Gender Dysphoria on Tumblr -

[chimpburgers]

Okay, so I sometimes see these hipster like, attention seeking trannies on Tumblr whine about this topic. It's like it's suddenly to be part of this tranny community, you have to claim to have gender dysphoria to fit in, so let's make fun of these pretentious cocksuckers that give the true and honest trannies a bad name because quite frankly since Kiwi Farms is going to be drowning in rat king and tranny talk, why not have some more fun with this shit?

I uncovered the following bits of sperging about this topic from otherkin morons and more. Gender dysphoria sperging comes in all forms and seeps into even Disney discussion.

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[Daisymae]

I have heard people describe gender as a spectrum, however it seems like it is more of a horseshoe to me. Most people are some form of man or woman, but you can identify as being close to being both or even some can feel that they are no gender at all.

 

[Gothic Barbie]

I have heard people describe gender as a spectrum, however it seems like it is more of a horseshoe to me. Most people are some form of man or woman, but you can identify as being close to being both or even some can feel that they are no gender at all.

I don't understand how one even "feels" like a gender.
I do, however, understand gender pressures like boys must like blue, not pink, they must like cars, or boobs and vagina, or know about tools or whatever, hate girly stuff, etc. Be "masculine" basically.
Girl must like pink over blue, like dolls, hair, makeup, nails, dresses, like "feminin" stuff.
And if you fall too much under the wrong one, or like things from each, it's like "omg I must be transgendered, what gender am I? I have dysphoria!"
How about you are just a person who has likes and dislikes, not every girl is full on the "feminin" side, not every male is full on the "masculine" side and that is totally fine, it's also okay if you are a girl with mostly "masculine" traits, same with men who have mostly "feminin" traits, it's what makes up your normal personality. It's not a whole gender identity issue. It's also okay if you are attracted to the same sex, being attracted to the same sex also does not mean you are transgendered or should have identity issues.

I think if we give up gender roles/stereotypes, gender identity issues would mostly go away.
That's just how I see it.

 

[Daisymae]

I think if we give up gender roles/stereotypes, gender identity issues would mostly go away.

This would be predicated on people feeling that there is no genetic sex and psychological difference in behavior and appearance between people. People will alway classify and trying to force them not to will only make them do it more.

 

[kittie]

I don't understand how one even "feels" like a gender.
I do, however, understand gender pressures like boys must like blue, not pink, they must like cars, or boobs and vagina, or know about tools or whatever, hate girly stuff, etc. Be "masculine" basically.
Girl must like pink over blue, like dolls, hair, makeup, nails, dresses, like "feminin" stuff.
And if you fall too much under the wrong one, or like things from each, it's like "omg I must be tranny, what gender am I? I have dysphoria!"
How about you are just a person who has likes and dislikes, not every girl is full on the "feminin" side, not every male is full on the "masculine" side and that is totally fine, it's also okay if you are a girl with mostly "masculine" traits, same with men who have mostly "feminin" traits, it's what makes up your normal personality. It's not a whole gender identity issue. It's also okay if you are attracted to the same sex, being attracted to the same sex also does not mean you are tranny or should have identity issues.

I think if we give up gender roles/stereotypes, gender identity issues would mostly go away.
That's just how I see it.

I think dysphoria usually refers to the negative mental reaction to physical secondary sex characteristics

 

[TheMightyMonarch]

Honestly, although both are insufferable. I'd rather listen to these guys bitch about dysphoria than the tumblr "trannies" who claim that you don't have to have dysphoria to be a trans.

 

[Melkor]

Anyone who thinks you don't need dysphoria to be trans is kidding themselves.

While I don't think it's a medical condition, dysphoria is kind of a big deal when you identify as a tranny. It's one of the defining "traits".

 

[RM 810]

Anyone who thinks you don't need dysphoria to be tranny is kidding themselves.

While I don't think it's a medical condition, dysphoria is kind of a big deal when you identify as a tranny. It's one of the defining "traits".

We might have to take this to off topic, but why don't you think it's a medical condition?

 

[Melkor]

We might have to take this to off topic, but why don't you think it's a medical condition?

Because you just are tranny. While there are medical procedures to help with dysphoria (top surgery, hormone replacement therapy, etc.), you just... are.

I dunno how else to explain it. A tranny is a tranny because they're tranny. There's no medical issue behind it.

 

[RM 810]

Because you just are tranny. While there are medical procedures to help with dysphoria (top surgery, hormone replacement therapy, etc.), you just... are.

I dunno how else to explain it. A tranny is a tranny because they're tranny. There's no medical issue behind it.

But there almost definitely is, no healthy person experiences dysphoria. I mean we don't know exactly but it's likely to do with brain structure and in-utero hormone washes.

You might as well say autism isn't medical, or any other chronic mental/brain condition.

 

[Melkor]

But there almost definitely is, no healthy person experiences dysphoria. I mean we don't know exactly but it's likely to do with brain structure and in-utero hormone washes.

You might as well say autism isn't medical, or any other chronic mental/brain condition.

You're implying that being transgender isn't healthy, when there's no definitive proof that hormonal treatment can negatively affect your health.

 

[Anime-Chan]

It's honestly really disappointing to see tumblirans take a huge shit on the hardships real trans folks have went through. They're actually making it seem like it's no big deal to be trans, or anything that seems different.

 

[RM 810]

You're implying that being transgender isn't healthy, when there's no definitive proof that hormonal treatment can negatively affect your health.

I'm not saying the treatment for dysphoria isn't healthy, I'm saying dysphoria itself isn't healthy.

I should probably point out here that I am trans. Dysphoria is fucking awful, and it's not something that a healthy person would experience.

(Also can a mod move this to deep thoughts or something, I'm quite interested in this debate but don't want to shit up the thread, @Meowthkip @KatsuKitty )

 

[Melkor]

I'm not saying the treatment for dysphoria isn't healthy, I'm saying dysphoria itself isn't healthy.

I should probably point out here that I am tranny. Dysphoria is fucking awful, and it's not something that a healthy person would experience.

(Also can a mod move this to deep thoughts or something, I'm quite interested in this debate but don't want to shit up the thread, @Meowthkip @KatsuKitty )

I'm tranny as well, but I don't want to be labeled as mentally ill for being a tranny.

Gender dysphoria doesn't really have a DSM-V diagnosis (as far as I know; correct me if I'm wrong), unless you count Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

You don't have to be tranny to experience dysphoria, too. I mean this as in, you can have discomfort about your massive thighs, or your broad shoulders. Dysphoria can manifest as simple body image issues, so it's not always a tranny thing.

You do, however, need gender dysphoria to be tranny.

 

[RM 810]

I'm tranny as well, but I don't want to be labeled as mentally ill for being a tranny.

Gender dysphoria doesn't really have a DSM-V diagnosis (as far as I know; correct me if I'm wrong), unless you count Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

You don't have to be tranny to experience dysphoria, too. I mean this as in, you can have discomfort about your massive thighs, or your broad shoulders. Dysphoria can manifest as simple body image issues, so it's not always a tranny thing.

You do, however, need gender dysphoria to be tranny.

I'd say it was neurological, or a body condition rather than mental illness. You treat it by changing the body not the mind after all, but I would still class that as medical, especially since you treat it with medical treatment.

Gender dysphoria is in the DSM, it was changed from Gender Identity Disorder in the DSM-IV. Maybe GID being taken out is what you're thinking about?

See I would class that as something other than dysphoria, but maybe this is just nitpicking over wordings.

 

[Wildchild]

I sometimes turn off other transgender people by having the belief that being transgender is akin to a medical problem which can be treated with intervention and it's not a protest against social norms.

I'm not proud for being transgender, to be it's much like someone being proud for having diabetes.

 

[Melkor]

Gender dysphoria is in the DSM, it was changed from Gender Identity Disorder in the DSM-IV. Maybe GID being taken out is what you're thinking about?

Welp, I learn something every day.
:powerlevel: My last counselor diagnosed me with body dysmorphic disorder, and when I asked "wouldn't it be gender identity disorder?" she basically told me that wasn't a valid diagnosis. So I just went with it. Good to know it's an actual diagnosis though.:powerlevel:

 

[AnOminous]

I'm tranny as well, but I don't want to be labeled as mentally ill for being a tranny.

Gender dysphoria doesn't really have a DSM-V diagnosis (as far as I know; correct me if I'm wrong), unless you count Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

I'll assume you're sane, because you're here and you're not chimping out.

What is your opinion on SRS? Because surgery is generally only done to cure, or at least treat, some actual medical condition.

Surgery that is done just because somebody wants it is considered "elective" or is outright illegal, like surgeries for people who want to amputate a limb because of some severe psychological disturbance.

Surgery that is done for some legitimate medical reason, though, can be paid for by insurance or by entitlements like Medicaid.

I tend to think that if someone has a condition, whether it's a "mental illness" or whatever, that puts them at serious risk of depression, suicide, and otherwise torments them and that if there is a medical procedure (like SRS) that has been shown in studies to lead to positive outcomes and increased wellness, that this probably should be covered by insurance.

At the same time, categorizing it as a "mental illness" has some pretty unfortunate implications, like the inclusion of homosexuality as a mental illness. I have long viewed that as a medical and legal fiction essentially used to justify procedures that are useful for their recipients even though the theoretical underpinnings of why that is the case are pretty murky, to say the least.

So how do we both serve people who legitimately need a complex and expensive surgical procedure to avoid severe psychological distress with a ridiculously high suicide rate involved, while not performing unnecessary (and harmful) procedures on people who don't need it and are just acting out? I mean the idiots influenced by "tucute" bullshit who are usually ridiculously immature, stupid, ignorant people who reject the whole idea of medicine.

 

[Melkor]

I'll assume you're sane, because you're here and you're not chimping out.

What is your opinion on SRS? Because surgery is generally only done to cure, or at least treat, some actual medical condition.

Surgery that is done just because somebody wants it is considered "elective" or is outright illegal, like surgeries for people who want to amputate a limb because of some severe psychological disturbance.

Surgery that is done for some legitimate medical reason, though, can be paid for by insurance or by entitlements like Medicaid.

I tend to think that if someone has a condition, whether it's a "mental illness" or whatever, that puts them at serious risk of depression, suicide, and otherwise torments them and that if there is a medical procedure (like SRS) that has been shown in studies to lead to positive outcomes and increased wellness, that this probably should be covered by insurance.

At the same time, categorizing it as a "mental illness" has some pretty unfortunate implications, like the inclusion of homosexuality as a mental illness. I have long viewed that as a medical and legal fiction essentially used to justify procedures that are useful for their recipients even though the theoretical underpinnings of why that is the case are pretty murky, to say the least.

So how do we both serve people who legitimately need a complex and expensive surgical procedure to avoid severe psychological distress with a ridiculously high suicide rate involved, while not performing unnecessary (and harmful) procedures on people who don't need it and are just acting out? I mean the idiots influenced by "tucute" bullshit who are usually ridiculously immature, stupid, ignorant people who reject the whole idea of medicine.

In my opinion, if a tranny is more comfortable having SRS, then all the power to them. I personally do not experience dysphoria when I look at my genitals, but I do experience it when I look at my chest.

It's not crippling, and I don't collapse on the floor squealing that I've been triggered, but I still experience it.

It's true that a lot of trannies experience depression and other mental illnesses when they're dysphoric. They're also more at risk to attempt suicide.
Do I think that HRT and SRS should be immediately available to trannies? Yes, I do. But it also depends on health insurance. If you're still living under your parents' roof, and they refuse to pay for shit like that and tell you that you can do it when you have your own health insurance, I can understand that. It's expensive, and if you're not actually tranny like a lot of Tumblrinas aren't, and if (and I mean IF) you get the surgery, you might experience even worse dysphoria and you'll attempt to sue the doctor who cut your dick and balls off.

There's a reason why there's extensive psychological evaluations and referrals needed to get SRS. It's an extensive and long process and it's permanent; there's pretty much no way you can go back when you get it done.

I kind of went off on a tangent there, but TL;DR:
The fake trannies we see on Tumblr like to shriek that you don't need dysphoria to be tranny, just so they can be included in a minority they don't belong in. The extensive psych evaluations are there to prevent them from actually getting their surgery and HRT, because chances are, they won't be satisfied with the results and they'll attempt to start legal battles with the surgeon.

 

[Anime-Chan]

(Long post)The topic about anything relating to Trans stuff always confuses me. Not to the point where I don't want to understand but more to the point that's it's too frustrating to understand. Each individual has their own grasp on what it's like to be trans. Some people say they experience dsyphoria(which is the basics) then you have people who say they don't. At first you would think that the only way to not feel dsyphoria anymore would be that they finally feel as though they're the sex they want to be. But then you have people who's like "I'm comfortable with myself" so then what are you trying to transition to? It makes me think that it's just a phase, like being emo or whatever. Then you have those type of people who will try to argue with that you have no right to speak on the matter when they honestly don't know what the fck they're trying to say themselves. I remember getting hate from the trans community on this site when I post a thread mentioning this girl who I use to be friends with changing their gender because "lol yaoiz" and her boyfriend who honestly thought she was a boy broke up with her because she really was a girl. So he got a lot of hate for breaking up with her because she's a "valid trans" despite her not having any type of dysphoria, she was just fetshing the concept(it's actually kinda weird knowing that most of the people on the internet who say they're "boys" are actually just girls" and the majority of them are "gay" and like reading gay anime sex so you kinda see where they wanting to be a boy). This may honestly get power level ratings but this is something I honestly do want to understand.