General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Positron

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if transgender okay, why isn't transracial okay? just explain it.
because its exactly the same, pretending to be something you have never actually been, all based on outward stereotypes. "i like basketball & hip hop so i'm black"
Especially since race has even less biological correlations (none, according to really woke scientists) than sex.

everybody needs to keep asking them this question.
look at what they did to rebecca tuvel for addressing this point. even being pro-troon didn't save her from the mob. this question infuriates them & its their weak link. they can't reply. they can't even come up with a :dumb: answer for this one.
Because critical theory and identity politics are really dumb and inconsistent. They must be totally expunged from academia.
 

Tasty Tatty

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if transgender okay, why isn't transracial okay? just explain it.
If you want an actual answer, transgenderism is technically an illness in which a person with a male anatomy has a more female-oriented functioning brain so these two don't fit. I'm not saying it is like this, only that this is how gender disphoria is understood by the somehow sane members of the trans-activism community. Yes, there is not such a thing as a "female" or "male" brain, but certain behaviours specific to those genders do exist, and it's more than the brain, but a combination of factors involving the brain.

Now, transracial is a different thing because there isn't a "black brain" or a "polynesian brain" or an "asian brain". Not to say that race is also a very arbitrary definition, unlike gender. The characteristics associated with certain ethnic groups are either cultural or environmental. Or both, but not biological.

Now, you're telling me transpeople can't say this? Well, I guess it's because they don't want to admit they're sick and most people, like Zach are just pretending to be trans.
 

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I'm not sure if this counts but Casimir Pulaski.

Pulaski was a Polish cavalryman who came to America to fight the British during the Revolutionary War. Pulaski, and the Hungarian Michael Fabriczy, are regarded as "The Fathers of American Cavalry". Pulaski died in the Battle of Savannah and the fate of his remains was always a debated thing. Some said he was buried at sea, while others alleged he was buried at different places. In 1996 some team excavated human remains from one such location and did all kinds of tests on it. They said the hip of the skeleton looked feminine so now, Casimir Fucking Pulaski, is alleged to be intersex and if you go to his wiki page it says he was LGBT.

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I only include this because trans acolytes like to talk about intersex people and shit and Casimir Pulaski doesn't deserve this kind of character assassination.

There HAVE been cases of obviously trans people in history* (Billy Tipton), but a good bit of the time, people just name someone who didn't fit into common gender stereotypes. A LOT of women used to disguise themselves as men back in the day for various reasons. Some wanted to accompany their husbands into war, for their own survival, or to make a living. And then there were women like Joan of Arc, or Anne Bonny, who freely admitted to be women, but lived a man's life. Because duh, back in the day, gender roles were a lot fucking stricter. I think a lot of people tend to confuse gender roles and gender identity. That and we like to stereotype. Like back in the day, tomboys were assumed to be lesbians, now they're assumed to be trans.

Either way, it's generally hard to tell about people in the past. James Barry is a tough one. I do lean on the side that say they were a dude, or at least, intersex. It's usually easier to tell who was gay than who was trans.

But really, there's nothing new under the sun.

*Most of the time, it wasn't until they died that everyone found out the real deal.




This makes me irrationally angry.
1. Malcom was exceptional, watch his documentary, and don't pretend he was the smartest knife in the drawer.
2. He was a gay, black man in the 80s, who was also homeless. He was genuinely the epitome of oppressed and now some white faggot trannies are trying to coopt his experience as a gay, black man who was murdered. I don't like LGBT peoples too much, but Malcom was a kind human being who was taken advantage of too many times in his life.
Remember -- there really wasn't much distinction between crossdressers, trans people, or drag queens. They were all considered to be "transsexual". So I think that's why people get confused.
 

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i notice zach made fun of sarah ditum but like every other troon, he still couldn't answer the question.

if transgender okay, why isn't transracial okay? just explain it.
because its exactly the same, pretending to be something you have never actually been, all based on outward stereotypes. "i like basketball & hip hop so i'm black"

what :else: could it be?

many of us white folks can now whip out DNA certificates proving we are 5% african american or whatever. but i guarantee you i am 0% female. yet they 'accept' the one with no actual percentage. why is that?

everybody needs to keep asking them this question.
look at what they did to rebecca tuvel for addressing this point. even being pro-troon didn't save her from the mob. this question infuriates them & its their weak link. they can't reply. they can't even come up with a :dumb: answer for this one.

if its obvious that transracialism/transgender have nothing in common, they should logically be able to explain why.
have at it, zach. but try not to be a raving trashy florida racist as you explain further.
There's some pretty fun examples of transracial people in the race faker thread, by the way. Four of them are transgender on top of being transracial. :popcorn:

Either way, it's generally hard to tell about people in the past. James Barry is a tough one. I do lean on the side that say they were a dude, or at least, intersex. It's usually easier to tell who was gay than who was trans.
She literally transitioned just so she could go to medical school and join the army. From wikipedia:
The teenage Barry was educated with the prospect of becoming a tutor, but given a lack of evidence of any work history, the Bulkleys appear to have struggled to find Barry any suitable tutoring positions.[12] A conspiracy appears to have developed between Barry, Mary-Ann Bulkley and some of the late James Barry's influential, liberal-minded friends (General Francisco de Miranda, Dr Edward Fryer, who had become Barry's personal tutor, and Daniel Reardon, the family's solicitor) to enable the teenage Barry to enter medical school.[13] The University of Edinburgh was chosen and Mary-Ann and Barry boarded a Leith smack on 30 November 1809.[14] And so, Margaret Anne Bulkley became James Barry, nephew of the late James Barry RA the Irish romantic painter and remained known thus for the next 56 years.
In a letter chiding John Bulkley, Barry's older brother, for abandoning legal studies for the military, 19-year-old Barry wrote: "Was I not a girl I would be a Soldier!"
I assume she didn't want to be outed even after death for fear that if news of her real sex spread, people might remember her as a degenerate pervert instead of a respectable surgeon. That's just a theory, though. All we know for sure is that her initial transition seemed unrelated to dysphoria.

Remember -- there really wasn't much distinction between crossdressers, trans people, or drag queens. They were all considered to be "transsexual". So I think that's why people get confused.
That confusion can easily be cleared up by reminding people that Marsha died in 1992, when transgender and drag queen were known to be different things.

If you want an actual answer, transgenderism is technically an illness in which a person with a male anatomy has a more female-oriented functioning brain so these two don't fit. I'm not saying it is like this, only that this is how gender disphoria is understood by the somehow sane members of the trans-activism community. Yes, there is not such a thing as a "female" or "male" brain, but certain behaviours specific to those genders do exist, and it's more than the brain, but a combination of factors involving the brain.

Now, transracial is a different thing because there isn't a "black brain" or a "polynesian brain" or an "asian brain". Not to say that race is also a very arbitrary definition, unlike gender. The characteristics associated with certain ethnic groups are either cultural or environmental. Or both, but not biological.

Now, you're telling me transpeople can't say this? Well, I guess it's because they don't want to admit they're sick and most people, like Zach are just pretending to be trans.
Many transpeople still act like their birth sex, they just convince themselves they don't even though it's obvious to everyone else. Prime example:


Some characteristics associated with certain ethnic groups are definitely biological, it's just not politically correct to say it because racists might use it to promote racial supremacy. Neanderthals had brains that were distinctly different from those we find in modern humans, that's evidence brains are subject to evolution and genetic inheritance just like the rest of our bodies. It's also possible to selectively breed personality traits in animals, we've done it to silver foxes: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180927105659.htm
There's no reason to assume the same principle doesn't apply to humans.
 
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nukes

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I’ve always found transgender people strange, but of course that’s not a reason for me to dislike them as a whole. I accept that people who do and think things I disagree with can still be respectable and decent people.

It has made me question the motives of trans people more. Before, I thought that anyone who thinks they’re a different gender to the one they were born as is insanely troubled and left it at that. I didn’t care for any aspect of the trans community and avoided talking about it since it wasn’t something I had much knowledge about. Now, I still think anyone who thinks they’re a different gender to the one they were born as is insanely troubled, but I wonder what made the trans people I come across transition.

It would be nice if no one had gender dysphoria and didn’t transition but unfortunately people do and there’s nothing I can do about that. I fully respect trans people who have other things to talk about besides their transition,
don’t force anyone to accept them or have sex with them, and are normal functioning members of society. Troons are shitty people and invade every space they can find.
 

Radiant Orchit

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I'd like to say the ones on KF are outliers and not representative of the wider community, but without exception, literally every troon I've ever met in real life has the same collection of cluster B traits, weird rigid sexist ideas about what men/women are like, and bottomless need for validation and control.

They all carry the seed of lolcow potential within them, but a lucky few find the right growing conditions of a platform and an infamy-generating idea, and they grow a beautiful lol flower for us all.
 

Archeosaur A. Dromaeosaur

This shit really ruffles my feathers
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Some individual trans people can be just fine. If someone’s a chill dude, regardless of identity politics, I’m gonna be chill with them.

However, the overall “trans community” is an ass-cancer movement that is actively harming their own cause, the only people they benefit are the people who want to sit back and laugh at them. Humanity as a whole would be better off if the whole community petered (heh) out next year, trans people included.

I’d feel bad for any normal dudes who get swept up in the wave of retard rage, but in the end they’ll just have to reap what they’ve sown. This current bout of lunacy won’t last forever, and I can’t imagine the intense normie backlash that’ll happen once the rat’s nest is finally exposed. It’ll probably resemble the 80’s satanic panic, but with actual child abusers involved this time.


In real life, I just don’t care either way about the 700 genders and personally prefer to be cordial with people I meet. If that includes using they/them or whatever, sure, alright. If they’ve got a personality beyond that, great!
 
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I think having gender dysphoria can give you some baggage, but that's the same for a lot of stuff, having a speech impediment or a violent alcoholic dad.
So I find that a lot of people can have their specific tweaks -- but that's the shit they are getting over, like we all do to varying degrees.

The ratking...I think it's a way dysfunctional amplification of that. What weirds me out about it is that, and I guess this is why they are a ratking, is they seem to target and abuse one-another exploiting the vulnerabilities of that baggage.
My intro to this was Devi Ever (now isobelmouse) I remember him as Tim from back in the day on guitar forums, then Devi. So he's sort of the model of this from my referencepoint.
Basically I think the go completely parasitically co-dependent in this "solidarity" thing where they demand unconditional approval from one-another, but since they'll call each other out on "not supporting" it's actually all conditional. So I guess it is sort of classic co-dependence...they just set up an entanglement of dependent neediness.
The money infighting is crazy. it's a little like junkies I suppose, it's hard to feed the habit.
I wonder if it's because maybe they retreated into sort of a fantasy-world at a formative age, so now a lot of them have trouble dealing with the realities of steady employment, etc -- I mean there's escapism as a break from the world, but they seem to have a full on retreat...It sure seems like a lot of them gravitate towards games and comics and talk about not wanting to grow up (peter Pan syndrome) -- a fantasy world when they can view thmselves as, well they are all pretty much the same, slinky cat-ear anime character
So it's probably similar to large weeaboo culture that sort of fetishizes japanese shut-ins (hikiamori??)
 

GloryBoy

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It exposed me to Blanchard's typology and a lot of the hard-to-swallow truths about the transgender community, namely that there is a clear delineation between transgender people based on sexual orientation i.e. AGP vs. homosexual transsexual (plenty of studies lend credence to Blanchard's typology but the real smoking gun, for me personally, was James Cantor's MRI study). Prior to this I just thought they were a group of odd but relatively harmless people who probably got exposed to too much estrogen or testosterone in the womb which turned their male brain into a lady brain or vice-versa (this is actually true for homosexual transsexuals to an extent, but they are a minority within the trans community, and regardless the structure of the homosexual-transsexual brain more closely mirrors the structure of (cis) homosexual males as opposed to heterosexual females).

That aside, I'm still not 100% sure how to approach this topic policy-wise. One of the few things I'm adamant about is not enabling transition in kids under 18, mainly because most of these kids are homosexual trannsexuals and will more likely than not become comfortable with the gender they were born as at some point in their adolescence, which we have plenty of evidence in favor of from Kenneth Zucker's research. The other thing that bothers me is the (admittedly TERF) talking point of the consequences of predatory AGP's being allowed into women's spaces. I've tried to keep a nuanced understanding of AGP, namely that it's more akin to a full-blown sexual orientation rather than a simple fetishistic disorder, that the process from transvesitic fetishism -> MtF is long, complex, unique, and not exactly a concious "choice" of the autogynephile

But at the end of the day: the primary motivation for transition among AGP's across the board is the steady care packages of dopamine they derive from the sexual thrill of 'becoming' a woman. This means that everything from someone "correctly gendering" them to the act of them buying tampons at CVS is a sexual act that arouses them. Similarly, joining an all women's gym or a women's only spa is also an inherently erotic activity for the AGP, wherein they make people (very often cis women, who AGP are primarily sexually attracted to) unwitting performers in their inverted sexual fantasies.

Now comes the hard part. AGP's throw full-blown narcissistic rage-fits when their preferred "gender identity" is not acknowledged in exactly the way they want it to be. If an AGP is denied access to a women's space, or is "misgendered" etc., events can transition (heh) into a violent, possibly deadly encounter depending on how deep the narcissistic wound you gave them digs into their ego. This is why I'm skeptical of the types of 'compromise' that many sexologists are willing to pursue when it comes to the Trans Question. Blanchard suggests that we grant AGP's a partial legal recoginition when it comes to their preferred gender identity, i.e. changing gender on license, letting people who are accepting of AGP sexuality humor AGP's as much as they want. But this will also be met with a ban on AGP's regarding strictly-women's spaces, as well as a more widespread social understanding of how autogynephilic sexuality operates. While I think this proposal is the perfect balance between respect for the AGP's preferred way to live, as well as individual-rights to not unwittingly be dragged into someone else's sexual fantasies, this will never be accepted by the mainstream in any significant way. AGP's simply will not stand for anything other than "treated EXACTLY like natal women under all circumstances" or else you're committing a heckin erasure/bigoted violence.

And this is a shame too, because Blanchard is a world-renowned sexologist with an h-index of 65, but despite the widespread acceptance of his ideas in the field he's been working in for 4+ decades, the mainstream is far more skewed towards manichean moralism when it comes to discussions on this topic, i.e. trans people are an oppressed group and the activists behind the movement are always right no matter what. It's difficult to communicate any of these ideas in a public setting without getting death threats galore, just look at Jesse Singal. And I know this post is an autistic, adderal driven wall of text so I'm gonna close this up nicely: Trans people are humans just like you and me, they deserve respect, and in many cases someone not being allowed to transition is disasterous for their mental health, but at the same time it is simply not acceptable to let unwitting normies become part of their sexual roleplaying. We need to figure out a way to honor the dignity of AGP's while also communicating that it's completely fucked to drag oblivious normies into their fetishistic roleplay
 

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It exposed me to Blanchard's typology and a lot of the hard-to-swallow truths about the transgender community, namely that there is a clear delineation between transgender people based on sexual orientation i.e. AGP vs. homosexual transsexual (plenty of studies lend credence to Blanchard's typology but the real smoking gun, for me personally, was James Cantor's MRI study). Prior to this I just thought they were a group of odd but relatively harmless people who probably got exposed to too much estrogen or testosterone in the womb which turned their male brain into a lady brain or vice-versa (this is actually true for homosexual transsexuals to an extent, but they are a minority within the trans community, and regardless the structure of the homosexual-transsexual brain more closely mirrors the structure of (cis) homosexual males as opposed to heterosexual females).

That aside, I'm still not 100% sure how to approach this topic policy-wise. One of the few things I'm adamant about is not enabling transition in kids under 18, mainly because most of these kids are homosexual trannsexuals and will more likely than not become comfortable with the gender they were born as at some point in their adolescence, which we have plenty of evidence in favor of from Kenneth Zucker's research. The other thing that bothers me is the (admittedly TERF) talking point of the consequences of predatory AGP's being allowed into women's spaces. I've tried to keep a nuanced understanding of AGP, namely that it's more akin to a full-blown sexual orientation rather than a simple fetishistic disorder, that the process from transvesitic fetishism -> MtF is long, complex, unique, and not exactly a concious "choice" of the autogynephile

But at the end of the day: the primary motivation for transition among AGP's across the board is the steady care packages of dopamine they derive from the sexual thrill of 'becoming' a woman. This means that everything from someone "correctly gendering" them to the act of them buying tampons at CVS is a sexual act that arouses them. Similarly, joining an all women's gym or a women's only spa is also an inherently erotic activity for the AGP, wherein they make people (very often cis women, who AGP are primarily sexually attracted to) unwitting performers in their inverted sexual fantasies.

Now comes the hard part. AGP's throw full-blown narcissistic rage-fits when their preferred "gender identity" is not acknowledged in exactly the way they want it to be. If an AGP is denied access to a women's space, or is "misgendered" etc., events can transition (heh) into a violent, possibly deadly encounter depending on how deep the narcissistic wound you gave them digs into their ego. This is why I'm skeptical of the types of 'compromise' that many sexologists are willing to pursue when it comes to the Trans Question. Blanchard suggests that we grant AGP's a partial legal recoginition when it comes to their preferred gender identity, i.e. changing gender on license, letting people who are accepting of AGP sexuality humor AGP's as much as they want. But this will also be met with a ban on AGP's regarding strictly-women's spaces, as well as a more widespread social understanding of how autogynephilic sexuality operates. While I think this proposal is the perfect balance between respect for the AGP's preferred way to live, as well as individual-rights to not unwittingly be dragged into someone else's sexual fantasies, this will never be accepted by the mainstream in any significant way. AGP's simply will not stand for anything other than "treated EXACTLY like natal women under all circumstances" or else you're committing a heckin erasure/bigoted violence.

And this is a shame too, because Blanchard is a world-renowned sexologist with an h-index of 65, but despite the widespread acceptance of his ideas in the field he's been working in for 4+ decades, the mainstream is far more skewed towards manichean moralism when it comes to discussions on this topic, i.e. trans people are an oppressed group and the activists behind the movement are always right no matter what. It's difficult to communicate any of these ideas in a public setting without getting death threats galore, just look at Jesse Singal. And I know this post is an autistic, adderal driven wall of text so I'm gonna close this up nicely: Trans people are humans just like you and me, they deserve respect, and in many cases someone not being allowed to transition is disasterous for their mental health, but at the same time it is simply not acceptable to let unwitting normies become part of their sexual roleplaying. We need to figure out a way to honor the dignity of AGP's while also communicating that it's completely fucked to drag oblivious normies into their fetishistic roleplay
They need counselling. Despite agps squealing that it's murder, counselling is the first and last step for every other mental illness. Curious as to why it's not the case for agps.
 

Guts Gets Some

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I think this will be unpopular, but I have always had a theory, and this is the only place I can say it without the woke mob going after me.

I don't doubt many of them have gender dysphoria as a real psychological issue. I would like say people like Iron Liz.

But I think actual dysphoria cases are even smaller than people think. Consider the fact that even though they are still a minority the cases of trans people have skyrocketed with woke culture enabling them, I feel like there must be something else at play. If it was just dysphoria, something in their brains they were born with, their numbers would be steady not growing.

I suspect there is another cause, especially for those that don't suffer from dysphoria (that is the belief they have always been women) yet are transexuals: Envy. I would put people like CWC in this category.

This also explains why most of them are MTF, which outnumber FTM by a lot. It's not that women can't have envy (obviously). But it's rather that men are envying something very specific.

The fact of the matter is that many men, like incels, tend to resent the fact that Young attractive women have a lot of male attention, because, let's face it, a lot of men especially the younger ones are desperate and thirsty. So you see them in real life and places like twitch with many loser men treating women like literal goddesses. Be society, biology, or whatever, men are expected to go after women.

So they think Women have it much easier.

But, unlike incels, instead of resenting women, they try to become one. CWC resented all the hardwork he had to make for his "love quest". Why should he "suffer" so much when people can have a "love quest" for him?

I read an article of one transgender that said that he liked to pretend to be a woman in WOW, for all the extra attention, and that convinced him to transition.

They don't seem to get how most women don't get that attention, and that being a woman isn't easy as they think. So they delude themselves to think that transitioning will make them as privileged as the 1% of women (attractive celebrities, literal supermodels, and instathots) all while ignoring the fact that most women don't get that much attention. They don't see the plain-looking receptionist or, maid or office worker.

Their delusion is to think that transitioning will give them something not even most actual ciswomen can't have.

They have an idealized idea of what being a woman is, so that's why you see them using fantasy names. And that's why many of them are "lesbians". In reality, they are still attracted to women, it's just that they want to have the supposed privileges they think women have.
The media fucks up these desperate young men's perception of women so bad, it's not even funny.

You're dead on accurate regarding everything, and add in the fact, it also goes so far that I've seen guys who refer to women as separate species entirely. I mean, if you go to Google and type in "Do women...." and see the auto-results, it's embarrassing that anyone ever searched for some of the results at all, because they were unsure.
WOMEN DON'T GO TO THE BATHROOM, THEY ARE GODDESSES. There are people like that above the age of 10. Seriously. -_-

So no doubt they also feel a power up for their sad selves by becoming "goddesses" too, and again, CWC remains the prime example. He now has POWERS because he's a lovely goddess and all this bullshit. IT WAS HILLARY'S TIME BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN, AND ALL WOMEN ARE NURTURING AND WE'D NEVER HAVE WAR, etc.

And while CWC is the most insane person living today, the sad fact is, at least with these delusions, he's not alone.

All because women have been built up to these lonely guys as some other worldly beings, and not just.... human beings, like everyone else.

In fact, I'd say it's fucked up a lot of women too, who think that's what they need to strive to be; you see it writing everywhere now in woke Hollywood; you're not allowed to have flaws if you're a woman! You're perfect! Because you're female!

I don't know who has it worse, honestly. The next few generations are going to be so fucked up if this continues. And it's beyond sad.

Women and men should treat each other as equals, and the respect they have for one another should be earned.
 
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Homo chimp out in Britbongland. The Zombie Apocalypse has meant faggot “Pride” festivals are cancelled. There was an attempt to create a virtual one, but it was cancelled because offence archaeologists uncovered that some of the staff had problematic views (ie a bit right-wingy and pro Brexit). Archive
Chief amongst the whingers was fat, ugly, bull-dyke Linda Riley



UK police forces are distraught at the cancellation of “Pride” marches - it means they can’t dress up in rainbows and sparkles and unicorns and rainbows
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Stuffed Derma

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Remember the Evergreen State College fiasco? Relevant KF threads: 1 2

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Cooper Point Journal Asspats Article [archive]


AR Rushet / AR Mannylee Rushet / Ronnie / Veronica
  • Disabled and mad about it
  • Claims to have "alters" so there are definitely more names
  • Serial oversharer, exhibitionist
  • ebegger
  • Facebook
  • "sex work" twitter

Lawrence Walker III / Lauren-Louise Walker
  • Facebook
  • Also active online but WAY less horrifying than AR

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I found this piece that gave me a laugh:

“A soft chin,son Hermaphrodite
Effeminate, a defect of nature,
Faint in heart, devoid of all virtues,
But full of vice, which tends towards nothing but filth…
A woman out of a man, who should be bearded,
man without hair, this is an insult to everyone.
To meet them is nothing but misfortune,
And their gaze can be pleasing to no one.
They make sexual use of both kinds,
I have known them in my time to be
Untrustworthy, disloyal, evil”


It's a medieval piece about intersex people but could just as easily be about modern troons.
What's slightly annoying about the page in the link is that it doesn't even describe what intersex is, psa: biology can get pretty crazy but the idea that humans can have two sets of fully functional genits they can pick between is just a fantasy.
 
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