Good Books about Hitler - (and the third reich/nazis or at least ww2 in general)

Oskar Dirlewanger

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I actually don't have any problems at all with the word 'nationalism.' I think that it gets, the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. So when you think about, whenever we say 'nationalism,' the first thing people thing about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay fine.

Nationalism is one of the main reasons* Hitler lost the war. If Hitler actually was a racist he could have had a chance at winning World War II. But he didn't give a single fuck about "white race" and was far too pre-ocuppied with "germans". Against all reason he was a radical anglophile because he thought anglos are closely related to germans. This is so incredibly stupid it escapes all description. Hitler basically voluntarily lost the war against Great Britain. And don't even get me started about the time the nigga voluntarily lost the entire war against Russia too because he was too autistic to allow the organization of proper Russian Liberation Army. What a joke.

* The main reason Hitler lost the war of course is his vegetarianism
 

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If we're talking purely fiction, I think Look Who's Back by Timur Vermes is a great book on Hitler. Its a satirical novel, but the humor is rooted in Hitler's reactions to the modern day world. It's very informative on the type of man Hitler was, and what might happen if he came back.
 

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The Reich may not have lasted 1000 years, but his name, and probably image will.
Here's some more food for thought. I'm willing to bet that in the long run the horrors committed by Hitler and his army of Nazis have actually inspired more good than bad. Think about all he people who in this very day and age are doing everything within their power to make sure something like The Holocaust can never happen again. Even if not all of their efforts are exactly what I would call 'good' I genuinely believe they are well intentioned.
 

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I'd recommend the book Hitler's Last Days by Bill O'Reilly. It was pretty interesting to read about Hitler's personal life, political views and some major aspects during Nazi Germany's regime during WWII.
 

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Here's some more food for thought. I'm willing to bet that in the long run the horrors committed by Hitler and his army of Nazis have actually inspired more good than bad. Think about all he people who in this very day and age are doing everything within their power to make sure something like The Holocaust can never happen again. Even if not all of their efforts are exactly what I would call 'good' I genuinely believe they are well intentioned.

Well if we talk about long term shit obviously the most important achievement of Hitler is clearing the central europe of jews. Nowadays people don't even realize how jew infested central europe was, it was beta israel 0.9. Hitler hated the Polaks etc. but accidentally he benefitted them a lot. Before WW2 Poland was only 70% polish with almost 10% of jewish population. After WW2 Poland was virtually 100% polish with almost no jews to speak of (even in the communist party the jews were an extreme minority so much that the communist party of Poland purged itself of the jews in the 60s and the communist party of Poland was on the verge of being outnumbered by national socialists wanting to promote a purely traditionalist agenda).

I agree with the thesis of Irving that within the wide spectre of history Hitler should be called Hitler the Great. In the long term nobody cares about casualties, Hitler is a little baby compared to Genghis Khan anyway and eventually people will evaluate him by his high score not some moralfag shit.
 

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Nationalism is one of the main reasons* Hitler lost the war. If Hitler actually was a racist he could have had a chance at winning World War II. But he didn't give a single fuck about "white race" and was far too pre-ocuppied with "germans". Against all reason he was a radical anglophile because he thought anglos are closely related to germans. This is so incredibly stupid it escapes all description. Hitler basically voluntarily lost the war against Great Britain. And don't even get me started about the time the nigga voluntarily lost the entire war against Russia too because he was too autistic to allow the organization of proper Russian Liberation Army. What a joke.

* The main reason Hitler lost the war of course is his vegetarianism
Correct me if this is wrong, but I remember my history teacher saying that the Slavs would've supported Hitler against Stalin and hailed him as a liberator if Hitler didn't consider the Slavs "subhuman" and treated them as such.
 

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Also Stalin and Mao killed their own people primarily, where Hitler took his massacres on tour.
I've never really groked the statement "killed their own people" First off Stalin was Georgian, so were the Estonians or Evenki reindeer hearders "his people"? It isn't as if Stalin or Mao were what you might call "elected" either so it will be difficult to argue that the people sent to starve in the gulag bore some sort of responsibility for their leadership.

The Nazis didn't 'just' kill their own people through incompetence like the communists mostly did. They had organised campaigns to eradicate people in occupied nations on a scale never seen (both the reporting on it and how it was carried out) before due to the advent of industrialisation.
The dumbass chinese might have killed most of the 18-56 million people who died in The Great Leap Forward by incompetence but I assure you that planned, organized and industrialized killing got at least a third of them. To say nothing of the other ChiCom killoffs or the Soviets who ran entire industries on slave labor being fed starvation rations. The size of those rations was very scientifically calculated to enable the prisoner to remain productive for about 2 years before succumbing.

On topic for this thread: Read Portage to San Cristobal if you can find it. Jewish author gives well informed insight into the character of A.H. (as he is identified in the book) and the psychology of those who obsess over him.
 

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which is morally reprehensible but I digress.
Imagine moralfagging here of all places.
Hitler would have a thread if he were a modern man.
Literally tried to "court" his neice, failed art school (lol) and blamed it on der Juden, has a poor understanding of eugenics and a gay little moustache. The Allies were always going to be the good guys on this one.
What is a 'good understanding' of eugenics according to you?
 

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@Oskar Dirlewanger I guess I'd be interesting to ask you. What is your overall opinion of Dirlewanger? The official version says that he was a particularly nasty war criminal, but it's always interesting to hear what folks like yourself have to say about such people.
 

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Correct me if this is wrong, but I remember my history teacher saying that the Slavs would've supported Hitler against Stalin and hailed him as a liberator if Hitler didn't consider the Slavs "subhuman" and treated them as such.

Yeah that's true. He distinguished his opinions about Slavs, for example he had a degree of respect for white Russians whom he often compared to ukrainians that he considered animals like monkeys. Yes, ukrainians served in the Waffen SS, but so did for example Indians, and for Hitler this wasn't different than the allies using negroes in their armies. He also considered central Slavs better than eastern Slavs. You can look at Slovaks as an example of a slavic nation that allied itself with Hitler and remained relatively unscathed. Whether the same fate was possible for Poland is different to say, since that ship has sailed in 1935 with the death of Poland's leader Pilsudski, whom Hitler respected very much and who was the only man who could have pulled off a German-Polish pact had he lived longer.

As I mentioned earlier Hitler was an anglophile and it wasn't some minor trait, it was actually one of the most important influences on his foreign policy. Hitler's obsession and main inspiration was british colonization of India. His big plan was to recreate it in the east word for word. This contributed to Germany losing the war directly, because Hitler consequently sabotaged all plans of creating a Russian Liberation Army as a real force that would have had a massive impact on the war and would almost certainly lead to defeating Soviet Union. Nowadays a lot of russian neo-nazis will try to pretend ROA was a real military force but it never really was because Hitler didn't allow that. Eventually he had all his associates including Himmler practically begging him to pretty please allow the use of anti-communist Russians against the Soviet Union, but Hitler didn't even want to hear a word of it, because he autistically held to his vision of cute tiny german hamlets being built in Russia after the war, full of german settlers, cute german kids, and traditional german pawgs frolicking in fields of wheat.

@Oskar Dirlewanger I guess I'd be interesting to ask you. What is your overall opinion of Dirlewanger? The official version says that he was a particularly nasty war criminal, but it's always interesting to hear what folks like yourself have to say about such people.

Dirlewanger is being referred to as a modern landsknecht in the literature and it's a good description. He was a professional soldier. He joined the military prior to World War 1 and he found out he really fucking LOVE war and is also very good at doing it. World War 1 was an absolute gruesome feast of terror and when it ended his only thought was that he needs some more of it. Fortunately there was a civil war going on in Germany, which allowed him to do some cool shit like commanding his own armoured train that he used to liberate cities from communists. Following years were the most boring of his life so the moment he had a chance to go to Spain to fight in the civil war he went there asap. And then came World War 2.

The nigga spent all his life at war, he was really good at it which even his numerous enemies admitted, he was a very tough motherfucker who was extremely hard to kill as during his military career he was wounded and got shot numerous times, and he survived it all, including headshots, and always came back asking for more.

The only reason for his notoriety is living in the modern era with modern sensibilities, he would have fit right in between landsknechts and condotierres of the renaissance and nobody would blink an eye.
 

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Dirlewanger is being referred to as a modern landsknecht in the literature and it's a good description. He was a professional soldier. He joined the military prior to World War 1 and he found out he really fucking LOVE war and is also very good at doing it. World War 1 was an absolute gruesome feast of terror and when it ended his only thought was that he needs some more of it. Fortunately there was a civil war going on in Germany, which allowed him to do some cool shit like commanding his own armoured train that he used to liberate cities from communists. Following years were the most boring of his life so the moment he had a chance to go to Spain to fight in the civil war he went there asap. And then came World War 2.

The best description I heard of people like him was in a podcast talking about the Northern Crusades - basically the Teutonic Knights and the like ransacking the Baltic States. They pointed out that you can view the German war in the east in WWII as being very reminiscent of this. Essentially the ideology changed but you had the same sort of psychopaths involved because they loved the mayhem.

In Direlewanger's case, he was in prison for raping a 14 year old before the war. Once the war started they got him out of prison and sent him off the terrorize people in Eastern Europe into submission.
 

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The best description I heard of people like him was in a podcast talking about the Northern Crusades - basically the Teutonic Knights and the like ransacking the Baltic States. They pointed out that you can view the German war in the east in WWII as being very reminiscent of this. Essentially the ideology changed but you had the same sort of psychopaths involved because they loved the mayhem.

In Direlewanger's case, he was in prison for raping a 14 year old before the war. Once the war started they got him out of prison and sent him off the terrorize people in Eastern Europe into submission.

He had consensual sex couple times with a girl who lied to him about her age. That doesn't really sound very exciting in sensationalist takes about an evil nazi necrophile pedo rapist though. Also it was around the time of Night of the Long Knives so any excuse to send a troublesome SA officer to a camp was good.
 

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Is there any book that goes into more detail on the speeches involved in The Beer Hall Putsch? I've always been curious on how he changed the crowds attitude, the passion in his voice and range of emotion must have been amazing to witness. Thinking about it is there any book that goes into detail on how he prepared for public speaking in general? I feel as if that skill is somewhat slept on.
 

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Is there any book that goes into more detail on the speeches involved in The Beer Hall Putsch? I've always been curious on how he changed the crowds attitude, the passion in his voice and range of emotion must have been amazing to witness. Thinking about it is there any book that goes into detail on how he prepared for public speaking in general? I feel as if that skill is somewhat slept on.

Kubizek mentions Hitler had the speech superpower since his teenage years. The first time was apparently after seeing Wagner's Rienzi, the music got him so elevated that he had like a mystic experience and went on a lengthy and inspired speech, and afterwise even he acted surprised and he felt like if something was talking through him rather than if it was him speaking. Apparently he lost this power of inspired speech toward the end of his life. This is where the idealistic vision of Irving etc. starts to differ from the bitter reality. Irving says that after the Stauffenberg's assassination attempt the experience of being close to death and miraculously surviving reinvigorated Hitler and made him look and talk like he was 10 years younger. In fact he was on shit ton of pain killers, including cocaine, oxycodone and meth. He stopped using cocaine and methamphetamine very quickly as particularly cocaine he considered decadent and something that drug addicts use, but he was likely getting oxycodone injections before every major speech he had to give in the late part of his life. Hitler felt his natural gift for speech faded and needed to get high to get inspired. Of course some people choose to believe Hitler's favourite and regular injections were just pure glucose and not oxycodone, but personally I think it's bullshit. As Mike Tyson said, "the history of war is the history of drugs".

In the topic of Hitler speaking, this is a very interesting watch as it shows Hitler's real voice as he talked in daily life. People are usually very surprised to learn he had a calm, warm voice and wasn't a shouting crazy hollywood maniac 24/7:

 

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Yeah that's true. He distinguished his opinions about Slavs, for example he had a degree of respect for white Russians whom he often compared to ukrainians that he considered animals like monkeys. Yes, ukrainians served in the Waffen SS, but so did for example Indians, and for Hitler this wasn't different than the allies using negroes in their armies. He also considered central Slavs better than eastern Slavs. You can look at Slovaks as an example of a slavic nation that allied itself with Hitler and remained relatively unscathed. Whether the same fate was possible for Poland is different to say, since that ship has sailed in 1935 with the death of Poland's leader Pilsudski, whom Hitler respected very much and who was the only man who could have pulled off a German-Polish pact had he lived longer.
No, Hitler did not consider all Slavs to be untermensch. Untermensch was not even a strictly racial concept.

What even is sub-human? It's basically someone who loses respect for "god" and parents. Moralists (distinguished from ethicists) who come to despise life and nature, resort to slander, accusations, and projections to compensate for their own inherent inferiority.

From Mein Kampf: "He now even black-guards that broken-hearted being who gave him birth. He curses God and the world and finally ends up in a House of Correction for young people."
In the Table Talk, he states in two separate instances, "An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal)" and "Secondly, the respect that youth owes to maturity. If this respect is lacking, a man falls below the level of the animal."
Also, in Mein Kampf, he used this expression to refer to anti-racialists: "Loaded with the burden of human sentiment, he falls back to the level of a helpless animal."
This is all consistent with Hitler's earliest views on untermensch as revealed in Werner Maser's Letters and Notes.

Among the Slavs, Hitler mainly distrusted Poles and Czechs, perceiving them to be stubbornly nationalistic and accused them of refusing to assimilate. In the Table Talk, he ranked Latvians as the lowest while esteeming Estonians. Thus, it is perfectly untrue that he preferred central Slavs over eastern Slavs. Curiously, he mentioned the Chinese alongside the Latvians in carrying out Bolshevik atrocities (omitted from the English translation but included in Werner Jochmann's rendition).

Besides, Hans Baur recounts in his memoirs that Hitler was favorably disposed towards Ukrainians, only turning down their request to join the Reich due to the assurances he had already made to Hungary/Admiral Horthy and due to an aversion towards opening up new territorial disputes.

As I mentioned earlier Hitler was an anglophile and it wasn't some minor trait, it was actually one of the most important influences on his foreign policy. Hitler's obsession and main inspiration was british colonization of India. His big plan was to recreate it in the east word for word.
No, his expansion towards the eastern territories was not modeled upon British colonization of India. Although he regarded the British occupation of India as a stabilizing element in that region, he didn't approve of the British expecting their subjects to be grateful for the harsh treatment.

This contributed to Germany losing the war directly, because Hitler consequently sabotaged all plans of creating a Russian Liberation Army as a real force that would have had a massive impact on the war and would almost certainly lead to defeating Soviet Union. Nowadays a lot of russian neo-nazis will try to pretend ROA was a real military force but it never really was because Hitler didn't allow that.
Is this coming from an overtly pro-Slavic standpoint? You remind me of Albert Speer, whose pessimistic leanings permeate his writings (even in the German original). He depicted Hitler as regarding Slavs as superior in the long run. Slavs were just as bestial as the Nazis, if not worse, it's sufficient to read through the crimes of several Slavic collaborators.

Most Soviet defectors only sided with Hitler for reasons of opportunism or self-preservation, this can be seen in how several prominent generals (i.e. Andrey Vlasov, Sergei Bunyachenko) switched sides during the Prague uprising. Also, the lower-ranked Vladimir Gil and Vasyl Meleshko were prime movers in this defection.

Kubizek mentions Hitler had the speech superpower since his teenage years. The first time was apparently after seeing Wagner's Rienzi, the music got him so elevated that he had like a mystic experience and went on a lengthy and inspired speech, and afterwise even he acted surprised and he felt like if something was talking through him rather than if it was him speaking.
The significance of the Rienzi performance to Hitler is not only corroborated by Albert Speer's diaries, but also by Hitler's other architect Hermann Giesler and Otto Wagener, the latter who claimed Hitler had testified that at times something spoke through him. This other passionate side of Hitler has been observed by Leni Riefenstahl, Hans Grimm, and the American diplomat Sumner Welles, and without the need for a cheering crowd (according to Christa Schroeder and former American president Herbert Hoover), and especially by the defector Otto Strasser, who distinguished between Hitler as the ordinary politician and Hitler as a medium/seer.

Apparently he lost this power of inspired speech toward the end of his life. This is where the idealistic vision of Irving etc. starts to differ from the bitter reality. Irving says that after the Stauffenberg's assassination attempt the experience of being close to death and miraculously surviving reinvigorated Hitler and made him look and talk like he was 10 years younger.
Irving wasn't making it up, Hitler himself claimed in speeches that he had been galvanized. This is reported by most members of Hitler's entourage.

You seem to subscribe to the exact same materialistic view as Otto Strasser that age is the delimiting factor of a person's vitality. This is contradicted by the life of Goethe and countless others.
 
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Hans Baur recounts in his memoirs that Hitler was favorably disposed towards Ukrainians

We'll supply the Ukranians with scarves, glass beads and everything that colonial peoples like.

I am not a partisan, either, of a university at Kiev. It's better not to teach them to read. They won't love us for tormenting them with schools. Even to give them a locomotive to drive would be a mistake.

To teach the Russians, the Ukrainians and the Kirghiz to read and write will eventually be to our own disadvantage; education will give the more intelligent among them an opportunity to study history, to acquire an historical sense and hence to develop political ideas which cannot but be harmful to our interests. A loud-speaker should be installed in each village, to provide them with odd items ofnews and, above all, to afford distraction.

It really is curious to think that these children will become Ukrainian adults, with their vulgar, inexpressive faces. (...) If these people are allovved, under German supervision — that is, under greatly improved conditions — to multiply too quickly, it will be against our interests for the racial pressures which these damned Ukrainians will exercise will constitute a real danger. Our interests demand just the reverse — namely, that these territories, hitherto Russian, should in time be populated by a larger number of German colonists than local inhabitants


And my favourite one:

Jodl is quite right when he says that notices in the Ukrainian language "Beware of the Trains" are superfluous; what on earth does it matter if one or two more locals get run over by the trains?

No, his expansion towards the eastern territories was not modeled upon British colonization of India.

To exploit the Ukraine properly — that new Indian Empire — I need only peace in the West.

It should be possible for us to control this region to the East with two hundred and fifty thousand men plus a cadre of good administrators. Let's learn from the English, who, with two hundred and fifty thousand men in ali, including fifty thousand soldiers, govern four hundred million Indians. This space in Russia must always be dominated by Germans.

In a book on India which I read recently, it was said that India educated the British and gave them their feeling of
superiority. The lesson begins in the Street itself; anyone who wastes even a moment's compassion on a beggar is literally torn to pieces by the beggar hordes; anyone who shows a trače of human sentiment is damned for ever.


All quotes from Table Talk..

You seem to subscribe to the exact same materialistic view as Otto Strasser that age is the delimiting factor of a person's vitality. This is contradicted by the life of Goethe and countless others.

No I do not. That's a common myth not supported by modern studies. Males don't rapidly lose vitality as they age, as many people prefer to believe since it's another excuse to be lazy. Human males can sustain youthful levels of vitality well into old age, given proper nutrition and level of activity. Hitler had an eating disorder and his diet was extremely bad. Anyone who sustained his type of diet for the time he did would consequently be a wreck at his age. Everyone attests to Hitler's pervasive digestion problems caused by his ridiculous diet. Gastrointestinal health is imperative for mental well being and capacities as well since crucial neurotransmitters (about 50% of dopamine and around 90% of serotonin) are produced in the gut.
 

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