the wake of the Doom of Valyria.
 

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No, you said opposing slavery in Essos was a radical idea. It's not. It happens, and Braavos tries to impose that opposition of slavery on other countries such as Pentos by force...exactly as Daenerys did.

It's difficult to know exactly how the escaped slaves of Braavos relate to the Slave Cities in Slavers bay. They escaped from Valyria, which once stretched to include Slavers Bay. But Braavos has been around for much longer, whereas Mereen, Astapor and Yunkai were merely colonies that flourished in the wake of the Doom of Valyria.

You even quoted this part of my post:

Opposing slavery is normal in Braavos and westeros (it's what got Jorah banished), but not in slaver's bay.
 
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