General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Tanuki Mixed Nuts

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I'm gonna try my best to avoid powerlevelling too hard. I just have a general experience with the whole transgender thing, and have only come out thinking worse of it/them as a whole.

I was once a pronouns in bio, wanting HRT, mentally fucked individual. That stage of my life went on a long while, mainly during my late teens. Though one of my big factors with that stuff, was that I realized I was not mentally well and wanted to get that sorted first. When I did, the insecurity in my "gender" or whatever didn't necessarily go away, but it was made less extreme where I was able to come to terms with reality. I am what I am, and as much as a cosmetic change will make me feel/look better on the surface, the foundation will remain the same.

The majority of the people who want to transition are in the same place but unwilling to accept that something they can't see (brain stuff) is more effectively taken care of than the stuff they can see (physical appearance). I know, I've talked to these people. I've been in Discords with these people. They don't want a different solution. It's rather saddening seeing people actively ruining their lives and health at relatively young ages, when they will likely never reach a point where they are truly satisfied with their transition. You can't turn back because of that pesky Gambler's fallacy, so you just sink further and further until you become a statistic.
 

Longcat

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Talking about how they’re transitioning kids younger and younger - a “non binary” 11 year old here has been put on puberty blockers because she doesn’t want an adult woman’s body. Every kid is self conscious about puberty at some point, and this gender ideology suggesting that the whole process can just be stopped in its tracks with drugs is just creating a bunch of children who will never grow up. Like the article says she’s going to take them until she’s 16, then what?

There hasn’t been much research done on these drugs and whether or not they’re reversible is unknown - all the studies published on them used kids who developed too early and then stopped taking the blockers once reaching a more typical age for puberty. But if the blockers are taken up until late teens/adulthood, when a person would otherwise have finished developing, and no cross-sex hormones are given, is this girl going to start puberty at 16, defeating the whole purpose of the drugs? Or is she going to be stuck permanently as a little girl?

The therapist allowing this is a quack. And the comment about “changing your body to what you see as the ideal” - how is this any different to unnecessary cosmetic surgery for non-genderspecial girls with body image issues? In the early 2000s a teenage girl in the UK got breast implants as a 16th birthday present and people were shocked, as they should be (her parents were plastic surgeons, so it’s likely that influenced her) though a kid wanting to be genderless is celebrated.
 

Lemmingwise

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Like the article says she’s going to take them until she’s 16, then what?
Permanent culture warrior.

In some sense it's not so different than the 50+ yo women who never stop plastic surgery. Very profitable for some. But then applied to kids. Very sick stuff.
 

Gus

Interlocutor
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I've flipped through page after page on this thread and it's always a rare treat to see that something new and interesting has been said, but I feel that this is mostly just an echo chamber where you can come to sperg on loop about transgenderism while you tell yourself what an intellectual discussion you're having.
 

Lemmingwise

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I've flipped through page after page on this thread and it's always a rare treat to see that something new and interesting has been said, but I feel that this is mostly just an echo chamber where you can come to sperg on loop about transgenderism while you tell yourself what an intellectual discussion you're having.
It's the nature of containment threads. They're easily derailed. It's hard to build up genuine side-topics. It's the result of organisation more than anything else.
 

Cactus Wings

Coughing for Cash
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I'm gonna try my best to avoid powerlevelling too hard. I just have a general experience with the whole transgender thing, and have only come out thinking worse of it/them as a whole.

I was once a pronouns in bio, wanting HRT, mentally fucked individual. That stage of my life went on a long while, mainly during my late teens. Though one of my big factors with that stuff, was that I realized I was not mentally well and wanted to get that sorted first. When I did, the insecurity in my "gender" or whatever didn't necessarily go away, but it was made less extreme where I was able to come to terms with reality. I am what I am, and as much as a cosmetic change will make me feel/look better on the surface, the foundation will remain the same.

The majority of the people who want to transition are in the same place but unwilling to accept that something they can't see (brain stuff) is more effectively taken care of than the stuff they can see (physical appearance). I know, I've talked to these people. I've been in Discords with these people. They don't want a different solution. It's rather saddening seeing people actively ruining their lives and health at relatively young ages, when they will likely never reach a point where they are truly satisfied with their transition. You can't turn back because of that pesky Gambler's fallacy, so you just sink further and further until you become a statistic.
Knew a guy with hormone imbalance. It was like meeting a new person the next day. After that he also gave up on his multi-gender furry character and settled with something normal and male.

I feel a lot of the "HRT can fix this" mentality comes from generally just being dissatisfied with yourself. A friend of mine went from being a thin dude to a chubby HRT-dude to now wanting to be overtly obese and be treated like a kween. And the second I go "Well I'm not happy with my body either but I don't project it into some weird gender issue" they lose their shit, as if they've got monopoly on body envy.

On one hand I'm sure there are lots of healthy sex-happy transsexuals out there, who smile when they're called a faggot tranny and go have sex with their supportive partner, but the ratios must be so insanely fucked. Like 50 gender critical north americans to every one passing south american porn goddess.
 

Tanuki Mixed Nuts

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Knew a guy with hormone imbalance. It was like meeting a new person the next day. After that he also gave up on his multi-gender furry character and settled with something normal and male.

I feel a lot of the "HRT can fix this" mentality comes from generally just being dissatisfied with yourself. A friend of mine went from being a thin dude to a chubby HRT-dude to now wanting to be overtly obese and be treated like a kween. And the second I go "Well I'm not happy with my body either but I don't project it into some weird gender issue" they lose their shit, as if they've got monopoly on body envy.

On one hand I'm sure there are lots of healthy sex-happy transsexuals out there, who smile when they're called a faggot tranny and go have sex with their supportive partner, but the ratios must be so insanely fucked. Like 50 gender critical north americans to every one passing south american porn goddess.
I said in my post before that the effort to just change your appearance seems easier than changing your mentality, whether through meds, or physically changing your lifestyle in a positive way. It's similar to why a fat person wouldn't want to work out, and would rather just surround themselves with fat people who think being fat is just as good as being otherwise healthy. The path of changing themselves in a way they perceive as more difficult is just less appealing.

HRT itself, at least when I was younger and introduced to it as a concept, seems almost like a miracle to someone who wants to be the opposite sex. Though, obviously the trans people on the internet would rather only push out the good effects and not the fact that a lot of side effects will happen and a lot of them will be there forever. The "HRT can fix this" thing, is only partially self imposed, and is majorly influenced by trans groups on the internet selling it like they are trying to induct you into a cult.

At this point in my life, I wouldn't know what I think of myself physically, but it doesn't really matter that much. As you said, everyone has some insecurities, some of them massive, and some of them so small that you can't help but be annoyed that you notice it at all. Trans people are just either TOLD they should transition and that it will help them, or they see that as the easiest path to changing for the better, when it's honestly a fuck ton of work and will effectively tie you to expensive meds for the rest of your life.

Oh and then there are those people who are attracted to something, so they "become" that thing by transitioning, and are only in it to satisfy some fetish rather than actually partake in some lifelong attempt to pretend you're normal.
 
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