George Ouzounian v. Dax Herrera et al (2017) -

[KingofNothing]

I don't think anyone said it outright, but did he seem drunk, as if he actually showed up at the hearing drunk?

@ScamL Likely said that his was speech was slurred and look disheveled, so maybe? Hey @Gilson @Sexy Times Hitler @ScamL Likely , did LanDUI seem drunk to any of you?

 

[Trigger Me Timbers]

From my post-trial meetup with Asterios and his gf, he's $34K in the hole with legal fees, and he's trying to be "squeaky clean" to future employers by not being on TDS.

So dumb, if an employer cares about that than a Google search will show everything. Using his logic it’s like googling someone’s name to see they were a member of an some neo-Nazi party but when questioned about it they turn around and say “oh no I haven’t been associated with them for over eight months!” Oh then never mind welcome aboard!

 

[L. Duse]

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Maddox probably makes less than that too on his patreon, all of that money going towards rent, food, bike repairs, bald cream, and lawyer fees

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That is unless all 26 of his patreons are 'benefactors'

What would I give for Dick to purchase that 1000 a month tier?

 

[James Edwin]

So dumb, if an employer cares about that than a Google search will show everything. Using his logic it’s like googling someone’s name to see they were a member of an some neo-Nazi party but when questioned about it they turn around and say “oh no I haven’t been associated with them for over eight months!” Oh then never mind welcome aboard!

Go figure that he wasn't smart enough to understand that using your rl name on the internet for internet things is not a good idea

Its not like it needs to be said, it doesn't protect you forever

Him trying to play SEO coverup by being all nice on twitter is retardo. The damage was done.

What would I give for Dick to purchase that 1000 a month tier?

You wouldn't, Dick would, because Maddox would just ignore him.

 

[Gilson]

did LanDUI seem drunk to any of you?

Less drunk, more desperate and sad. Lots of ums and uhs, and when he tried to make a point he didnt seem to understand what talking order was, so he would hear the judge say that something was wrong about what he said and cut him off with "bu-but sir" until the judge explicitly told him to stop. He also had a habit of getting halfway up from his seat whenever his claims were attacked, but then sitting back down or hovering over the seat.

 

[AnOminous]

Less drunk, more desperate and sad. Lots of ums and uhs, and when he tried to make a point he didnt seem to understand what talking order was, so he would hear the judge say that something was wrong about what he said and cut him off with "bu-but sir" until the judge explicitly told him to stop. He also had a habit of getting halfway up from his seat whenever his claims were attacked, but then sitting back down or hovering over the seat.

Oh well, at least he sweated for a bit, although if he'd known the judge was a dickless cuck, he would have been more sassy.

 

[Sped Xing]

This is horrible news. Asterios' sent a sad email out to his patreOs about how at least he didn't get drunk afterwards. I wouldn't have blamed him.

 

[waffle]

If they hypothetically wanted to appeal this, does anybody know what the standard of review is? I imagine its abuse of discretion, which is s pretty difficult thing to show.

I can't believe the judge cucked out on this, it has all the hallmarks of shit lawyers actually get in trouble over

 

[Save the Loli]

Less drunk, more desperate and sad. Lots of ums and uhs, and when he tried to make a point he didnt seem to understand what talking order was, so he would hear the judge say that something was wrong about what he said and cut him off with "bu-but sir" until the judge explicitly told him to stop. He also had a habit of getting halfway up from his seat whenever his claims were attacked, but then sitting back down or hovering over the seat.

Judge Borrok might have just saved this man's life, although I'm sure Landau drank his ass off afterwards in celebration of not getting financially assraped.

 

[ScamL Likely]

@ScamL Likely said that his was speech was slurred and look disheveled, so maybe? did LanDUI seem drunk to any of you?

I wouldn't say he was shitfaced or anything close to that but he was awkward enough to seem like he might've had a shot or two before showing up. Could've just been nervous about the possibility of sanctions though.

 

[Gangster Talk]

Is it true he's like 5'6?

 

[Gordon Cole]

I don't think anyone said it outright, but did he seem drunk, as if he actually showed up at the hearing drunk?

@ScamL Likely said that his was speech was slurred and look disheveled, so maybe? Hey @Gilson @Sexy Times Hitler @ScamL Likely , did LanDUI seem drunk to any of you?

I'm pretty sure he got drunk after. But seriously, for better or worse he looked sober enough while still being enough of a bumbling dumbass. He clearly wanted to GTFO and move on with his life because when the case was dismissed, he bolted out the door.

Is it true he's like 5'6?

I can't put a specific size on it, but he did seem manlet-esque from my p.o.v.

 

[Slimy Time]

I'm pretty sure he got drunk after. But seriously, for better or worse he looked sober enough while still being enough of a bumbling dumbass. He clearly wanted to GTFO and move on with his life because when the case was dismissed, he bolted out the door.

I can't put a specific size on it, but he did seem manlet-esque from my p.o.v.

Considering that this was the case which exposed his fraudulent, ethics breaking ass and has resulted in a website exposing him as the worst lawyer possible at the top of the google searches for "Kevin Landau", it's no wonder he wants to get away as fast as possible.

 

[Tookie]

Not surprised at all. Things like this slide all the time in civil cases. Folks have this image of judges as infallible arbiters following the law to a T and eager to wax on for dozens of pages in opinions on any issue like they're on the SCOTUS. In reality, many of them are lazy shits and are often unwilling to stick their necks out on something that is likely to be put under a microscope on an appeal (which anything involving attorney sanctions is almost certain to).

 

[AnOminous]

If they hypothetically wanted to appeal this, does anybody know what the standard of review is? I imagine its abuse of discretion, which is s pretty difficult thing to show.

It's abuse of discretion. Trial courts have broad leeway in making the decision. Frankly, though, if the description of the feckless disregard the judge showed for the actual legality of anything involved is accurate, I think it is an abuse of discretion to deny sanctions effectively just because he's bored.

The unlikelihood of success is why it's unlikely to be appealed. You'd be throwing something like ten grand at it at a minimum, maybe somewhat less if you got some academic wonk with an interest in the subject to help out as an amicus or otherwise, and maybe have a 25% chance of success (wild ass guess). You could spend much, much more for some white shoe firm. That may actually be optimistic because the decision was frankly so obviously dumb and the judge didn't appear to apply any legal standard at all.

Honestly, if sanctions aren't applicable in this case, I'd like to know when they'd be applicable at all in New York State. They ought to just get rid of the rule and say the new rule is pure Clown World litigation and you can do anything, even commit crimes, in the course of litigation and absolutely nothing will happen.

And if you "won," the result might simply be a remand back to the same dipshit who fucked it up in the first place, with a remand order to do it over and actually apply a legal standard this time, whereupon this feckless dick would be forced to write an opinion explaining his "reasoning."

Considering that this was the case which exposed his fraudulent, ethics breaking ass and has resulted in a website exposing him as the worst lawyer possible at the top of the google searches for "Kevin Landau", it's no wonder he wants to get away as fast as possible.

I like the description of him whimpering to be allowed to leave and dismissed with open disgust by the judge.

I imagine him tearing out of the courtroom like a raped ape to the nearest bar to continue his daily binge.

 

[DragoonSierra]

It's abuse of discretion. Trial courts have broad leeway in making the decision. Frankly, though, if the description of the feckless disregard the judge showed for the actual legality of anything involved is accurate, I think it is an abuse of discretion to deny sanctions effectively just because he's bored.

The unlikelihood of success is why it's unlikely to be appealed. You'd be throwing something like ten grand at it at a minimum, maybe somewhat less if you got some academic wonk with an interest in the subject to help out as an amicus or otherwise, and maybe have a 25% chance of success (wild ass guess). You could spend much, much more for some white shoe firm. That may actually be optimistic because the decision was frankly so obviously dumb and the judge didn't appear to apply any legal standard at all.

Honestly, if sanctions aren't applicable in this case, I'd like to know when they'd be applicable at all in New York State. They ought to just get rid of the rule and say the new rule is pure Clown World litigation and you can do anything, even commit crimes, in the course of litigation and absolutely nothing will happen.

And if you "won," the result might simply be a remand back to the same dipshit who fucked it up in the first place, with a remand order to do it over and actually apply a legal standard this time, whereupon this feckless dick would be forced to write an opinion explaining his "reasoning."



I like the description of him whimpering to be allowed to leave and dismissed with open disgust by the judge.

I imagine him tearing out of the courtroom like a raped ape to the nearest bar to continue his daily binge.

Someone said he had his daddy in court with him? How pathetic.

Surely it wouldnt cost anything for Greenburger to refer Maddox to the DA right?

 

[Shroom King]

Someone said he had his daddy in court with him? How pathetic.

Surely it wouldnt cost anything for Greenburger to refer Maddox to the DA right?

I think Asterios should have Greenberger do this. I know it is the sunk-cost fallacy but if the judge says "yeah, go ahead with the perjury thing," I would do it. Maddox would have to travel to NY from CA (again), which will put a strain on his finances.

 

[Russtard]

Someone said he had his daddy in court with him? How pathetic.

Landau’s dad wasn’t in court, at least not when I was there. I believe this is referring to the letter his dad sent Greenberger in an attempt to get Greenberger to drop the sanctions a while back. Obviously, it didn’t work.

I think Asterios should have Greenberger do this. I know it is the sunk-cost fallacy but if the judge says "yeah, go ahead with the perjury thing," I would do it. Maddox would have to travel to NY from CA (again), which will put a strain on his finances.

From what I understood at the hearing, there’s no cost involved to refer this to the DA. The problem is getting the DA to give a shit. Greenberger can bring his attention to it for free, but no amount of money can force New York State to go chase after a bald cuck in California.

 

[Slap47]

He would be right to drop it. He isn't rich and without money on the table he has no reason to continue.

Tbh a thread dedicated to Landui and his cases would be excellent.

he has a history of being a scum, that slimes probably got some great content on him

It should be a hidden thread where we do gay ops to hookup Landau with cows that need a lawyer.

 

[DragoonSierra]

From what I understood at the hearing, there’s no cost involved to refer this to the DA. The problem is getting the DA to give a shit. Greenberger can bring his attention to it for free, but no amount of money can force New York State to go chase after a bald cuck in California.

Again getting a statement from Heather S or even getting her on board would really help