Lolcow Grace Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery (Joseph Lavery & Mallory Ortberg) - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

kaien

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Seal Press is owned by a major publisher now, but I think it was a stepchild afterthought in a big series of mergers and acquisitions.
Yes. It's an imprint of Basic Books which is a division of Hachette, one of the big five publishers. I think it was acquired into Hachette with Perseus Books Group, which acquired it as part of Avalon Publishing Group, which had acquired Seal in 2001. Following the consolidation of the publishing business over the last 20 years will give you a fuckin migraine, no lie.

Their featured authors page includes recurring tranny sideshows exhibit Susan Stryker and Zinnia Jones supporting cast member Julia Serano.
 

Trianon

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I don't remember where this information came from, but I'm 90% sure Joe's editor is another troon. Because of course. Who else could stand him?

He said today that his editor is Claire Potter / @claireyrotter.

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I don't think she looks MTF, and I wasn't able to find anything that wasn't strictly professional publishing bios, so I'm inclined to say she's not trans.

But what little I found is funny. Very scant Twitter presence. No joke, this is the first tweet.

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This set off a troon alarm, though I suppose it could be a "Twitter" hatching.

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That joke made its way into the official blurb on the previous page.

I thought maybe Joe's agent is trans, but I don't think so. This is her: Carrie Plitt / @PlittyC. Just seems like a normal young woman. However, she did sign an anti-J.K. Rowling letter that is eye-rolling.

This is a message of love and solidarity for the trans and non-binary community. Culture is, and should always be, at the forefront of societal change, and as writers, editors, agents, journalists, and publishing professionals, we recognise the vital role our industry has in advancing and supporting the wellbeing and rights of trans and non-binary people. We stand with you, we hear you, we see you, we accept you, we love you. The world is better for having you in it.

Non-binary lives are valid, trans women are women, trans men are men, trans rights are human rights.

Feel free to correct any of this if you find anything more, but they seem pretty profesh. Joe dragging them into his lame Twitter jokes is the only cringey thing.
 

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I work in a profession that is not publishing, but has a similar demographic and political makeup of workers (sorry for the intentional vagueness) and in my experience a lot of the women do see through people like Joe's bullshit, even if they can't or won't make the final mental step about AGPs, or draw any wider conclusions from it. Most women cannot get that far in life and in a career without learning to subconsciously clock (sorry for the pun) male narcissists. Unfortunately they have also learned that to get anywhere in professional life you have to accommodate these narcissists and go on with things.

I am not saying publishing is full of hidden TERFS, but I do suspect there are a lot of women in the industry who cannot stand Joe's shit and who are spending a lot of energy repressing those feelings because they want to be woke, and also because they subconsciously recognize the very real power differential.

Or maybe they all love him and want to slobber on his girldick. Who knows.
 

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I work in a profession that is not publishing, but has a similar demographic and political makeup of workers (sorry for the intentional vagueness) and in my experience a lot of the women do see through people like Joe's bullshit, even if they can't or won't make the final mental step about AGPs, or draw any wider conclusions from it. Most women cannot get that far in life and in a career without learning to subconsciously clock (sorry for the pun) male narcissists. Unfortunately they have also learned that to get anywhere in professional life you have to accommodate these narcissists and go on with things.

I am not saying publishing is full of hidden TERFS, but I do suspect there are a lot of women in the industry who cannot stand Joe's shit and who are spending a lot of energy repressing those feelings because they want to be woke, and also because they subconsciously recognize the very real power differential.

Or maybe they all love him and want to slobber on his girldick. Who knows.
Frankly in my experience it's like that in a lot of "intellectual-oriented" spaces, for lack of a better word (arts, culture, academia etc.). Same as when you're in retail you can't dropkick every shitty customer out the store on their ass, in [whatever industry] you have to work around the narcissists on a power trip or your career's coming to an abrupt halt. When the troon menace train finally derails, it'll be some new shit that the personality disordered Powers That Be latch onto and everyone has to tiptoe around.
 

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Yes, actually. He says the book is about clowns.
Show me a woman who can write a book
like this and still be respected.

He feels so entitled. He demands attention, spaces, and political power and he gets it.

He has no compassion or awareness of anything a woman is actually up against.

Sure women can be terrifying, but the thing that has confirmed to me he’s nothing like a woman is how absolutely terrifying he is. This aggressive, entitled behavior is clearly from an aggressive, entitled male. No underdog acts like this. We’re all scared, Joe. We don’t think you’re a girl. We’re scared of you.

He’s fine seeing a mother of two young autistic children locked up for tweets. Fine with women losing jobs over their “transphobia.” He’s fine with punishing and humiliating his lovers, even beyond his kinks. This behavior is recognizable and they are the same things violent, cruel, powerful men do.

One thing is for sure, I’ll never fight against this kind of thing in person with Joe or anyone else. I would prefer not to have everything in my life destroyed scorched-earth style. See what happened to John Ortberg? And he was family. Let that be a lesson to you. Stay. Away.
 
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More like “Please miss this book!”

More on the clown thing:
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Seal Press? At least Jacob Tobia and Meredith Talusan landed their memoirs with Penguin.
Oh my god, I am horrified by that plot summary. Joe had said before that there are fictionalized elements in the book, but I didn't realize that meant a series of tOtALLy rAnDoM (*holds up spork*) adventures interspersed with j.o. fantasies. (:_( Awful.

Random tidbit from Instagram. How thrilled d'you think Joe was to have a breeder and her child in his apartment digging through his expensive sunglasses?
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Oh my god, I am horrified by that plot summary. Joe had said before that there are fictionalized elements in the book, but I didn't realize that meant a series of tOtALLy rAnDoM (*holds up spork*) adventures interspersed with j.o. fantasies. (:_( Awful.

Random tidbit from Instagram. How thrilled d'you think Joe was to have a breeder and her child in his apartment digging through his expensive sunglasses?
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I'm more intrigued by what the fuck kind of shitty parent brings their small child anywhere within shouting distance of an obvious fetishistic narcissist like Joe. You would think keeping creepy freaks like him away from your offspring would be standard, but apparently only TERFs care about exercising discernment in such things.
 

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Random tidbit from Instagram. How thrilled d'you think Joe was to have a breeder and her child in his apartment digging through his expensive sunglasses?
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If I had a daughter, you could not pay me to let her interact with anyone who would celebrate removing her breasts in ten years. I would only let her be with people who told her that her body is the right body for her. I would want her to spend time with people who encourage her to maximize her health and happiness—- not turning mental health issues into lifelong endocrine issues. By the way endocrine issues are real and have a bevy of complications. Don’t ever let anyone tell you differently.


What a beautiful child. Don’t even think about it, Grace. Keep your loathing of your body and your rigid (and infantile) stereotypes for women off this little girl.

I’m sorry, little Joey, no one helped you feel like you were perfect just as you were, honestly. That’s very sad.
 

MirnaMinkoff

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Answer: an approval-hungry pickme who has this as her Instagram bio:
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There is really is nothing quite as pathetic as woman who self-describes as a MILF. Her biggest worry about motherhood was its effect on her standing the sexual marketplace.

Then again this woman is letting her little girl rifle through (shudder) Joe’s closet, so no surprise she puts MILF on her IG bio. At least she has a girl, because I’m pretty sure if she had a son she’d be trooning him out. The only reason I’m confident she has a daughter is because she’d definitely have “transkid’s mom” in her bio right next to MILF if that was the case.
If I had a daughter, you could not pay me to let her interact with anyone who would celebrate removing her breasts in ten years. I would only let her be with people who told her that her body is the right body for her. I would want her to spend time with people who encourage her to maximize her health and happiness—- not turning mental health issues into lifelong endocrine issues. By the way endocrine issues are real and have a bevy of complications. Don’t ever let anyone tell you differently.


What a beautiful child. Don’t even think about it, Grace. Keep your loathing of your body and your rigid (and infantile) stereotypes for women off this little girl.

I’m sorry, little Joey, no one helped you feel like you were perfect just as you were, honestly. That’s very sad.
Well, if it’s any comfort the Mom being a self-described MILF will push her daughter to place undue importance on her breasts as an asset, rather than chop them off.

“MILF moms” certainly let their daughter’s know in very clear terms that their sexual desirability to men is of utmost importance. Ironically that is what leads many adolescent girls into thinking they are trans because they don’t want their value to be dependent on men thinking they are desirable.
 

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“Anal cheese.” Sounds like the jabberings of someone who is a tad late on their meds for the day.

This isn’t even clown behavior. I don’t understand any of this. No one’s laughing on the outside although I will say, 100% of all involved appear to be crying on the inside.

What precisely is the point? Betty Friedan would die over this “feminist” work. Just like keel over and die.
 
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I’m just. It’s not even out until February and they are pushing this hard on preorders? I would love to know the size of his advance - I bet he got like $10k. He certainly didn’t get what Mallory gets.

I wonder what it would take to get the galley, assuming they even have it. I noticed the audiobook is also on preorder, though I’m sure it hasn’t been recorded yet. You know Grace will insist on reading it, which is sure to make it aural torture.

The description reads like someone who read Invisible Monsters in college and then decided to become Brandy Alexander in real life. It's almost too much of a cliche to be real.

Also, lol that anyone who find an Eggers pun in 2022 (when this is published) worthy of tongue-wagging.

I just cannot believe this person has tenure. At Berkeley. I just…
 

MirnaMinkoff

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I’m just. It’s not even out until February and they are pushing this hard on preorders? I would love to know the size of his advance - I bet he got like $10k. He certainly didn’t get what Mallory gets.

I wonder what it would take to get the galley, assuming they even have it. I noticed the audiobook is also on preorder, though I’m sure it hasn’t been recorded yet. You know Grace will insist on reading it, which is sure to make it aural torture.

The description reads like someone who read Invisible Monsters in college and then decided to become Brandy Alexander in real life. It's almost too much of a cliche to be real.

Also, lol that anyone who find an Eggers pun in 2022 (when this is published) worthy of tongue-wagging.

I just cannot believe this person has tenure. At Berkeley. I just…
I’d be surprised if he got an advance at all. I can’t believe Mallory’s coattails could be ridden for any more cash than they already have by Joe.

They are pushing preorders because it’s become obvious there is no real market for this book. So they put it on the no name writer to try and drum up business for their own book. If Joe could squeeze even 200 preorders (he won’t) they will at least not be sweating a measly 10,000 print run so hard.

Obviously they are very much sweating the print run and have therefore have started telling Joe he needs to hard sell his not even printed book for the next nine months to see if it’s even feasible to print this turd.

I’ll be curious if Joe manages to stick with pimping and hard selling his book for the next several months. No doubt his “Twitter follower” number and “connections” were used in the pitch to convince this publisher he could sell some books, so now that’s what he’s obligated to do. He has to demonstrate at least a couple hundred people have any interest in reading his book via presale numbers.

I’ll be very curious if we see even the most minimal print run happen in Feb.

ETA: Look for Joe to go hard on stupid tranny drama BS on Twitter in a desperate bid to get any level of attention to try to parlay into book sales. I don’t think they have any more of Mallory’s relatives to accuse of pedophilia so Joe’s going to have to get inventive.
 
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Trianon

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I’m just. It’s not even out until February and they are pushing this hard on preorders? I would love to know the size of his advance - I bet he got like $10k. He certainly didn’t get what Mallory gets.
Unfortunately, it's not that low (and sensible). According to this article, it sold for six figures.

I have no doubt they have an audience of queer-friendly academics in mind that they think can be reasonably convinced to buy the thing. The size of the advance means it will get a sizable marketing budget to try to make up the expense, and you can already see that with the splashy book teaser. They'll put Joe on a blog press circuit for interviews. He might even do NPR. But even then, it's a niche book that lines up with what The Press gets titillated about and what academics will read and tweet about. That alone can be enough to make a book "successful," even if it's not necessarily a bestseller. It's about the clout. And Seal Press is so niche anyway that it makes sense to throw some money behind someone who's controversial already (even in a small online circle) than a pedestrian feminist book by a person who you'll never hear about.

The closest comparison is not going to be Mallory, even though she also wrote a "genre-defying trans memoir." It will be to trans provacateur Andrea Long Chu's Females.

Females is Andrea Long Chu’s genre-defying investigation into sex and lies, desperate artists and reckless politics, the smothering embrace of gender and the punishing force of desire.

Drawing inspiration from a forgotten play by Valerie Solanas—the woman who wrote the SCUM Manifesto and shot Andy Warhol—Chu aims her searing wit and surgical intuition at targets ranging from performance art to psychoanalysis, incels to porn. She even has a few barbs reserved for feminists like herself. Each step of the way, she defends the indefensible claim that femaleness is less a biological state and more a fatal existential condition that afflicts the entire human race— men, women, and everyone else. Or maybe she’s just projecting.

A thrilling new voice who has been credited with launching the “second wave” of trans studies, Chu shows readers how to write for your life, baring her innermost self with a morbid sense of humor and a mordant kind of hope.

The book itself is little more than a long screed, barely 100 pages, but the publicity drummed up surrounding it was insane. Every major publication from the NYT to Vogue wrote about it. Chu has academic and critical cred but frequently has to go to ground because his writing is so batshit that he pisses off both troons and conservatives. Joe does the same pose, being contrarian against most trans discourse while accusing people who believe in biological sex of being genocidal. Like Chu, he is skeptical of trans surgery. They are both AGPs (Chu admits to being sissy porn'd) who just want to be stupid bimbos and argue that's what women are.

Here they are together.

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Being an academic troon is kind of the ultimate gig - just talk about yourself endlessly, endlessly, project your hatreds onto others, call it theory, profit.

I don't think Lavery will reach the heights of Chu (who already wrote quite a bit for elite mags), but it will successfully travel in the same circles of intellectual pomos. Treating it as some kind of daring fun academic memoir will juice sales in universities. The sales won't be anything crazy. They may be respectable for what the book is, but it will be a close thing.

He will have a meltdown when he gets a bad review (which Chu got plenty of, and they were thoughtful, THEORY-heavy critiques, not just easy dismissals), which will drive more publicity.

Basically, Seal Press is buying publicity with the sizable advance, not the book itself. They'll get the online circuit to chatter about it easily. That doesn't mean it's good or even marketable. Just. Predetermined.
 

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