Generation Z - Is there something different about this generation?

InsolentGaylord

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As I said before, I was born in late 1999. I've noticed that there's a very gradual shift from center-left to centrist/apolitical over 1997-01, but as soon as it hits 2002 the shift is greatly accelerated.

If someone tries bringing up politics in a general group of people my age, they'd usually get told to shut up and that nobody cares. Talking about politics in general seems way more socially acceptable for those born 2002 onwards.
You...said that they shifted from center-left to centrist/apolitical over time, but when you say that when you bring up politics with your age group they don't want to talk about it, that kinda sounds a bit contradictory, are you saying they are right leaning those born in 2002?
 

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You...said that they shifted from center-left to centrist/apolitical over time, but when you say that when you bring up politics with your age group they don't want to talk about it, that kinda sounds a bit contradictory, are you saying they are right leaning those born in 2002?
I'm not sure I get what you're saying.
 

InsolentGaylord

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I'm not sure I get what you're saying.
You said you noticed a gradual shit from left to the center, so by that logic, they will gradually turn right wing, correct?

And you said that your group doesn't like people talking about politics, but then you say: " Talking about politics in general seems way more socially acceptable for those born 2002 onwards", were you meant to say something else or what?
 

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Parents of millennials thought if you just told your kids about the way you thought the world ought to work, instead of the way it actually works
This is EXACTLY how I was raised, and it fucked me up for years. Maybe not to the degree that others had it, but still, it seems like a common trope amongst our generation.

Just work really hard and do well in school and go to college and everything will work out!

This attitude smacks of people who put WAY too much faith in "the system" to "do the right thing."

millennials were raised with the (fake) idea of the American dream that Boomers enjoyed and hit the reality wall way to hard. Gen Z have seen that crash since day one and is planing for a better future earlier. so maybe there is hope.
All that shit came at a time right before a good number of us were able to establish ourselves financially, along with the college debt, outsourcing of decent jobs, encouraged to go to college and obtain massive debt, only to find out we can't pay it back because of a lack of jobs (entry level fast food doesn't count), discouraged from dating/sex/relationships/marriage/etc., the list goes on. It sounds a lot like what Fight Club was talking about, but arguably worse.

I wish only the best for Gen Z. But I'm concerned that they'll get the after effects of the boomers fucking us over even worse than we did.

Regardless of where we draw the line between millennials and Gen Z, anyone born in the early to mid '90s should consider themselves fortunate that they just barely avoided having a childhood in a social media dominated world.
Honestly, I'll take being called a faggot at school by the popular rich kids on a daily basis over having my life destroyed over an unwoke post on social media. Every. Single. Time.

Then again I grew up in an era where defending yourself against a bully was punished the same as if one did the bullying in the first place, so fuck that too. Thanks, Eric and Dylan!

I think I'm biased towards flash games, even bad ones, because they're at least games in the usual sense of the word rather than vehicles for ads and microtransactions.
Newgrounds was pretty good back in the day, even if it wasn't my favorite site. Now all the Web 1.0 giants are either gone or SJW clowns.

Just a zoomer stopping by to say my piece. I'm early gen zoomer 97-01, and I know lots of zoomers. Now granted, I've always grown up in conservative areas, but I feel most of my peers are more right leaning, or at the very least anti-SJW. I will agree older zoomers like myself are the least right-leaning, but my little brother and his friend group are all pretty right-leaning.

I'll also say a lot of us are doomers. A lot of my friends don't feel like there is any hope for the world and have kind of given up, including one of my best friends. It's sad, and it's one of the main reason I personally became so right-leaning after I was exposed to gamergate. I'm afraid of what's going to happen if there isn't a pendulum swing.
My brother is also in that area and he's definitely got the doomer thing down pat. I sympathize with you Gen Z kids quite a bit, honestly many millennials feel they have no hope if they're not completely delusional far left commie types.

Thats the biggest mistake people make, assuming the pendulun will swing right. No, Trump is as further right the pendulum will swing and zionist orange man might even win again but the boomers that elected him will keep dying, gen xers keep retiring and the generation after zoomers will start voting. The pendulung will swing alright but more radically towards the left than ever before, mark my words. Right now the left is too divided between traditional liberals and new wave commies and woke zoomerdom, after the next generational shift such divide won't exist no more, it will all be one giant gibsmedat along with a large change in demographics making those disenfranchized "redpilled" males even more of a niche and a minority.
Traditional liberals, mock them all you want, but they are being disappeared and replaced with woke commies faster than I can type this message. I don't like Trump but honestly the growing alternative is far far worse. And probably inevitable.
 

FuckedUp

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You said you noticed a gradual shit from left to the center, so by that logic, they will gradually turn right wing, correct?

And you said that your group doesn't like people talking about politics, but then you say: " Talking about politics in general seems way more socially acceptable for those born 2002 onwards", were you meant to say something else or what?
I mean as the birth year increases, the average person's political view shifts rightward. So, on average, someone born in 1998 is just a touch more right-wing than one born in 1997, and so on. In 2002 onward, it changes much faster, so the difference between the average person born in 2002 and 2004 is bigger than 1999 and 2001.

Right around 1999-2001 (my age group) especially is where things are neutral enough so there's no real political bias and it's just as easy to find far-right 20-year-olds as it is to find far-left ones, and everything in between. Apolitical is the default stance for people around my age, but it seems to be center-right for at least 2002-04.
 

InsolentGaylord

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I mean as the birth year increases, the average person's political view shifts rightward. So, on average, someone born in 1998 is just a touch more right-wing than one born in 1997, and so on. In 2002 onward, it changes much faster, so the difference between the average person born in 2002 and 2004 is bigger than 1999 and 2001.

Right around 1999-2001 (my age group) especially is where things are neutral enough so there's no real political bias and it's just as easy to find far-right 20-year-olds as it is to find far-left ones, and everything in between. Apolitical is the default stance for people around my age, but it seems to be center-right for at least 2002-04.
Ah gotcha, thanks for clarifying!
 

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If anything, it feels like us "early zoomers" are going to end up the new Generation Jones.
And Late Millennials like myself are probably going to be the new "Lost Generation" as we get older. Most of us are in our mid-late twenties and are still stranded and stuck, and those who've thrown their lot in with the Woke Left will have very likely ruined their own lives should the big pendulum swing back or they find themselves on the wrong side of a federal crackdown.

I think a lot of the bleakness for the Late Millennials (and most of the left-leaning Early Zoomers born between 1997-1999) in a post-Woke Left world will be anything from a mild inconvenience to completely ruined lives depending on how much they were true believers vs. how much they went along with the SJW's to avoid getting "cancelled"

Hell, I'm pretty confident that the Millennials as a whole (and the older Early Zoomers) will be a very despised generation and will be very much a generational punching bag like the Boomers are right now. I'd personally see that as karmic justice for many of them. And that's in a best-case scenario.

Worst-case scenario, we'll be viewed in the same light as the cohort of the Greatest Generation who came from Germany, Italy, and Japan depending whether or not the pendulum swings back and if so, how harsh the hypothetical backlash will be.
 

FuckedUp

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Also, referencing the "last decent year" thread, I just realized the core zoomers born in 2002-2006 span the exact same ages in 2020's "left-wing bad, right-wing and Christianity based" climate as the early zoomers did in 2015's "SJWs and fundies bad" one.

Edit: math error
 
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What I think has happened with the zoomers is that they were so saturated with propaganda from an early age that they just don't care anymore. There is a supposed "spiritual crisis" in China going on right now, this crisis is a crisis of the newest generation not caring about the Chinese state, of course they still believe that "chyna number won" but they don't really care about communism all that much. Everyone in China considers themselves a socialist, but they know something is wrong with their state. This same phenomena happened in the Soviet Union, and presumably every other state with mass propaganda.

This is the same thing that happened to the zoomers, every zoomer falls in line with secularism, gay rights, and internationalism but they know something is wrong with our system. Unlike in China or the soviet union these zoomers can express themselves, and this expression is seen in the opposition of SJWs and radical socialist extremists. However these zoomers don't oppose the standard liberal, which will bite them in the butt later because the standard liberal still looks to push society leftwards but at a slower pace.
 

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How will Generation Z and some from the Sid Alpha Generation feel when President Trump and Mike Pompeo finally ban TikTok from all platforms?
At this point, I think most just follow certain people if not given up on it entirely. Zoomers already lost Vine and ended up just moving on. Even speaking to my brother, who still uses it, he pretty much avoids the main bulk and follows one-or-two people. Anyone can move to YouTube at any time, its loss will likely be no big deal to most especially if the India FaceBook replacement comes shortly after.

Websites are a dime-a-dozen. TikTok is already going downhill to most. I had seen tons of Zoomer posts reflecting on the glory days before the middle-aged FaceBook demographic filled it with politics, fetishes, and other garbage. I think it was bound to die regardless.

If anything, Millenials and Gen X will miss it most as they are posting their entire lives on the thing and it is one of the few websites they know besides FaceBook. Other than them, probably girls. Boys seem to kinda hate the site now.

Thats the biggest mistake people make, assuming the pendulun will swing right. No, Trump is as further right the pendulum will swing and zionist orange man might even win again but the boomers that elected him will keep dying, gen xers keep retiring and the generation after zoomers will start voting. The pendulung will swing alright but more radically towards the left than ever before, mark my words. Right now the left is too divided between traditional liberals and new wave commies and woke zoomerdom, after the next generational shift such divide won't exist no more, it will all be one giant gibsmedat along with a large change in demographics making those disenfranchized "redpilled" males even more of a niche and a minority.
I am going to say no to this.
The left shot themselves in the foot big time and the effects will last awhile until a likely inevitable party Switch in roughly 20-30 years. Joe is not getting any young people whatsoever, even the super woke are throwing tantrums over him on TikTok. Gen Z is being raised on YouTube as the primary entertainment, and guess what, it is pretty much full Republican. All the liberals of 2013 got smoked out upon Trump’s presidency, either they switched sides like Laci Green, or they are becoming irrelevant jokes like the Young Turks. The saving grace of the Left was breadtube, but apparently their voices being into incest really spooked people away. I can say that I have seen more of my Gen take from Shapiro than a leftist, which is not that hard to believe when he got on PewDiePie.

Even looking on TikTok, there are a good amount of young conservatives. I constantly see TikTok users post things against the left. It ranges from women jokes to racist jokes, to straight up debate.

I think going further, how do you think the simp war, that Gen Z is the biggest voice in, will go down? A bunch of people against putting women on pedestals and calling for more modest dress. I would be surprised if this does not place the Gen farther right. Just seeing how the woke left cannot handle the simp culture backlash, really sets apart the gens.

While Gen Z is very left in some groups, it seems a grand bulk of the culture will be brought up and apart of republican movements. The Gen is similar to X, it is essentially a reactionary Gen to the radicals of the previous. The difference will be if we can keep our morals straight should the parties change.
 

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I have a shitty theory as to why people born to 2002 (or more specifically the class of 2020) were already markedly more right-wing and political than those even a year or two older:

I was class of '18, two years older than the class of 2020, and thus spent the entirety of middle school in Previous Year as GamerGate didn't kick off until we started preparing for freshman year of high school. Likewise, we spent the entirety of early high school in the transient "SJWs and fundies bad" transition phase. At the time of the fateful 2016 election which truly changed the overton window, we were high school juniors with reasonably ossified worldviews.

By contrast, the class of 2020 were a bunch of literal 12-year-olds starting seventh grade when the Autism Holy War happened, and spent the majority of middle school in the "SJWs and fundies bad" era. Granted, high school freshmen are immature as fuck, but 12-year-olds are on a whole other level and not only more likely to care about stupid shit like GamerGate, but their worldviews are even less solidified and therefore the message that "SJWs also bad" would've had a bigger impact.

Similar difference exists between high school freshmen and juniors, which on its own would've made the election fallout have a bigger impact on the class of 2020, but it was compounded by the fact that they were already more biased toward the right thanks to the bigger influence GamerGate and such had on them. They spent the entirety of high school in full-on "leftists bad, right-wing and Christianity based" Current Year.

So yeah, that two-year age gap made a huge difference in worldviews.
 

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What I think has happened with the zoomers is that they were so saturated with propaganda from an early age that they just don't care anymore. There is a supposed "spiritual crisis" in China going on right now, this crisis is a crisis of the newest generation not caring about the Chinese state, of course they still believe that "chyna number won" but they don't really care about communism all that much. Everyone in China considers themselves a socialist, but they know something is wrong with their state. This same phenomena happened in the Soviet Union, and presumably every other state with mass propaganda.

This is the same thing that happened to the zoomers, every zoomer falls in line with secularism, gay rights, and internationalism but they know something is wrong with our system. Unlike in China or the soviet union these zoomers can express themselves, and this expression is seen in the opposition of SJWs and radical socialist extremists. However these zoomers don't oppose the standard liberal, which will bite them in the butt later because the standard liberal still looks to push society leftwards but at a slower pace.
I agree with everything but the bolded. In my experience with gen Z it’s just people who were raised in an environment of nonstop media hysteria and are burnt out. They feel that the world is fundamentally broken and the overall trend of moderate liberalism of the millennial generation is not sufficient. The result is political polarization, and instead of a general trend like millennials, you get a collection of extremists who believe in drastic change. This isn’t exclusively right or left wing, but I’ve seen more of both extremes than I have with any other generation.

Another thing: Based on recent GLAAD surveys, young people are the ones becoming less accepting of Alphabet people. Probably because of troons.
 

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But where do we 96'rs fall into? we seem to be the inbetween that no one seems to know about.
Susan's ban list for our proclivity for saying the N!88R word on Xbox Live in the mid 2000's to the early 2010's. In all seriousness though, I would have to think we are at the beginning of Z, either the literal beginning of Z, or the total end of Y. Since most of my buddies think Liberalism correlates with literal autism, I will have to say Z... I am in leafland though so probably Y...
 
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There was all this talk of generation Zyklon in 2016 but it seems a lot of them are pretty left now (I'm a Zillenial). Could it be that they're actually cringing at being further right when younger and are shifting leftward as they get older? Political trends do invert sometimes and nothing ever is set in stone.
 
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There was all this talk of generation Zyklon in 2016 but it seems a lot of them are pretty left now (I'm a Zillenial). Could it be that they're actually cringing at being further right when younger and are shifting leftward as they get older? Political trends do invert sometimes and nothing ever is set in stone.
I think the Early Zoomers/Zillennials are trending leftward since they more or less had a similar upbringing as the Late Millennials but are somehow even more woke and blackpilled.

I've noticed that Late Millennial and Early Zoomer SJW's are hardcore doomers since those born in the 90's as a whole tend to be doomers to one degree or another. But I've noticed the leftist ones are even more blackpilled than the right-wingers, but it manifests differently than it does for right-wing and centrist 90's kids who are doomers.

The 2016 prediction of Gen Z trending rightward was more vague speculation at that point, and even the Huffington Post (a lefty clickbait mill) even lent some credence to the notion but I think a lot of the predictions from people like Gavin McInnes or Huffington Post were a bit premature about which Zoomers would go rightward.
 
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I think the Early Zoomers/Zillennials are trending leftward since they more or less had a similar upbringing as the Late Millennials but are somehow even more woke and blackpilled.
People develop their political beliefs probably in their early teens, and it's often who pisses them off first that has a lot to do with that. If their first experience with politics was saying they didn't like some game, or did like some game, or didn't like some movie, or did like some movie, and then some screeching mob of lunatics mobbed them calling them a racist bigot whatever for no reason at all, they're probably not going to like that kind of person in the future.

SJWism creates enemies wherever it goes and when it runs out it starts expelling its own members.

Its aggressive cultist behavior combined with its incessant purity spiraling really puts a limit on its lifespan and will generate long-term dislike of the tactics it uses.
 

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I agree with everything but the bolded. In my experience with gen Z it’s just people who were raised in an environment of nonstop media hysteria and are burnt out. They feel that the world is fundamentally broken and the overall trend of moderate liberalism of the millennial generation is not sufficient. The result is political polarization, and instead of a general trend like millennials, you get a collection of extremists who believe in drastic change. This isn’t exclusively right or left wing, but I’ve seen more of both extremes than I have with any other generation.

Another thing: Based on recent GLAAD surveys, young people are the ones becoming less accepting of Alphabet people. Probably because of troons.
One thing to keep in mind is "falls in line" doesn't necessarily mean your actual opinions; All it means is that you are currently acquiescing to the status quo.