General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I had a conversation with some young AGP guys on /tv/ of all places yesterday. It was shocking to hear they got into sissy hypno at age 13-15. One guy said he started watching it at age 13 and now at age 22 he felt like his life was ruined because it 'rewired' his brain and it's all he could think about. I told them both to quit that shit and get therapy but I think they're just gonna troon. One guy didn't want to go to therapy because he found confessing he was an AGP embarassing. Troon life and SRS is more embarassing, kiddo.

This sissy hypno crap is like an hard drug that creates addicts. If you replaced the words sissy hypno and AGP with heroin it would have been the same conversation. I still cannot wrap my head around it. Wasn't sure where to put this, but it's still bugging me today. It upsets me because a decade ago these kids would have just been (fat) spergy shitposters and we'd have a laugh about gamer words or do a shitty raid, and now they're hopeless porn-addicts that hate themselves.

 

[Cuck Shack]

The Reimer case is a strange one. It sticks around and gets as much air time as it does, because everyone seems to think it specifically confirms their priors. Troons believe is demonstrates that some kind of inborn gender identity exists, while critics like it because of a perceived analogy to contemporary care and because they feel that it demonstrates some evilness at the heart of trooning out children.

None of these things are really true. What Reimer was subject to doesn't really bear any real significance to modern troon 'treatments' and whether the conceptual language was originated by Money is ultimately irrelevant. For one, Money wasn't 'affirming' Reimer so much as he was attempting to condition or 'teach' him to 'be a girl.' You see the problem with Brenda (David's female name) was that she was an extremely boyish girl, the impression you get is that Brenda went way over being a mere 'tomboy. She found herself unable to make friends with girls, was bullied as 'cave woman' and . Interestingly, she did not actually seem to doubt that she was a girl until around the age of 9; this would be late by pediatric troon standards. However, these early doubts don't actually seem to be very organic, the (admittedly unprovable) feeling I have is that it was actually the experiences with Money and the demands for her to a vagina constructed that occurred around this time that actually triggered David's progressive realization.

In fact, in some strange sense Money was right that at least 'gender identity' is substantially, but not totally a matter of socialization. This is seen in the pattern of identification of XY intersex children; gender them as boys and they will almost all remain as boys, gender them as girls and a significant fraction will end up living as men. More conclusively, this study found that 5/14 hormonally normal boys born with cloacal exstrophy assigned female at birth remained female at follow-up. It is possible that more of them transitioned after the completion of the study (one of them was only 9 years old at follow-up), but it seems that despite all of the children being masculine at least a fraction were nonetheless comfortable being raised as girls. Of the 9 that did transition, four of them assumed their male identities after having been informed of their genetic status which may or may not mean anything, since it could have been proffered by their parents in response to gender-related issues or spontaneously given.

It didn't really work out with David, which is not unsurprising but not knowable a priori. The problem with David was probably just a mixture of chance factors combined with the fact that he seems to have been highly masculine even as a boy. As I said before, Money, ironically, probably shot himself in the foot by attempting to feminize David's behavior since it seems that his efforts helped catalyze David's desire to be a boy. This is analogous to how ethnic minorities with stronger gender norms produce more troons.

After his father tells him what had happened when he was an infant; the destruction of his penis, the decision to raise him as a girl etc., David 'transitions' into a boy at the age of 14, in this capacity he actually finds instant sympathy and quickly becomes somewhat popular as a boy and acquires himself a girlfriend. From here on out, he actually seems to have lived a reasonably happy and fulfilled life for a time. He gets married, raises some step-kids etc.. Unfortunately his brother, Brian fairs much less well, developing severe psychiatric issues before overdosing on anti-depressants. In the two years after Brian's death, it seems that David's life falls apart, he becomes severely depressed (blaming himself for Brian's problems) while also becoming unemployed himself. His wife eventually decides to ask for a divorce and two days later David commits suicide in a car park.

Despite, the tragic ending, I don't think it is possible to meaingfully conclude that it was Money who "really" killed David let alone Brian. David's death - to me at least - seems like a death of despair like any other, and while maybe in his last moments David thought about Money, I don't know that it really mattered. David hadn't seen Money for over 25 years; all the skin-crawling play acting seems remote and frankly irrelevant in the face of the problems facing David at the time of his death. It seems that attributions of blame for David's death are entirely motivated by a desire to make David's ghost serve their ends than it is by any consideration of the facts.

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In the end, the Reimer case shows little of anything. It is a case study within a wider literature demonstrating that gender-related expressive inclinations are strongly influenced by pre-natal factors*. Most probably by exposure to androgens and estrogens. Just like the rest of this literature, it does not provide evidence for the existence of 'gender identity' as an inborn and essentially biological feature of humans. It is at best agnostic on the subject, and realistically I should think that it is weakly opposed to the notion. You cannot separate behavioral dispositions from identity formations, because David was plainly masculine from the age of 2-3 until his death. It is perfectly valid to conclude that the male identity that he assumed at the age of 14 and probably desired from the age of at least 11 was the product of his failure to fit as a girl as opposed to any innate need to be socially oriented or perceived as a boy.

The case doesn't provide much insight for clinicians beyond a general caution against attempting to alter basic behavioral inclinations. Nobody seeks to do such things anymore, and since at least the 1990s this has been the consensus view with respect to gender-related therapy. It should also be noted that David's behavioral inclinations were very likely much stronger than most gender dysphoric or non-conforming children's are. Moreover, his general psychological profile was likely much more discordant with his assigned gender than most such children's are. Finally, if behavior-identity incongruence is acceptable (i.e. "It's OK to like Barbies as a boy!"), which everyone (except the Iranian ayatollahs) claims is the case, then it provides no guidance into whether it is reasonable to "affirm" a child in a cross-sex identity as opposed to help them accept themselves as a non-conforming member of their birth-sex.


And, as a post-script: it has literally no revelance for definitely (birth-sex) gender-conforming degenerates like Mr. Gibes.


*EDIT: I thought I'd elaborate slightly on this point. It is not that pre and peri-natal hormone exposures necessarily determine behavioral preferences for all time or that they can't be modified. Rather, it produces some basal psychological profile that in turn tends to motivate a particular pattern of behavior. Motivation not capacity plays the central role in producing superficial patterns of gendered behavior. You can therefore change those patterns and indeed change them in a way that would not be perceived as coercive by the subject but, only if you can change their motivations.

This is not really saying all that much, and is in fact totally uncontroversial since it is merely explaining that heterosexual troons should exist. The key issue is that altering motivation within a therapeutic context is difficult and probably impossible on any consistent basis if that context doesn't encompass very nearly the subject's entire existence. Hence, why clinicians like Ken Zucker take an approach that focuses on reconciliation and conscious raising as opposed to behavioral modification per se, unless the child exhibits behaviors that would be problematic even in a gender-conforming child.

Moreover, it seems that when this does happen incidentally (as in the case of most troons) it does so for reasons that seem positively dysfunctional, i.e. through sexually-derived obsessions producing some change in affective disposition towards assuming opposite sex roles.

Not to mention the fact that Money forced David and Brian to touch each other sexually in order to "establish gender identity" while feverishly masturbating. Troons and anti-troons rarely bring up Reimer's molestation. Either they're unaware or believe it weakens their argument. I mention it whenever no one else does because fuck John Money. I'd kill all pedophiles in Minecraft if I had the chance.

 

[Al13nBl4st3r]

So has anyone else here been bombarded with how International Women's Day is an important day for "closeted transwomen"? AKA Men living as men?

 

[KateHikes14]

So has anyone else here been bombarded with how International Women's Day is an important day for "closeted transwomen"? AKA Men living as men?

Yeah, but I'm not a bigot so it doesn't bug me.

 

[jorgoth]

Chris(tine)-Chan is the ur-example of the incel to transgender pipeline.

 

[JokahBaybee]

Chris(tine)-Chan is the ur-example of the incel to transgender pipeline.

Kek remember that vintologi creepshow that promoted the whole r/transmaxxing shit a couple months ago?

 

[KateHikes14]

Kek remember that vintologi creepshow that promoted the whole r/transmaxxing shit a couple months ago?

At him or rather I'll do it @vintologi, good chance he will show.

 

[jorgoth]

Based rape fantasy troon.

 

[turdburger]

Gender and gender stereotypes are a steaming heap of crap. Like anyone has gender "euphoria" or actually enjoys puberty.
Surgery, drugs, to look like the opposite sex = body modification, same as piercings and tattoos. If adults want to do that, their business. It shouldn't be available to minors or people who have mental health issues.
Toilets if it's general public toilets where there's a tacit assumption it's for law-abiding members of the public, who cares so long as it's being used for its intended purpose and people don't piss on the floor or shit in the urinals. Prisons and hospitals and anywhere else people might be either vulnerable or not law-abiding should be sex segregated.
Lots of trans people seem perfectly nice individuals with interesting and / or sad and poignant stories. In the past they used to do a lot of soul searching before deciding to go through with it and all they wanted was to get on with their lives inconspicuously. Now it's a fad political statement. What pisses me off is how some trans people today seem to think they're entitled to their weird sex with literally anyone with a sexual attraction to the sex they claim. Someone being bisexual doesn't mean they automatically want to have types of sex that involve crude surgical facsimiles of genitalia like taking an inflated sausage constructed from the inside of someone's forearm up the butt or having to penetrate a reeky hair-and-smegma-filled fistula cunt.

 

[Kripolkripa]

How can a tranny unironically claim they "feel like the other sex"? How the fuck would a tranny know what the fuck the opposite sex feels like? You're not a woman, you don't have an X chromosome, the only idea that you have of feeling like the opposite sex is socially transmitted ideas regarding that sex. In other words, you just want to feel like how women are depicted in media. Which is fucking retarded. Why in the holy fuck should anyone accommodate that? It's like demanding to become rich and famous because that's what you feel like you should be.

 

[小魔子]

It's like demanding to become rich and famous because that's what you feel like you should be.

My spending habits imply I feel like a rich person therefore I'm transrich. Here's my griftfundme link, help me achieve my dream bank account surgery.

Minor powerlevel: I used to think I'm oh-so-special and definitely trans because that'd explain so much of my problems. Turned out I'm just plain retarded a mental case that went undiagnosed due to my natural habitat (at the time of my youth) barely having any shrinks that weren't specializing in treating alcoholism and giving out stamps for driver's license tests. The only credit I can give to my past self is for being fairly rational and not even dreaming of transitioning thanks to non-existent chances of passing (think hulking beast of a man with early balding // gnome-tier height woman with child-bearing hips and huge honkers). Still, I had this idea for a while, maybe a few months or so - and it was years ago, when the modern troon cult only began its crusade. Social media is one hell of a drug.
Then I got bored with tumblr, switched to some other shit and continued to live on as a plain old cis homo.

Still, I feel like this is the reason so many people troon out in packs these days - that Becky from Alabama you used to discuss teehee cutie animu boiz is now Aiden from Downtown Libcity and reblogs the list of issues you may have if you are trans and WOAH you fit a lot of this despite those lists consisting of things most of the Earth's populace experiences in their lives at least once, especially during their teenage years. Maybe trooning out will solve your problems too! Yes, Be-Aidan is kinda boring now and only posts "help muh transition" grift links and rrreees about Important Trans Issues, but who knows, it may be a fun new adventure. Almost like discussing animu boiz. Almost.
Or your guildie from FFXIV that spent unholy amounts on dressing up his catgirl (and equally ungodly amounts but of time jerking off to her) suddenly announces you should call him Queen Saturnalia The Sexiest now. All this time he's been channeling his inner goddess through his chara, and now she's ready to shed her penile cocoon and emerge to the outer world. You may laugh and think - yeah, that's it, he finally lost it, but down the line you may start eyeing your very own catgirl in her uwu frilly outfit that you autistically pieced together from different sets.

Either way, troonery feels more and more like a huge MLM scam to me. MLMs exist on peer pressure and, depending on the type, are prevalent among specific demographics - same for trans people; fandom culture being the main provider of Skylars and neets (mostly midly unsuccessful gamer wannabees) producing some outstanding Elsa Yoko Viktiktorias. MLMs scam you out of money and normal social connections, troonery scams you out of money, normal social connections and health.
Relatability is also a huge thing for humans and if your relatable friends start transitioning (because their friends did so, because their friends did so) you may find yourself questioning, especially if they list some particular issues as the core reason, and you can relate to having them. The sane thing is to do is the "pack, wave, leave" strategy or maybe the "try to ignore the issue" one if you're attached to your friends (or who they were before, anyway), but more susceptible individuals end up continuing the chain.

 

[Groovelord Neato]

Gender and gender stereotypes are a steaming heap of crap. Like anyone has gender "euphoria" or actually enjoys puberty.
Surgery, drugs, to look like the opposite sex = body modification, same as piercings and tattoos. If adults want to do that, their business. It shouldn't be available to minors or people who have mental health issues.
Toilets if it's general public toilets where there's a tacit assumption it's for law-abiding members of the public, who cares so long as it's being used for its intended purpose and people don't piss on the floor or shit in the urinals. Prisons and hospitals and anywhere else people might be either vulnerable or not law-abiding should be sex segregated.
Lots of trans people seem perfectly nice individuals with interesting and / or sad and poignant stories. In the past they used to do a lot of soul searching before deciding to go through with it and all they wanted was to get on with their lives inconspicuously. Now it's a fad political statement. What pisses me off is how some trans people today seem to think they're entitled to their weird sex with literally anyone with a sexual attraction to the sex they claim. Someone being bisexual doesn't mean they automatically want to have types of sex that involve crude surgical facsimiles of genitalia like taking an inflated sausage constructed from the inside of someone's forearm up the butt or having to penetrate a reeky hair-and-smegma-filled fistula cunt.

Gender """euphoria""" is code for sexual thrill, at least for AGPs. No one normal has it, and the absence of euphoria is not dysphoria.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

Trannies are insane and gross.

 

[Freya]

idk if this has been posted anywhere yet, but here is some transexual batshittery from the web 1.0 days

Lynn Conway's homepage

ai.eecs.umich.edu

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ai.eecs.umich.edu

The pages are a clusterfuck and hard to navigate. It should be noted Conway, the author, is like 85 today and sexist as hell.
There's some serious buffalo bill tier shit in here if you can mentally withstand navigating thru it all.

A WARNING FOR THOSE CONSIDERING MtF SEX REASSIGNMENT SURGERY (SRS)

Some examples of "wrong reasons" and wrong situations for undergoing SRS are (i) efforts to become a center of attention and live a "sexy life", (ii) thinking it will "automatically turn oneself into a woman" in others' eyes, (iii) deciding to become a woman on a whim (for example, in the midst of a mid-life crisis), (iv) doing it for autosexual "thrills", (v) doing it while suffering from preexisting serious mental conditions unrelated to GID (depression, bi-polar conditions,...), etc.

Regrets and adjustment difficulties seem to occur especially frequently in the cases of older intense crossdressers and sexual fetishists whose drive to transition is based primarily on male sexual feelings and habits. These individuals will gradually lose their male libidinous responses to their new female body as time passes after the removal of their testicles during SRS. This loss of libidinous rewards, combined with accumulating practical, social and emotional difficulties in postoperative life, can lead to serious long-term adjustment difficulties for those who've "made a mistake". (This effect is quite different from the experiencing of a heightened female libido and improvements in lovemaking capability that occur in many other postoperative TS cases

"It's not something for somebody in their 40s to do, someone who's had a life as a man, - - - If you're 18 or 20 and never had the kind of (advantages) I had, and you're oriented in that direction, sure, go ahead and make right what nature didn't. But if you're a 45-year-old man and you're an airline pilot and you have an ex-wife and three adolescent kids, you better get on Thorazine or Zoloft or Prozac or get locked up or do whatever it takes to keep you from being allowed to do something like this.''

- Renée Richards, Associated Press, February 1999.

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The joys and wonders of being able to resolve the transsexual condition and to then live a full life as a warm, loving woman in the resulting female body are suggested by the following beautiful photographs of Jenny Hiloudaki (Greece). Jenny started on female sex hormones at the age of 13 and underwent vaginoplasty (SRS) at the age of 20

Transsexual Women's Successes

Photos and links to the stories of many successful transsexual women from all around the world.

ai.eecs.umich.edu

@Nykysnottrans this should be right up your alley(pun intended huehuehue)

 

[Bamanda]

I was helping to shit up the Ashston/Aimee Challenor thread with my feminism sperging. This seems like an appropriate place to take it, so I have a question. How much blame do you think radical feminism has for the rampant troon world we find ourselves in?

I said in that thread, I don’t think RF’s are solely to blame but I do think they have to accept a portion of it and reassess exactly what it is they want men to do. I’m gonna power level: I’m not a feminist but I am a terf. I am transphobic. I do not think there is such a thing as a “transgender”. Only mental illness, or ugly men who want to force women and men to indulge their depraved sexuality. I’m frightened of them in a way I can’t even begin to describe.

The whole patriarchy thing doesn’t sit well with me. I’m not saying the upper echelons of our civilisation aren’t run by men for their own preservation, but it only benefits those men at the top of society. I think normal men suffer under it as much as women do from the middle classes downwards (who is it sent to foreign places to fight and die in wars destined to make the men at the top accumulate more wealth? hint: it’s rarely women). Feminists have dedicated a whole lot of time trying to deconstruct masculinity and I think that’s part of what’s lead to the troonery taking over. They led the western world into a place where all masculinity is bad and wrong and any man who feels masculine must be a bad person. Troons, being the entitled incels that they are, found a way out of having to debase themselves like soyboys do and at the same time have the adulation and praise they never got when growing up heaped on them. Plus they get to force the women who would never chose to be with them to indulge their porn made fantasies.

I think we need men to be masculine. There’s a reason humans evolved the way we did. The family unit does need a protector, someone who can keep the smaller and weaker members safe. It equally needs a nurturer who can give emotional support, take care of the domestic needs of the family, and given that women control reproduction it makes sense that we have that role.

I think where we as a society have went wrong is insisting that traditional incarnations of the family unit are the only valid ones, and any other incarnation of that unit is wrong and should be shunned and or punished. I’m talking about things like two gay husbands adopting children, and one taking on the role of provider/protector and one the nurturer, or a butch/femme lesbian marriage where the butch is extremely masculine and enjoys the role of protector while the femme enjoys the role of nurturer. The same goes for families where the mother has a good career and continues with that while the father is more suited to doing the nurturing and child rearing. Treating anyone who deviates from the majority as heinous beings has caused untold damage to so many people it had to stop. Unfortunately, troons have piggy backed on our collective guilt over how we did treat homosexuality to force us into this hellscape.

Society needed first and second wave feminism. Things were (and still are in many places) horrible for women before it. I know men didn’t have it easy either, but no one can deny forcing women to be commodities did massive harm to our lives. Did we need third wave? I do think we need to address a culture that sees women as lesser humans than men. That goes for everything from men pulling women off the street to rape and kill us, or men expecting women to have sex with them if we want a job, right up to the religious men thinking women are unclean temptresses, or women’s bodies being used to advertise products. It has to stop being seen as “boys will be boys”. Third wave has been derailed from addressing those things and has instead allowed itself to become corrupted by the troons radical feminism in part helped to create. I’d be interested in other thoughts. There’re very few places online where we can talk about things like this anymore. I apologise for the length lol.

 

[Banditotron]

I was helping to shit up the Ashston/Aimee Challenor thread with my feminism sperging. This seems like an appropriate place to take it, so I have a question. How much blame do you think radical feminism has for the rampant troon world we find ourselves in?

I said in that thread, I don’t think RF’s are solely to blame but I do think they have to accept a portion of it and reassess exactly what it is they want men to do. I’m gonna power level: I’m not a feminist but I am a terf. I am transphobic. I do not think there is such a thing as a “transgender”. Only mental illness, or ugly men who want to force women and men to indulge their depraved sexuality. I’m frightened of them in a way I can’t even begin to describe.

The whole patriarchy thing doesn’t sit well with me. I’m not saying the upper echelons of our civilisation aren’t run by men for their own preservation, but it only benefits those men at the top of society. I think normal men suffer under it as much as women do from the middle classes downwards (who is it sent to foreign places to fight and die in wars destined to make the men at the top accumulate more wealth? hint: it’s rarely women). Feminists have dedicated a whole lot of time trying to deconstruct masculinity and I think that’s part of what’s lead to the troonery taking over. They led the western world into a place where all masculinity is bad and wrong and any man who feels masculine must be a bad person. Troons, being the entitled incels that they are, found a way out of having to debase themselves like soyboys do and at the same time have the adulation and praise they never got when growing up heaped on them. Plus they get to force the women who would never chose to be with them to indulge their porn made fantasies.

I think we need men to be masculine. There’s a reason humans evolved the way we did. The family unit does need a protector, someone who can keep the smaller and weaker members safe. It equally needs a nurturer who can give emotional support, take care of the domestic needs of the family, and given that women control reproduction it makes sense that we have that role.

I think where we as a society have went wrong is insisting that traditional incarnations of the family unit are the only valid ones, and any other incarnation of that unit is wrong and should be shunned and or punished. I’m talking about things like two gay husbands adopting children, and one taking on the role of provider/protector and one the nurturer, or a butch/femme lesbian marriage where the butch is extremely masculine and enjoys the role of protector while the femme enjoys the role of nurturer. The same goes for families where the mother has a good career and continues with that while the father is more suited to doing the nurturing and child rearing. Treating anyone who deviates from the majority as heinous beings has caused untold damage to so many people it had to stop. Unfortunately, troons have piggy backed on our collective guilt over how we did treat homosexuality to force us into this hellscape.

Society needed first and second wave feminism. Things were (and still are in many places) horrible for women before it. I know men didn’t have it easy either, but no one can deny forcing women to be commodities did massive harm to our lives. Did we need third wave? I do think we need to address a culture that sees women as lesser humans than men. That goes for everything from men pulling women off the street to rape and kill us, or men expecting women to have sex with them if we want a job, right up to the religious men thinking women are unclean temptresses, or women’s bodies being used to advertise products. It has to stop being seen as “boys will be boys”. Third wave has been derailed from addressing those things and has instead allowed itself to become corrupted by the troons radical feminism in part helped to create. I’d be interested in other thoughts. There’re very few places online where we can talk about things like this anymore. I apologise for the length lol.

Third wave is to blame for creating a framework trannies could take advantage of, and third wave continues to enable them. Biological essentialism is essential to feminism because the only real differences between men and women are defined by biology, and third wave hates that.

Edit: I think maybe the label "feminism" is just kind of kill. When it comes to human rights and quality of life, im equally concerned about men and women. I'd say "humanitarianism" is a better term, but that label is another can of autistic worms. Maybe if we want to follow the golden rule we shouldn't get caught up in labels for what we call it.

 

[Mrs. Addams]

I was helping to shit up the Ashston/Aimee Challenor thread with my feminism sperging. This seems like an appropriate place to take it, so I have a question. How much blame do you think radical feminism has for the rampant troon world we find ourselves in?

I said in that thread, I don’t think RF’s are solely to blame but I do think they have to accept a portion of it and reassess exactly what it is they want men to do. I’m gonna power level: I’m not a feminist but I am a terf. I am transphobic. I do not think there is such a thing as a “transgender”. Only mental illness, or ugly men who want to force women and men to indulge their depraved sexuality. I’m frightened of them in a way I can’t even begin to describe.

The whole patriarchy thing doesn’t sit well with me. I’m not saying the upper echelons of our civilisation aren’t run by men for their own preservation, but it only benefits those men at the top of society. I think normal men suffer under it as much as women do from the middle classes downwards (who is it sent to foreign places to fight and die in wars destined to make the men at the top accumulate more wealth? hint: it’s rarely women). Feminists have dedicated a whole lot of time trying to deconstruct masculinity and I think that’s part of what’s lead to the troonery taking over. They led the western world into a place where all masculinity is bad and wrong and any man who feels masculine must be a bad person. Troons, being the entitled incels that they are, found a way out of having to debase themselves like soyboys do and at the same time have the adulation and praise they never got when growing up heaped on them. Plus they get to force the women who would never chose to be with them to indulge their porn made fantasies.

I think we need men to be masculine. There’s a reason humans evolved the way we did. The family unit does need a protector, someone who can keep the smaller and weaker members safe. It equally needs a nurturer who can give emotional support, take care of the domestic needs of the family, and given that women control reproduction it makes sense that we have that role.

I think where we as a society have went wrong is insisting that traditional incarnations of the family unit are the only valid ones, and any other incarnation of that unit is wrong and should be shunned and or punished. I’m talking about things like two gay husbands adopting children, and one taking on the role of provider/protector and one the nurturer, or a butch/femme lesbian marriage where the butch is extremely masculine and enjoys the role of protector while the femme enjoys the role of nurturer. The same goes for families where the mother has a good career and continues with that while the father is more suited to doing the nurturing and child rearing. Treating anyone who deviates from the majority as heinous beings has caused untold damage to so many people it had to stop. Unfortunately, troons have piggy backed on our collective guilt over how we did treat homosexuality to force us into this hellscape.

Society needed first and second wave feminism. Things were (and still are in many places) horrible for women before it. I know men didn’t have it easy either, but no one can deny forcing women to be commodities did massive harm to our lives. Did we need third wave? I do think we need to address a culture that sees women as lesser humans than men. That goes for everything from men pulling women off the street to rape and kill us, or men expecting women to have sex with them if we want a job, right up to the religious men thinking women are unclean temptresses, or women’s bodies being used to advertise products. It has to stop being seen as “boys will be boys”. Third wave has been derailed from addressing those things and has instead allowed itself to become corrupted by the troons radical feminism in part helped to create. I’d be interested in other thoughts. There’re very few places online where we can talk about things like this anymore. I apologise for the length lol.

My disagreement with your argument is that all the serious trans people I know didn't fit with their bio gender.... so forcing them into traditional gender roles would make things worse. The guys (transwomen) were all bullied, often by their dads, for being kind, artistic, or good at computers instead of sports; while all the girls (transmen) I know all come from extremely conservative religious backgrounds (Fundie Christian or Muslim) where they were expected to follow very strict, repressive gender roles. Add too much Tumblr, and a dash of autism, other mental issues, and voilà.

I also think there's a sexual component, especially to the MTFs, but I haven't seen it in my social circles so far. I think some guys transition because of that and some transition becaue they're ashamed of being failed men - or subconsciously want to become the unattainable feminine girlfriend. FTMs are almost all punching up.

 

[El_Cacahuate]

Within the LGBT, why are transsexuals the only ones obsessed with children?, with the whole issue of trans childhoods and their insistence on allowing minors to use puberty blockers, or even letting them guide them in their transition. I don't remember LGB being so nosy when it comes to minors, only transsexuals
(but maybe I'm just exaggerating)

 

[garakfan69]

Within the LGBT, why are transsexuals the only ones obsessed with children?, with the whole issue of trans childhoods and their insistence on allowing minors to use puberty blockers, or even letting them guide them in their transition. I don't remember LGB being so nosy when it comes to minors, only transsexuals
(but maybe I'm just exaggerating)

Trannies are on borrowed time. As they get older the more masculine their features become. So they regret not transitioning earlier and project that on other kids and try to live their anime trap fantasy vicariously through them.

 

[Baloney Face]

OK folks. Typical or outlier or troll or ???

Click thumbnail to enlarge screenshot.