General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Enoby Way

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Long rant, includes comparisons to the furry community

It destroyed a decent chunk of my faith in humanity because I realised how entitled, myopic and abusive so many people can be and use a special status to get away with it, and how autogynephilia's pervasiveness in the trans community, masking as genuine trans activism, was actually a real thing.

I understand the need for trans activism--its something there is a lot of stigma against, there will be activists til it's normalised in society as a thing some people need (after EXTENSIVE psych analysis and counselling).

But my god these activists need to clean house. I am seeing the same problem as with furries.

Someone in the zoosadism thread pointed out that furries never figured out a decent identity, who should and shouldn't be classified as a part of the community in the early days. everyone got lumped in together and it never properly got sorted out.

Meanwhile, most of them genuinely aren't zoophiles or zoosadists, but where are zoophiles and zoosadists going to be drawn? A community of people who like animals, some of whom like sexualising anthropomorphicized versions of those animals.

By the time some of the "popufurs" were known to also be into zoophilia, zoosadism, cub porn, etc, they were too entrenched in the community. Instead of initiating a purge, burn, and salt the earth mentality, and repeating it every time it was necessary in order to root out these unethical, illegal, psychopathic abusive and honestly horrifying behaviours and people, the furry community makes some attempts but then eventually just gives up tries to cover it up, excuse it or ignore it. Because there is safety in numbers and a community reputation to think of.

They prefer a larger community with a louder voice, rather than a smaller one that might have a smaller voice but is also free of sick abusive manipulative fucks.

Tell me that doesn't sound like the trans community and their autogynephilia problem. The only difference is that autogynephilia isn't illegal while animal abuse is, so its easier to camouflage getting turned on by your feminised body as just a normal part of being trans. And they can use moralising arguments and shaming much more effectively.

I cannot respect that lack of integrity and the group-think and control.

As I am someone who just wants everyone to be happy and treat each other with respect and acknowledge each others' human rights... the realisation that what I call progressive social justice would now be called right-wing oppression by SJWs is just mind-boggling to me.

Never thought I would be a person who used a word like troon but it's increasingly hard to not use because now I understand with the stereotype comes from, and if a person says theyre trans but also displays some particular characteristics, I can't help but think... yeah, that's a troon.
 

Spooky Bones

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Apparently I am not a good ally to the fags in drag.

Also like half of those questions were about commieshit. One was straight up 'capitalism bad Y/N'. Commie trannies are like a voltron of shit I despise.
I wonder what the one question I was more of a tranny enabler than you were was about...
Agree the commie questions are absolute :lunacy: but what do you expect from troons.
 

GenitalFetishist

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https://www.idrlabs.com/transgender/test.php

Try to get the high score! Or answer honestly, or both.

I got 64% skeptic, and that's probably down to my convictions against enbies who are trans for clout and I would just be lying to myself if that wasn't real.
I'm apparently more sympathetic than I thought:

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Still don't think we should be giving kids hormones and surgery, or that trans people get to force other people to call them fae/faer/faerself.

Incidentally, I hate how it's always toilets they ask about. There are plenty of people who can argue better than I that sex segregated bathrooms are important, but I personally think they're far less important than shit like sports and prison accommodations.

I am also immediately suspicious of questions that revolve around "hate speech" when I know damned well that some people think that misgendering qualifies.
 

D_Tractor

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Honestly my problem lies in the fact that we just refuse to do more studies before hopping up kids on hormones blockers. We dont even know much of the downsides yet but everyone is still jumping on that train likes its free candy day.
Hormone blockers make your genitals never develop enough to be turned inside out to make functional opposite genitals. So any passing troons you see either still have a (tiny) dick or have a front hole way to small to stick a normal adult's dick in. It's a catch-22.
 

AnOminous

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I am also immediately suspicious of questions that revolve around "hate speech" when I know damned well that some people think that misgendering qualifies.
I don't believe in the concept of "hate speech" at all, at least as a legal category of unprotected speech. Neither does the Supreme Court, thank God.
 

Master Crouton

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TiMs don't deserve to use any public bathroom and should stuff their empty bras with bags that they can use to pick their feces up from the ground with
 
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Spastic Colon

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I'm apparently more sympathetic than I thought:

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Still don't think we should be giving kids hormones and surgery, or that trans people get to force other people to call them fae/faer/faerself.

Incidentally, I hate how it's always toilets they ask about. There are plenty of people who can argue better than I that sex segregated bathrooms are important, but I personally think they're far less important than shit like sports and prison accommodations.

I am also immediately suspicious of questions that revolve around "hate speech" when I know damned well that some people think that misgendering qualifies.
Am I the only one that got 100% skeptic? Honestly, I probably would have been much more sympathetic before I found out about Yaniv, Oger, McKinnon, and other troons like this. They can make a TERF out of anyone. I'd feel bad about it, but if they lobby for zero gatekeeping, I'm not going to put in a ton of effort to figure out which troons I should have sympathy for and which ones I should despise. Hating all of them is just easier.
 

Becquerel

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Apparently I'm a filthy centrist. I already knew that lol.
my results were similar but switched.
i'm sympathetic to an extent.
i like to believe that there's hope for everyone.
it's hard to accept reality after recently peaking.
it's even harder when realizing that a lot of the people who are speaking the truth on this issue would not see eye to eye with me on pretty much anything else.
it's just become impossible to ignore the lunacy.
funny how i actually peaked because of the pro trans subreddits.
 

Enoby Way

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I'm sympathetic too. I've also realised now that the amount of people claiming they are NB is just our current generation's way of saying "I don't like and don't identify with the way society sees my gender." And instead of living in defiance of that and seeking to change society's norms, and fix the problem, they've opted out.

I see it as a symptom of people just wanting to be treated as people regardless of our gender presentation and identity.

Mild PL, I honestly thought I was NB for a long time before I figured this out. I'm not. I was just fatigued from a fundamentalist childhood that taught me to look down on women, and trying to distance myself from the shit our society puts on both genders. "Women are less competent, men are disposable." At the time I was not mentally and emotionally resilient enough to cope with the reality of a lot of things. Guess what, I went to therapy.

That personal experience taught me that if you feel alienated from societal constructs of gender, you actually have a chance to change how people see the gender they perceive you as, and just to live your life however. Be part of the gateway that widens what is okay for women and men to do and be. I personally like the idea of a world where everyone is gender non-conforming, because we don't have demands of people based on gender anymore. Idk how realistic that is, but I like it all the same.
 
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