Youtubers didn't kill the milsurp market - panic buying post-Sandy Hook did.
General GunTuber thread. - Currently focused on documenting the descent of Karl Kasarda.
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I don't even think it was that; the milsurp market suffered a natural heat death; albeit accelerated by the internet and .gov interventions, one way or another. Classic gunshows vanishing was a massive symptom, and I saw a lot of parallels in them with malls; and the boomers propping them up starting to die in droves, as did mall retailers.
IMO the final nail was the choking off Slavic sources, as well as those from Asia before that. The last-gasp milsurp boom of the early '00s would've come a lot earlier had the 90's never happened, and that only lasted simply because so many Mausers & Mosins were made; but the supply was always finite.
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And WWII/really early Cold War is honestly the last batch of milsurp we're ever likely to get in anything approaching decent quantity. Everything after that is too tacticool for import/export laws to be cool with.
MG-34
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Video games helped. I remember young Cowadoody players buying up Mosin Nagants, Nagant Revolvers, Tokarevs in the late 2000s because of video games. Same crowd would buy up PSLs thinking they were SVDs. Granted PSLs were sub 500 dollar guns back then and not a bad fun gun.
Posting this AIM Surplus fall/winter 2002 catalog to demonstrate what once was.
For those playing the home game and trying to do math in their heads, the inflation rate between 2002 and 2021 is just about 50%.
Also, holy shit that catalog is hitting me right in the nostalgia. I haven't seen anything like that in so long.
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Man, why you gotta fuck with my heart like that? 2002 was also AWB era though, so there wasn't much incentive for a company to make AR15s like there is nowadays, especially since gun scares weren't as frequent.
Disregard, fuckery on my end made it seem like it.
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Tried again and it worked, so I'm guessing it was on my end and can't confirm he did.
Maybe just a random system hiccup, but I would not put it past him.
Hol up. The guy just died. That quote doesn't make any sense.
Also, John McAfee may have been a living meme, but the guy wasn't exactly a saint in the eyes of Karl's progressive buddies. Varied taste in women, though. I gotta give him that. So, be careful there, Karl. You might be cruisin' for a cancelin'.
I'll stand corrected.
I've always viewed Kimbers with a skeptic eye, but I'd love to hear a quick rundown of that meltdown.
A considerate ally; he didn't spell it with a hard R.
One would also have to get rid of the 1968 GCA, and 922(r). You'd be surprised at how much cool stuff is just lying packed up in cosmoline or gathering dust. Russia alone has enormous stockpiles of shit they captured from Germany back in WW2, millions and millions of rifles, subguns, machineguns, pistols, grenade launchers, etc.
Supply has always been finite, but a lot of stuff is tied up somewhere else in the world because of legislation and politics. Potentially, they could one day be released to people who'll care for them,
"One of God's own prototypes." I guess that goes for Karl too, but in a far less charming sense.
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Less "utilized all of the top of the line processes and materials to push the boundaries of what's possible" prototype, more one of those cocaine fever dream 80s backup pistols that Ian always seems to end up owning.
$60 dollars for a Czech Mauser.
I'm literally crying.
I'm literally crying.
That little detail accounted for a lot of salt & sandy pussy in boomer/"old guard" collectors. They jealously gatekept against younger guys, and responded to inquires for information or data with contempt; I even saw gunshow vendors only pull out the good stuff whenever guys as crusty as they were came along.
I've even heard much of their bitching echoed here; like bemoaning the lack of legwork it took to learn, along with gamers/young guys not having proper respect for the serious business of gun collecting, etc. But mostly I encountered/overheard a lot of hostility because their monopoly (especially on supply) was vanishing.
It was especially bad coming from Mauser spergs, who couldn't stand seeing rare waffenamts end up in the hands of gamers/movie fans, a fate worse than being rehomed with Bubba (because at least Bubba is ignorant).
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I'll be the first to say that it's good to have some gatekeeping, you'll want some standards in your hobby community, people shouldn't come waltzing in and expect to be taken seriously if they lack in interest and competence, or they have a hidden political agenda (you know the kind of faggot who comes in and demands identity politics bullshit), but at the same time I think it's the most bitter grognard bullshit to turn away people with genuine interest who are looking to learn and be a part of your hobby.
You know what happens to your hobby if you all put your effort into turning away anyone who's new, no matter what? Eventually the hobby will die, and when YOU die, all of your collection or your work will most likely fade away and be lost, and if you were truly serious about the history and your passion for guns, that should horrify you to your core.
New blood is absolutely vital, you should hold some standards, but you should be able to tell which people have what it takes or are willing to learn.
You know what happens to your hobby if you all put your effort into turning away anyone who's new, no matter what? Eventually the hobby will die, and when YOU die, all of your collection or your work will most likely fade away and be lost, and if you were truly serious about the history and your passion for guns, that should horrify you to your core.
New blood is absolutely vital, you should hold some standards, but you should be able to tell which people have what it takes or are willing to learn.
Great message. Unfortunately very few people are willing to take a nuanced view to things. Everybody wants to hammer an one-size-fits-all solution to everything. I'm glad the guys at the range I went to back when I got my very first gun were eager to show me the ropes. Times were a little different back then, I guess. I wouldn't have given up on the hobby if they had pushed me away, but it would have made things considerably more difficult for young Corn Flakes.
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Karl memorializing an alleged rapist and murderer?
I personally could care less about his accusations but Karl continues to be the king of progressive hypocrisy.
Well I’m willing to overlook Karl’s usual shenanigans due to him recently speaking out and strongly condemning the Biden administration’s multi-tiered assault on gun rights.
Oh wait…..no he didn’t. The only politics he’s willing to wade into are various social justice causes. While saying nothing about the omnipresent threat to a right he claims to care about. At least Ian doesn’t delve into politics *period*.
Karl wants to be “welcoming” to non-traditional gun enthusiasts. I get that and also approve. But he should also be making it clear to these individuals that the officials *they* helped to elect with their votes are the ones leading the charge to eviscerate their 2A rights. But he doesn’t want to risk “triggering” his new fan base with “right wing” talking points. So he says nothing on the current *clear and present threats* to gun rights and instead uses his platform purely to play culture warrior.
Either do both, or neither, Karl.
There are straight-up worthless shill gun channels out there coming out stronger against the ATF proposals, Biden’s nonsense etc than Karl is.
Oh wait…..no he didn’t. The only politics he’s willing to wade into are various social justice causes. While saying nothing about the omnipresent threat to a right he claims to care about. At least Ian doesn’t delve into politics *period*.
Karl wants to be “welcoming” to non-traditional gun enthusiasts. I get that and also approve. But he should also be making it clear to these individuals that the officials *they* helped to elect with their votes are the ones leading the charge to eviscerate their 2A rights. But he doesn’t want to risk “triggering” his new fan base with “right wing” talking points. So he says nothing on the current *clear and present threats* to gun rights and instead uses his platform purely to play culture warrior.
Either do both, or neither, Karl.
There are straight-up worthless shill gun channels out there coming out stronger against the ATF proposals, Biden’s nonsense etc than Karl is.
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