General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Groon]

I don’t think it’s so much the anime, as the fandoms around the anime? Presumably people are watching anime in a variety of dubbed languages/subtitles through SE Asia and beyond, but the countries with escalating troonery are either English speaking or those with a near universal high standard of English as a second language (eg Scandinavia, Germany, The Netherlands).

That's all germanic countries.

Kids and young adults from all western or western influenced countries facing related issues. Videogame, porn, anime, loneliness, neet, internet addiction, etc.

But, for some reason, troon's curse gets worse in historical germanic inhabited/colonized lands. Specially anglo countries. Something went really wrong in Odin blessed nations.

 

[tomb raider]

Tin-foil hat: I believe that the trans movement is providing sexual criminals, many of whom are loud contributors the the "trans voice", with a very comfortable framework in which they can:
(a) obfuscate their criminal history;
(b) have access to women's spaces; and,
(c) continue to prey on women, potentially within these spaces, with the added protection of their trans status.

that is the major opportunistic side effect, and it is the worst outcome of TRA other than giving children lupron.
as some feminists on twitter have brought up, integrating single sex spaces decriminalizes voyeurism and flashing.
horrifyingly, voyeurism and flashing are common psychological preparation by rapists before they commit rape.

but in mtfs my belief is that its true origin is in an almost christian idea of repentance of 'male privilege', and 'rebirth'.
"life didn't work out, i'm sad, and people don't like me, so i'm going to try to be someone likable and start over again".
obvious, but of course, a toxic mix of isolation, autism, and porn/unrealistic expectations of women accelerate it.
they don't ever think about being a granny tranny or long term consequences. the dragon they're chasing is 'female'.
there's a book that says AGPs get off to 'becoming' a woman. the becoming is never over, so the fetish is never over.
as many people have pointed out, in weaker minds the 'worst thing to be' is a well-to-do 'cis' straight white abled man.

in ftms, it's the idea that being biologically female is innately a 'feminine'/'gendered' state of being. and they don't like it.
there's an ideological bait and switch between external gender roles and the 'innate gender' idea, and women bought it.
a RF said something like this: "women have a female body and any personality, not any body and a female personality."
this phrase illuminates the problems with trans ideology, in the second half. trans women have redefined 'femaleness'.
being a butch would solve 99% of ftm people's problems, but they think lesbian means attraction to trans women too.
being ftm and only dating transmasculine people, they are able to interact with masculine females. it's a workaround.

in nonbinary, depending on sex, it's a lite version of each. in any case it is a spiritual belief, a 'spiritual transformation'.
if anyone has any burning questions about troonology, i might be able to answer it, spent a lot of time around them.

 

[Baloney Face]

In general

Something went really wrong in Odin blessed nations.

Odin is dead. The Frost Giants have won.

 

[Legoshi]

I've heard people like Vanessa Vokey say Blaire White is an autogynephile gay male, but I always thought it was reserved to the straight "transbian" ones. This confuses me and as someone who's peaked high above trans ideology, I should know this by now. Can HSTS homosexual MTF's be autogynephiles and can homosexual FTM's be autoandrophiles?

 

[GenitalFetishist]

I've heard people like Vanessa Vokey say Blaire White is an autogynephile gay male, but I always thought it was reserved to the straight "transbian" ones. This confuses me and as someone who's peaked high above trans ideology, I should know this by now. Can HSTS homosexual MTF's be autogynephiles and can homosexual FTM's be autoandrophiles?

I think homosexual MTFs/FTMs can absolutely be auto(x)philes. Blanchard puts the heteros and homos in distinct categories, but I don't agree it's that simple. There is a flavor of troonism which centers around the fucker vs fuckee conception of sex, and it doesn't really matter if they are gay or straight in their fantasies. Autogynephiles want to be fucked specifically as women are fucked; Autoandrophiles want to fuck specifically as men fuck.

 

[White Trash Motorsport]

Autoandrophiles want to fuck specifically as men fuck.

This is absolutely true, as ten minutes spent lurking around yaoi communities will show you. They’re packed with F2M troons, demibois and enbys. Trouble is when you‘re 5’2, fat, have a patchy bum fluff beard, a scarred up chest and a vagina, no gay man has the slightest interest in fucking you.

 

[Groon]

I think all this tranny madness is just the next step on the trainwrecked timeline of a notably troubled subset of the already troubled millennial generation. Look this:

5yo - oversheltered kid
10yo - PROZAC kid
15yo - bullied EMO
20yo - atheist fedora tipping edgelord
25yo - woke soyboy
30yo - Incel
35yo - Troon
40yo - ??

What will happen next chapter?

 

[Maurice Caine]

I think all this tranny madness is just the next step on the trainwrecked timeline of a notably troubled subset of the already troubled millennial generation. Look this:

5yo - oversheltered kid
10yo - PROZAC kid
15yo - bullied EMO
20yo - atheist fedora tipping edgelord
25yo - woke soyboy
30yo - Incel
35yo - Troon
40yo - ??

What will happen next chapter?

 

[Dildo]

That's all germanic countries.

Kids and young adults from all western or western influenced countries facing related issues. Videogame, porn, anime, loneliness, neet, internet addiction, etc.

But, for some reason, troon's curse gets worse in historical germanic inhabited/colonized lands. Specially anglo countries. Something went really wrong in Odin blessed nations.

I know what it is, but I find it hard to describe in English.

Some traditionalists historically blame it on "Protestantism" or what has become intersectionalism; that multiple beliefs or denominations can sit beside one another and multiple truths can co exist at the same time. This isn't the case in Romance countries; even secular France historically was militantly non-Christian and would happily expunge anyone who didn't toe the line.

Intersectionalism has not caught on in Eastern or Southern Europe. There is one truth, not necessarily religious (i.e: Poland is a Catholic country, France is secular and adheres to the values of the enlightenment etc) and everyone else is wrong. They're not a bit right, they're totally wrong. In the western non Anglo states this is accepted as far as it doesn't inconvenience the mainstream truth, in the east it's actively expunged. A small, but distinct difference.

As a result Trannies do exist in non-germanic countries and they are tolerated, but they're nowhere near as loud (or protected) as in Anglo countries. Whereas the English fall over themselves trying to include everyone, the average southern European response is to just seethe, cope and dilate because what an individual may want isn't compatible with the mainstream perception.

Just look at a Scandanavian, German or English protest Vs a Spanish or French one. The former will politely line up and the majority won't bother, the latter will cause chaos on the streets and/or blockade places like Guernsey till they get what they want.

The Northerners, and as a result the north Americas, may have to accept that the neovag is good pussy. The rest of the world? Nah.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

But, for some reason, troon's curse gets worse in historical germanic inhabited/colonized lands. Specially anglo countries. Something went really wrong

Because while the west had lots of great thinkers and scientists there are also lots of quacks and "thinkers" who believe their bullshit makes sense.

Just take a look at how the transgender bullshit started. Who is behind it? It's doctors, scientists, later post modern bullshitters and only recently it's autogynephilic beasts who groom insecure kids on the internet but quacks & unethical genital butchers are more involved than ever plus big pharma because of $$$.

Not all is well in anglo countries even when they are more advanced.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Intersectionalism has not caught on in Eastern or Southern Europe. There is one truth, not necessarily religious (i.e: Poland is a Catholic country, France is secular and adheres to the values of the enlightenment etc) and everyone else is wrong.

the average southern European response is to just seethe, cope and dilate because what an individual may want isn't compatible with the mainstream perception.

Just look at a Scandanavian, German or English protest Vs a Spanish or French one. The former will politely line up and the majority won't bother, the latter will cause chaos on the streets and/or blockade places like Guernsey till they get what they want.

The Northerners, and as a result the north Americas, may have to accept that the neovag is good pussy. The rest of the world? Nah.

Latin America, and by proxy Spain and Portugal, actually have a ton of troons and similar problems.

I think what you basically are referencing is that the balkans/east europe don't have troons, which is 100% fair, but also

The Balkans

 

[mario if smoke weed]

I think all this tranny madness is just the next step on the trainwrecked timeline of a notably troubled subset of the already troubled millennial generation. Look this:

5yo - oversheltered kid
10yo - PROZAC kid
15yo - bullied EMO
20yo - atheist fedora tipping edgelord
25yo - woke soyboy
30yo - Incel
35yo - Troon
40yo - ??

What will happen next chapter?

Half of them neck rope or gun head.

 

[Baloney Face]

The Northerners, and as a result the north Americas, may have to accept that the neovag is good pussy ...

... and that sucking "girl dick" is mandatory if you're into girls?

 

[Bosmadden]

Because while the west had lots of great thinkers and scientists there are also lots of quacks and "thinkers" who believe their bullshit makes sense.

Just take a look at how the transgender bullshit started. Who is behind it? It's doctors, scientists, later post modern bullshitters and only recently it's autogynephilic beasts who groom insecure kids on the internet but quacks & unethical genital butchers are more involved than ever plus big pharma because of $$$.

Not all is well in anglo countries even when they more advanced.

I agree. Transgenderism is not an organic cancer from a degenerate culture. Not to say that western culture is not degenerate, but the troon cult has absolutely been organized and handed down by the elites.

 

[MasonSaysMason]

I remember I had an idea once to find potential troons online and convince them not to troon out
I actually did find a few but quickly realized I was too socially inept for it
I think I'm better at coming across as innocent and helpful now but it fucks with my mind too much to be able to do it consistently now.
Maybe one day I'll be strong enough.

 

[Groon]

Latin America, and by proxy Spain and Portugal, actually have a ton of troons and similar problems.

Latin America is filled up by TRAVECOS, but they are mostly old fashioned style. Troonery, as a ideology, is pretty weak over here and third world in general. Local left wingers, of course, working hard to push that crappy into our throats.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Latin America is filled up by TRAVECOS, but they are mostly old fashioned style. Troonery, as a ideology, is pretty weak over here and third world in general. Local left wingers, of course, working hard to push that crappy into our throats.

Brazil.

 

[jorgoth]

I was looking at an /r/tumblrinaction post where some geeks were commiserating about how shittily comic book geeks used to be treated, and it made me think of the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ takeover of geek fandom, at least for a few short years from 2015-2019, what I call comic book fandom's faggot Saturnalia. I think subconsciously, geeks as a whole define themselves almost primarily as "losers", the kids that nobody else wants to sit with, and a group that defines itself in such a way will in the long run

1. Attract the biggest losers imaginable
2. End up being dominated by said biggest losers

at least for a time. And that would be LGBT, especially the T.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Transgenderism is a mental illness. Seriously. Not LGB, but the T. Very specifically the T.

Every single troon you see is in a state of perpetual crisis. They are never not in one. Even after they transition, they are so self conscious someone mis-gendering them will send them into epileptic fits. Meanwhile if you say someone who is gay is straight, it just gets laughed off or they correct you. Everything needs to be for them. They need to have their pronouns represented, the correct bathrooms. Their skin is so paper thin they cannot take jokes or anything.

They're delusional to the point of hysteria. Look at Jim Sterling's video where he thinks people actually want to kill him for trying to be an ugly fat woman in a bad wig. If he wasn't trooning out, you'd sit him down and put him in a nice white room and stuff his fat ass with anti-psychotics.

Troons require near constant validation, otherwise they lose their minds. That's why everything is trans with them, because they are so insecure in their choices, they need everyone to be trans or have it be more common.

If someone was in this constant state of distress, couldn't take what life threw at them, we'd sit them down, have some therapy and see what meds to make you better. Instead, we indulge a delusional state. There's absolutely NO scientific evidence that SRS is a treatment for GID. We don't indulge paranoid schizophrenics or gang stalkers or even people with anxiety and depression. Why should we indulge this state of mind when it is CLEARLY causing so much distress that these people are having trouble with basic interactions? Why do we adjust the body to be in line with the mind, instead of adjusting the mind to not be in a state of constant crisis and delusion?

Like I was looking at the Sandman casting and everyone had their pronouns listed. Why? Because one special troon NEEDED their pronouns listed, supposedly playing an androgyenous character, who was very very very very clearly male. The thing is there are men and women who can pull off androgyny, but the problem is they're fucking beautiful. Its another thing, because if you put a beautiful person who is androgynous, troons would scream because of their own insecurities.

Things have to be hidden from them or erased because they literally cannot handle it. Their interactions always default to victimization and a constant state of victimhood, even though at this point they're more protected than the LGB combined. Not to mention they feel like people want to make it illegal to be trans or sentence them to death. Why? Because states don't want to give kids hormones and puberty blockers. Ask this question to any rational person:

"Do you think children should be given medical grade hormones, which are largely untested in that population, before puberty?"

The majority of people would answer NO. But holy shit, to trannies this is like you want to start killing them. Its fundamental lunacy. In the past, it was treated like a mental illness, with strict therapeutic guidelines and SRS as a last resort if nothing else worked. And as a result, people got the help they needed. Seriously. Some people still regretted it and others never went the full chop, just half way. But generally trans people were far more well adjusted in the past. This is because GID was the very last condition remaining after differential diagnosis. So people who were trans back, fucking, 10 years ago actually had GID. Also, today, God fucking forbid if you detransition and talk about it. People will find you and try to RUIN YOU. Because it exposes every single one of their insecurities and mistakes and shines a big fucking light on them which they cannot take.

So there's a very clear divergence going on. Trans people have GID, Troons do not. So well adjusted trans people are now the exception rather than the rule, because you can go into any doctor's office and say you feel like X and they'll just write you a script and shit. And then you have troons trying to convince someone who is depressed, having socialization issues that they're trans too! So you get a whole bunch of people doing that because they THINK that's whats wrong with them, and are miserable and lash out at the world. Then you have attention whoring leftist parents who want to be victims, but just can't figure out how until they get their kids in on it.

And then, you have big medicine. Which is the biggest driver of this. Troons are customers for life. Massive amounts of drugs, surgery, post-op care, continuing care....its a fucking gold mine. You have these giant pushes to get these people into the meat grinder to sell them on hormones, on surgeries and on shit like that. Why do you think professional organizations push this shit? They don't want to stop that gold mine.

Honestly, this isn't going to stop until there's bodies and just people who become completely and utterly isolated because most people don't want to put up with strangers whose skin is so thin they can't handle words. The feeling that their problems are more special don't really fly when everyone is suffering and you get some rich insane person demanding they be called a woman even though they have stubble, are balding and are wearing a sundress.

 

[Simple Plague Symphony]

Honestly? The more I go the more I become radicalized and would be considered a TERF by many people IRL, even if I am neither a radfem or a transexclusionary. I have trans and NB friends IRL but really...I honestly think:
-That trans people do exist, but they are way more rare than we are being led to believe.
-You need to have dysphoria to be trans. I don't buy AT ALL the idea that you can be trans without dysphoria, it just doesn't make any sense
-NB people are just gay/bi people that hate themselves and think changing their gender is a personality trait. NB as an identity isn't real.
-NB peeps and tucute tumblr snowflakes reinforce gender roles in a more ruthless way than any trad.
-GNC isn't real, it's called having a personality. Being a butch woman that works in construction makes you still a woman, we're not in the 18th century anymore.
-Many trans activist, especially NB male "trans activists", just want an easy platform to dominate female spaces and real trans spaces. They are just narcissist males.
-Curiously, same activists are very often sexual predators.

IRL I am low key scared of state what is my truth but I feel that I will get to a point where I will say those hot takes out loud because I will not be able to take it anymore. I am increasingly irritated to see misogyny paraded as openness