Games really need to fall out of love with Lovecraft -

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I'm not keen on mincing words on this one. H.P Lovecraft was a racist and before you go making an argument for separating the art from the artist, let's be clear on another point: so are his stories. They encompass other problematic elements too, of course - misogyny, homophobia. Right down to their core, right down to the very themes that recur throughout his works, you'll find the hateful perspective he had of the world: the ignorance of someone who viewed anything unlike himself with revulsion. While he drew inspiration from works predating him, what Lovecraft gave to the genre of cosmic horror was his hate.

Which is now video games' problem. For decades video games have been regurgitating the themes, plots and aesthetics of his stories with not one ounce of scrutiny. The half-breed monsters that embody the very essence of Lovecraft's revulsion, the troubled white male heroes that contain his arrogance and his gross simplification of mental illness are recreated in video games with no subversion, no critical thinking. In doing so they are breathing life, again and again, into Lovecraft's hate. At least Bloodborne had the decency to suggest that its protagonist could be the real villain of the story.

Here's the other thing. It's not just deeply problematic, it's boring. How terrified can we be by even the most lavishly rendered Lovecraftian monster after so many dozen encounters, across so many dozen games. They've slipped from being horrifying or even pulpy fun and now they're just downright boring.

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It's time to let go of Lovecraft. No more tentacled multi-eyed monstrosities, no foggy fishing towns or ancient aliens posing as gods. These are jokes and the remnants of a poisonous world view. Let's move on. Because let's remember, the things people say they love about Lovecraft's work? The existential horror? The sense of helplessness and unknowable horrors? Guess what, they don't belong to him. They existed before him (Lovecraft himself drew inspiration from the works of Robert Chambers) and they're gonna be around long after.

If you're wondering how to do this type of horror without the trappings of Lovecraft then look no further than the 2015 title SOMA. It tells the story of a man, Simon, waking up in a dark underwater facility full of machine horrors with no idea how he got there. This game uses technology to explore themes of identity, consciousness and yes, existentialism. It does so most effectively not by throwing alien creatures in our faces but by confronting us with the nature of our existence. There are no ancient alien gods, just heavy reminders of mankind's place in the universe. How would we cope when faced with the reality that we're simply one of many copies? What matters more, the continued existence of some version of yourself or the continued existence of your specific consciousness? These are deeper and more personal questions than we typically get from horror games and yet SOMA explores them deftly. Yet it still touches on many of the core fears people get from Lovecraft's work, just without any of the baggage. There is no fear of the other here, only of our own reality.

It's proof that not only can existential horror do without Lovecraft's dusty old tropes, it can flourish. Let's breathe new life into the genre and not let one author's hatred define our games. Next time Chtulhu calls, maybe don't answer?

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-09-games-really-need-to-fall-out-of-love-with-lovecraft
 

Loxiozzz

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Jesus Christ. Lovecraft has been popping up everywhere lately with people talking about how ist he was. Okay. We get it. Why is anyone surprised that a man who was born in 1890 was a racist, sexist, ableist homophobe?

It's time to let go of Lovecraft. No more tentacled multi-eyed monstrosities, no foggy fishing towns or ancient aliens posing as gods

@Cthulhu eurogamer is talking shit
 

Shabobus

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Writing off Lovecraft's literary contributions as nothing but hate is dumb. He held some pretty awful beliefs that were common to his day, and he was certainly emotionally troubled. But it's absurd to boil down his characters into something as simple as "arrogant white male bundles of hatred". It makes me think the author of this article never even read his works.
 

GethN7

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Ah, another idiot who can't separate art from the artist.

Yes, Lovecraft was an IRL cringelord, even for his time. By the same token, he set the bar for writing horror that many authors have tried to imitate because damn, he was good at making your skin crawl then and now. He also took the ordinarily bad writing practice of purple prose and made it into something that just enhanced the creepy factor of his writing.

As someone who appreciates well written horror, man was a literary genius, and his work is generally enjoyable without subscribing to his IRL views.
 

Eryngium

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Thought this was a serious thread for a second and almost got baited, lol.

Love craft is fucking dope, His books are dope, and bloodborne is dope.

And before you get on me about morals, what about that one edgy poem dude, Poe something, something, that they forced you to read about in high school who fucked and married his underage cousin, although that wasn’t uncommon at the time much like racism.
 

Clop

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Basically this, again, ad infinitum.

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Christ with the baggage of these people - they were carrying it before they were even born.

I was already mentally preparing a reply about video games and the trends that bring a lot of samey aesthetics etc. and how it's business as usual and there's plenty of gems in the pile of clones. It was going to be a lot of fun for me to write because I love video games to death, but then I read the part where she just plays the racism card in her drivel and all of my energy is sucked out into a void. This is also the same Sam Greer that wrote this garbage.

I have the sad now.
 

Autopsy

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The comments were alarmingly cogent for a tabloid, which means they'll probably get nuked.
Usual suspects for proper archival wont be able to capture the comments because of obnoxious website design, but here's the top one:
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which nails most of the issues I have with the article.
It's also worth considering that broken and uncomfortable people write disquieting things better than contented and normal ones, which is an absolute fixture throughout history. The argument here is that "everything is perspective" and therefore "any product of a racist perspective is racism" but the logical conclusion that requires no such great leaps would be that "racist perspectives can produce valuable works." I'm not opposed to that message, it's a message of diversity, but something tells me the the author might take exception.
Greer: be more careful what you uncritically peddle, maybe.
 

PoisonedBun

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I can get being unable to separate the art from the artist if the artist is a living, breathing person actively profiting if you throw money and attention at their art.

But Lovecraft is like, super dead. I don't understand this inability to say 'this person held a lot of hurtful beliefs, but they still made some enjoyable and influential work'. Maybe because it requires basic critical thought.
 

From The Uncanny Valley

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Give it a few years and that's the kind of thing his works will be praised for by these eggshell lunatics. There's going to be entire articles about the "pedosexual subtext" and "revolutionary thinking before his time."

Well I did know somebody who claimed that Alice and Mad Hatter were supposed to be romantically involved :c
 
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