Lolcow Grace Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery (Joseph Lavery & Mallory Ortberg) - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[Constellationzero]

OK, I see the Yaniv resemblance now.


It certainly is not the correct audience, but Joe seems to think his book is meant to titillate bored housewives. I think he just likes fantasizing that normal women will be captivated by him, but you're right; it is clearly for intelleckshual kweers only.

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This take really made me mad. I've got a hair trigger lately about people forcing questions like this. "Why do you need that?" "What's wrong with you that you care about being cis?" Women have smaller, often weaker bodies of the two sexes. This fact has been used to invent all sorts of things about women throughout history, all the way up to scientific reasoning post-Enlightenment assuring us that our brains weren't good enough to follow the arguments of men. "Gender roles" have nothing to do with that, and you're a fucking idiot if you think otherwise.

Open your mind, Joe. What would it mean ... for you to shut the fuck up for once?

So Sideshow probably fantasizes living a life like Collette, Vita Sackville-West, Radclyffe Hall, or Jeannette Winterson. Doubt he sees hisself as a Sheridan LeFanu.

...too bad Joe couldn't win The Lottery. Shirley Jackson's The Lottery.

 

[BluntyBitch]

so I'm talking with my trucker friend the other day. Total maga, stock car guy, mechanic, total manly tall fat greasemonkey. Even HE doesn't care if dudes wear dresses in the man's bathroom. I mean, it's obvs it's a man in a dress. gay marriage is pretty normalized now, that even he doesn't care if "dudes Wana be sissys now" whatever and wear a dress and hike it up to piss or whatever. Even HE doesn't give a shit.

So when I hear the trannies "uwo we don't feel safe so we're using the womens" like, fuck you, women need to be protected and kept safe and if YOURE in supposed danger DONT BRING THAT DANGER TO US IN * OUR* BATHROOM BY COMING IN OURS.

IDK if that makes sense but it's just another example of tranny's clearly invading our space and not caring about OUR safety, like oh cuz U don't feel safe, let's hide in the women's because as a tranny I'll feel safer with danger following me into where the women are! Makes total sense.

I consider it highly inconsiderate that Oh iM nOt sAfE let's bring it to the women's. Like wtf. Who asked u DICK ? OH wait u didn't ask u just decided since Tranny = I do what I want.

If even my trucker friend doesn't care about men in dresses pissing because they'd rather keep them from going in ours and then becoming our (unsafe) problem. because common fucking sense. Even my gay uncle thinks this.

How this shit got so messed up is just unbelievable.

https://youtu.be/Mtyp5r-pl_s

(Sorry I'ma phone fag still figuring out embed formatting)

 

[Side Face Flames]

so I'm talking with my trucker friend the other day. Total maga, stock car guy, mechanic, total manly tall fat greasemonkey. Even HE doesn't care if dudes wear dresses in the man's bathroom. I mean, it's obvs it's a man in a dress. gay marriage is pretty normalized now, that even he doesn't care if "dudes Wana be sissys now" whatever and wear a dress and hike it up to piss or whatever. Even HE doesn't give a shit.

So when I hear the trannies "uwo we don't feel safe so we're using the womens" like, fuck you, women need to be protected and kept safe and if YOURE in supposed danger DONT BRING THAT DANGER TO US IN * OUR* BATHROOM BY COMING IN OURS.

IDK if that makes sense but it's just another example of tranny's clearly invading our space and not caring about OUR safety, like oh cuz U don't feel safe, let's hide in the women's because as a tranny I'll feel safer with danger following me into where the women are! Makes total sense.

I consider it highly inconsiderate that Oh iM nOt sAfE let's bring it to the women's. Like wtf. Who asked u DICK ? OH wait u didn't ask u just decided since Tranny = I do what I want.

If even my trucker friend doesn't care about men in dresses pissing because they'd rather keep them from going in ours and then becoming our (unsafe) problem. because common fucking sense. Even my gay uncle thinks this.

How this shit got so messed up is just unbelievable.

https://youtu.be/Mtyp5r-pl_s

(Sorry I'ma phone fag still figuring out embed formatting)

I can believe that troons feel "unsafe" in men's bathrooms because men are fucking scary and violent. Which is the whole fucking point as to why women don't want men in their bathrooms.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

How do you think things end for sloppy Joe and Failory regarding their relationship and their social media presence? Do they go out with a whimper and just fade away or out with a bang?

Unlike their entire relationship, it will be private. The sheer ego blow and PR issue of their totally revolutionary double Trans relationship going tits up will be kept quiet and Joe will point accusatory fingers at TERF harassment if he ever directly addresses the subject.

I think it will take years for Mallory to process wtf happened to her. Idk if her ego will ever admit she got used and abused like a cum rag by a AGP grifter. I mean she has to cheerlead Joe fucking a nice thin blonde art history professor in their home and let’s Joe post photos with his fist choking her sad face, so the delusion is deep and profound.

She’s so beat down and deluded she could probably be convinced to bankroll a new apartment for Joe and a couple new girlfriends during a “conscious uncoupling” separation and agree to “like” 70% of all his tweets for the next three years.

Mallory’s spine is as prominent as her cock. The only fireworks that could happen would be if Mallory woke up and stood her ground against the skinwalker, so very doubtful. Joe plays her like a fiddle.

Whimper and fade away. They'll start living apart from each other and they won't say anything, and they'll mention each other less and less. Joe will continue being a narcissistic wannabe 25-year-old hipster thot and Mallory will probably get another steady writing gig but never reach the heights of admiration and critical acclaim she previously enjoyed.

This is likely mostly because most of their assets will be in Joe’s attempt to uncanny valley his face and Mallory stapling rotten baloney to her crotch.

As long as Mallory’s career continues it’s decline and Joe’s just hangs on to his job they won’t have any fight of division of assets.

 

[3MMA]

How do you think things end for sloppy Joe and Failory regarding their relationship and their social media presence? Do they go out with a whimper and just fade away or out with a bang?

Mallory will have an epiphany, but as stated above, it’ll be later than sooner.

If she were to have that breakthrough & see the forest, the trees, & the AGP, her writing could make a nice comeback.

People love a redemption story.

As is, & the direction she keeps heading, she’s stuck herself in a dying field, troon studies, fantasy, & fiction, w/ no room for growth. That queer theory genre has one way to go, down.

Normies are seeing through it, the capitalist rainbow lobby, & virtue signaling is like a pendulum. The end is near, w/ in a decade or so, & the gender trenders will have moved on to whatever new thing develops en vogue, or will have aged out of teenage to mid twenties scene phases.

The peak is coming, the well will dry. Will she abandon ship before & cash in? Or will she hang on, flay her arm, destruct more, & never quite catch that gravy train again?

Good question. For now, I think she will leave, but later, & Joe is already checked out, in that relationship. Don’t think she knows it yet, & he’s gonna hide it as long as possible to cash in & narc feed, too.

I’ll be pondering this awhile, have this weird insight that something is gonna give for them, soon. My thoughts on the matter are variable, but atm, lean towards what I’ve said.

As for social media, Joe will lie & drama out, Mal will be quiet at first, reconnect with actual friends, then put out a tell all, that is actually truthful & calls Joe & herself out, but especially Joe. She’ll lay into him hard, for his very public victim mongering, after the break up.

 

[Flour]

I wish Mallory a very pleasant divorce and decent tell-all book about living with the ultimate mansplainer, but I'm probably too optimistic about that outcome.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Mallory will have an epiphany, but as stated above, it’ll be later than sooner.

If she were to have that breakthrough & see the forest, the trees, & the AGP, her writing could make a nice comeback.

People love a redemption story.

As is, & the direction she keeps heading, she’s stuck herself in a dying field, troon studies, fantasy, & fiction, w/ no room for growth. That queer theory genre has one way to go, down.

Normies are seeing through it, the capitalist rainbow lobby, & virtue signaling is like a pendulum. The end is near, w/ in a decade or so, & the gender trenders will have moved on to whatever new thing develops en vogue, or will have aged out of teenage to mid twenties scene phases.

The peak is coming, the well will dry. Will she abandon ship before & cash in? Or will she hang on, flay her arm, destruct more, & never quite catch that gravy train again?

Good question. For now, I think she will leave, but later, & Joe is already checked out, in that relationship. Don’t think she knows it yet, & he’s gonna hide it as long as possible to cash in & narc feed, too.

I’ll be pondering this awhile, have this weird insight that something is gonna give for them, soon. My thoughts on the matter are variable, but atm, lean towards what I’ve said.

As for social media, Joe will lie & drama out, Mal will be quiet at first, reconnect with actual friends, then put out a tell all, that is actually truthful & calls Joe & herself out, but especially Joe. She’ll lay into him hard, for his very public victim mongering, after the break up.

One thing that does stick in my mind is how ruthlessly Mallory and Joe destroyed her family. Now Mallory would have handled the situation in an entirely different and private way without Joe’s influence. But irregardless it shows both of them are willing to go scorched earth without a drop of pity or consideration of the damage to the party they are pissed off at.

I think Joe would quickly and ruthlessly stab Mallory in the back and attempt to have her canceled the moment he felt he had lost control and felt threatened by her. I could easily see Joe goading her into arguments he could secretly record to use as leverage. Mallory misgendering him, or making some reference to Joe being a AGP, and he can try to whip up a tranny cancel mob. Joe is a nobody next to Mallory so I think he would be particularly vicious because he would fear her ability to quash his sad little attempts at a career outside of academia.

 

[gorgon]

sorry in advance for lack of context but I saw this screenshot on a le British GC twitter thread and noticed it was not posted here as of yet. Sally Hines is a very annoying TIM: Sally Hines is Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies at the University of Leeds, UK. She has published numerous articles and books, of which the most recent is Gender, Society and Culture. Hines is the principal investigator of the international project Pregnant Men: An International Exploration of Trans Male Experiences and Practices of Reproduction.

 

[Trianon]

Weird seeing “cis woman” used un-ironically on KF, recently. This place is usually pretty free of queer speak & queer speech policing. If anything, it is mocked.

I don't really blame people for having trouble fazing it out of their vocabulary. PoMo-speak creates a state of confusion and it's hard to untangle the thread enough to insist on using language that preexisted them. "Pronouns are rohypnol" indeed. Even using it by accident means you're already in the quicksand of trying to understand their argument. Don't. Engage. Call them men, keep your soul.

Here are some tweets from Joe:

Spoiler

Joe is reduced to bragging about like counts now. And bringing up months-old drama because it's his one claim to fame I guess.


Also ass mad about a detrans survey going around.


The Astonishing Anni swoops in to save the day.


Anni says detransitioners can't get help for their needs anywhere. Joe posts a shrug gif and the convo ends.

Archive

Spoiler: Tattoo

Mallory gets a pity tweet.

Spoiler: If only you knew how bad things really are

In Mallory news . . . a new podcast episode:

The Act of Estrangement​

Talking family estrangement, the “soft version” of family abolition, and the novel Detransition, Baby, with guest Sophie Lewis.

Transcript/Archive

Basically the main "advice letter" is about someone in their 30s who was abused by the dad, and is resentful that the family seems to side with him. Mallory and Guest talk a lot about "nuclear family abolition," how to talk about it with the other family members, and then Mallory gets into her story (the whole transcript is worth reading, but these are the parts specifically about the Ortbergs):

Spoiler

I’m going to try to share some of what my own experience has been, because it is both true and I’ve talked about this publicly, I am not in any contact with anyone that I’m related to. I have made it clear that I will not ever be in contact with any of them again. That’s been the case now since November 2019. It’s a number of different things. It was a very painful thing to have to do. It was an incredibly easy thing to do. It has been hard. It’s also been one of the best things that I’ve ever done. It’s probably the thing that I am proudest of, even though that it is not something that I normally think about it and just feel like calm pride wash over me. But it is an act that I’m very proud of.

I think one thing, too, that might be especially difficult for this letter writer, one of the ways in which I feel almost lucky is not the right word at all. But one of the things that I am aware made a real difference in my ability to draw a bright line was that the rupture between myself and my relatives had to do with endangering other people’s children. It was not about me. Whatever experiences I myself had as a member of that family, as a child in that family, were not at the forefront when I cut those ties that had to do with specifically my brother working closely and without supervision with children, which, you know, last ... not last November, in November of 2019, he told me that he was sexually attracted to children. And he also told me that the rest of my family had known for, in some cases, more than a year, and they were aware that he was continuing to work alone, unsupervised, on trips with children. And so that was not about me. That was really easy to go into battle over. And that just was really clear. That’s not right. And it wasn’t about how well do we know him? What do we believe his values are? It was simply like, that’s not a safe situation. You need to be in treatment. You need to not be alone with the children that you’re attracted to. And whatever organizations you may have been working with need to know about that so that they can investigate. Yeah, yeah. That just felt super straightforward.

My own relatives, I can think about what would be the best possible life for them. What would accountability look like? What would a different kind of life look like? And I can wish them safety, health and guidance. I think all of that is consistent with love. I don’t need to feel certain warm feelings in order to want that for them. But I’m also very aware that I cannot give them any of those things, in part simply because I don’t have perspective or distance or objectivity when it comes to any of them. So for me, whatever love is looks like remaining out of touch, not being in contact, trusting that if they ever choose to act differently or live their lives on a different basis, there will be professionals and advisors and guidance that they can access. That’s not me. And, you know, for my own part, remaining committed to principles of nonviolence. Yes. And that’s the best thing that I can give them.

I just want to flag the possibility that they will at that point bring in certain escalation tactics that are really common when somebody finally says, actually, I’m not going to remain in this family on the shared delusion that no one ever abused me, you might hear things like, I don’t really understand where this is coming from. You seem so angry all of a sudden. Is this connected to something that’s going on in your own life? They might try to blame it on a partner of yours, on new friends of yours, on some sense of you have changed. They might attempt to make you feel responsible for the physical or mental health of other relatives. They might suggest that by withholding contact, you are doing something aggressive or hostile, and they might go so far as to make you feel responsible for somebody else’s, you know, emotional well-being or desire to live. If they do that, that’s just right out of the playbook. That won’t make it easy to go through.
But I just I would I would want you to know that something that you can predict that follows certain plans.

You know, again, I don’t want to keep keep going back to that old well of just like what happened to me will happen to you, too. But, you know, when I had made it clear, among other things like this situation requires outside accountability, you have not, as a group, done right. And so I cannot protect this secret for you or just say, hey, you guys fix this. I have to inform outside organizations and they may or may not have to, like, trigger higher up investigations like that. I am taking that out of everybody’s hands. You know, at that point, I was, you know, various friends of mine my relatives got in touch with in order to say, you cannot report this, your brother is suicidal. And if you report this, he might not live. Which I found really heartbreaking. Particularly on this level, the idea that you would have a person you cared about, who you believed to be suicidal and your response was not how can I get them help? How can I get them treatment? But it would be to try to corral someone else into not doing the right thing. Yeah.

The second I told someone who I wasn’t related to about the situation, nobody was confused. Nobody was uncertain. Nobody said, you know what, maybe you should let them all keep, like, developing their secret rules. That seems like a good idea. Nobody whose last name wasn’t Ortberg thought that was a good plan. And one of the things that I felt really useful, energizing and freeing about that was realizing this is not a shared sense of reality, this is unique to this family and it requires that sort of family commitment to secrecy, loyalty to the brand above all else in order to flourish. And you do not have to live like that. You do not have to live like this. You may still have to carry around the sadness of the pain of I wish my relatives hadn’t done this to me, but you do not have to live in the world that they want you to live in. I think that’s my last thought on this one. Yeah. I meant I also don’t want to talk anymore about my own situation. So we’re going to go back to talking about the world writ large.

I said I was done bringing it all back to my own particular situation, but I do think of, you know, November 2019, and I did not experience what I chose to do, which was cutting ties with my family, as well as removing their ability to keep a secret, making a decision that would, in effect, force them into open accountability with various communities whether they wanted to or not. I was not saying and I don’t say kinship is bad, every experience we’ve had together is bad, you know, everything about this is as bad as the choices you’ve been making for the last 18 months. But, yeah, it did have to do with if the only way that this organization that this structure can continue to exist is by demanding my continued joining in the secrecy sharing in your compact and in your decision to hide some things from people outside the family, to have different sets of rules for people within and without the family. I won’t ... I won’t be in it. I ...I don’t ... I don’t want to. And so it was not this idea of anything, like any of the forms of relation that have existed here must be blasted off the face of the earth so much as just this is not the right way to live. There’s got to be something better than this going to be more than this. You shouldn’t be able to have this kind of power over other people simply because you’ve decided that your only loyalty on this earth can be to one another. A different set of rules for you, the Ortbergs, and then a different set of rules for everybody else. And, you know, in some ways I feel like I do get to keep a version of the people that I believed them to be or wanted them to be, and one of the things that I can sometimes kind of remind myself in that moment of, like I think there’s a version of my mother who could have been proud of that choice. Yeah, I can’t access her right now, certainly. And she did not herself make those choices. But when I think about the way that she tried to raise me, in some ways, I think, you know, you made a kid who was not going to make the wrong choice on that day, unfortunately. You didn’t make the right choice and you weren’t solely responsible for the ways in which I turned out as an adult, but there is a weird sense of in some version of the world, there’s a version of that where she could be proud of that. I think it doesn’t require, you know, my doing what she wants me to do and it doesn’t include our ever being in contact again.

You know, a lot of what I came to know in November of 2019 merits hatred and rage and anger. That is an appropriate response to a massive series of wrongs. Yeah. And so I can also be grateful for those things because they enabled me to do necessary and important things and things that, you know, I would hope would be accessible and available to anyone in similar situations. But I think one of the ways in which I actually felt really uniquely well situated to offer up a sort of judgement was, you know, I know exactly the forces that you were faced with, I know exactly what choices were available to you. And I was not tempted to make yours for even a minute. And so one of the things that I just felt really like well suited to say once was just I have nothing but contempt for the choices that you have made. I don’t want to make them, Sophie.

Later, they discuss Detransition, Baby, a troon book shortlisted for the Women's Prize somewhere. Mallory keys into the troon main character being deeply resentful of women and their ability to have children and who constantly gets mad that women complain about their pregnancies.

There are certainly ways in which complaining is a ritual way of drawing attention to something one is proud of without being accused of bragging. It is easy, I think, if one is familiar with such rituals, to assume that is a universal understanding and that everyone enters into it with that same unspoken set of assumptions ... Not to bring Detransition, Baby into the universe of Mean Girls, but for all that, Mean Girls can do this a little clumsily. And anyway, where they stand in front of the mirror, they discuss their physical attributes they don’t like. And, you know, first the girls are all talking about like, you know, I’m too fat, my shoulders are too manly, the sort of classic like I’m not womanly, I’m not shaved. Right. I’m not thin. Those are the things that I need to be. And Lindsay Lohan’s character attempts to join in but doesn’t know the rules. So she says, I have really bad breath in the morning. She just goes for, like, you know, animal disgust, which is just like the thing that kind of all bodies do, but one doesn’t talk about in the same way that might one freely talk about one’s shoulders in such a situation. And it’s just sort of immediately met with a combination of, like blank, somewhat disgusted stares like you didn’t play the game right. And in such a moment, you know, the audience might very well assume this is not necessarily merely a series of complaints out of nowhere, but a series of like socially acceptable ways of either asking for reassurance or of delineating like what you’re not allowed to say.

I brought up this exact scenario in the Tranny Sideshows thread a while back because some troon thought women were being sincerely jealous of his clothes/hair/makeup because he didn't get the unspoken complaint/compliment/reassurance exchange rule. So it seems universal here that troon rage comes from not picking up social cues.

 

[gorgon]

I don't really blame people for having trouble fazing it out of their vocabulary. PoMo-speak creates a state of confusion and it's hard to untangle the thread enough to insist on using language that preexisted them. "Pronouns are rohypnol" indeed. Even using it by accident means you're already in the quicksand of trying to understand their argument. Don't. Engage. Call them men, keep your soul.

Here are some tweets from Joe:

Spoiler

Joe is reduced to bragging about like counts now. And bringing up months-old drama because it's his one claim to fame I guess.
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Also ass mad about a detrans survey going around.
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The Astonishing Anni swoops in to save the day.
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Anni says detransitioners can't get help for their needs anywhere. Joe posts a shrug gif and the convo ends.
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Archive

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Spoiler: Tattoo

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Mallory gets a pity tweet.
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Spoiler: If only you knew how bad things really are

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In Mallory news . . . a new podcast episode:

The Act of Estrangement​

Talking family estrangement, the “soft version” of family abolition, and the novel Detransition, Baby, with guest Sophie Lewis.

Transcript/Archive

Basically the main "advice letter" is about someone in their 30s who was abused by the dad, and is resentful that the family seems to side with him. Mallory and Guest talk a lot about "nuclear family abolition," how to talk about it with the other family members, and then Mallory gets into her story (the whole transcript is worth reading, but these are the parts specifically about the Ortbergs):

Later, they discuss Detransition, Baby, a troon book shortlisted for the Women's Prize somewhere. Mallory keys into the troon main character being deeply resentful of women and their ability to have children and who constantly gets mad that women complain about their pregnancies.

I brought up this exact scenario in the Tranny Sideshows thread a while back because some troon thought women were being sincerely jealous of his clothes/hair/makeup because he didn't get the unspoken complaint/compliment/reassurance exchange rule. So it seems universal here that troon rage comes from not picking up social cues.

I don't really blame people for having trouble fazing it out of their vocabulary. PoMo-speak creates a state of confusion and it's hard to untangle the thread enough to insist on using language that preexisted them. "Pronouns are rohypnol" indeed. Even using it by accident means you're already in the quicksand of trying to understand their argument. Don't. Engage. Call them men, keep your soul.

Here are some tweets from Joe:

Spoiler

Joe is reduced to bragging about like counts now. And bringing up months-old drama because it's his one claim to fame I guess.
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Also ass mad about a detrans survey going around.
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The Astonishing Anni swoops in to save the day.
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Anni says detransitioners can't get help for their needs anywhere. Joe posts a shrug gif and the convo ends.
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Archive

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Spoiler: Tattoo

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Mallory gets a pity tweet.
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Spoiler: If only you knew how bad things really are

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In Mallory news . . . a new podcast episode:

The Act of Estrangement​

Talking family estrangement, the “soft version” of family abolition, and the novel Detransition, Baby, with guest Sophie Lewis.

Transcript/Archive

Basically the main "advice letter" is about someone in their 30s who was abused by the dad, and is resentful that the family seems to side with him. Mallory and Guest talk a lot about "nuclear family abolition," how to talk about it with the other family members, and then Mallory gets into her story (the whole transcript is worth reading, but these are the parts specifically about the Ortbergs):

Later, they discuss Detransition, Baby, a troon book shortlisted for the Women's Prize somewhere. Mallory keys into the troon main character being deeply resentful of women and their ability to have children and who constantly gets mad that women complain about their pregnancies.

I brought up this exact scenario in the Tranny Sideshows thread a while back because some troon thought women were being sincerely jealous of his clothes/hair/makeup because he didn't get the unspoken complaint/compliment/reassurance exchange rule. So it seems universal here that troon rage comes from not picking up social cues.

attached is Jos' sole liker

 

[Dromedary]

No shit Joe, no one likes having their work, heroes, events, spaces, art, etc, stolen.

Was thinking recently how troons are absolutely shit at making good or even decent art of any kind. Just whiny narcissist TikTok viseos and Alok's bad poetry scam. Execrable prose, eyesore drawings, derivative untintelligible cartoons, hideous fashion. Bad acting, no good music. I'm sure people will name exceptions but I just come up empty trying to think of troon cultural production that's any good. I'm thinking of the contemporary era.

I suppose they put all their energy into troonhood. But there's more to it I think. A narrow worldview. An inherent selfishness, they truly do not give a shit about anyone but themeselves. To make good art I think one has to have some generosity of spirit that most troons are too self -obsessed to have. Skills take time and effort too, to craft something good takes work and practice, and most troons strike me as kind of lazy. Not big on the "work" thing except for makeup and "cute "(fugly) outfits, and even then..
Just musing.

 

[Nothing To See Here]

I find the whining about the posttrans twitter thing especially weird - yes, they have some radfem stories on there, but they have a wide range of stories about why people decided to detransition. Including one, if I remember correctly, about someone who "detransitioned" from trans man to nonbinary. If I wanted to point to a bastion of virulent anti-trans hatred, they would be pretty much last on my list.

As much as radfems love detrans/desisted people (because they're often walking support for a lot of radfem arguments), and many detrans/desisted people have animosity for the trans community (because they feel lied to/used/abanonded/medically abused etc.), "purely" detrans spaces are often reasonably politically neutral and include people with a lot of different motivations for transition and detransition. Sitting there going "terf radfem transphobia waaah" is an... extremely bad look, intellectually speaking, because if he'd ever actually looked at one of those spaces he'd have noticed how very careful they usually are to steer wide of anything even approaching transphobia (though given I'm pretty sure that Joe classes "women being alive and breathing" as transphobia, possibly not wide enough for him).

 

[Legoshi]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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"don't fuck with me, i'm fucking enormous"
Yeah, your moobs and potbelly that you hardly even try to conceal are "fucking enormours". I love that he didn't even bother to shave his face either.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I don't really blame people for having trouble fazing it out of their vocabulary. PoMo-speak creates a state of confusion and it's hard to untangle the thread enough to insist on using language that preexisted them. "Pronouns are rohypnol" indeed. Even using it by accident means you're already in the quicksand of trying to understand their argument. Don't. Engage. Call them men, keep your soul.

Here are some tweets from Joe:

Spoiler

Joe is reduced to bragging about like counts now. And bringing up months-old drama because it's his one claim to fame I guess.
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Also ass mad about a detrans survey going around.
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The Astonishing Anni swoops in to save the day.
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Anni says detransitioners can't get help for their needs anywhere. Joe posts a shrug gif and the convo ends.
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Archive

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Spoiler: Tattoo

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Mallory gets a pity tweet.
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Spoiler: If only you knew how bad things really are

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In Mallory news . . . a new podcast episode:

The Act of Estrangement​

Talking family estrangement, the “soft version” of family abolition, and the novel Detransition, Baby, with guest Sophie Lewis.

Transcript/Archive

Basically the main "advice letter" is about someone in their 30s who was abused by the dad, and is resentful that the family seems to side with him. Mallory and Guest talk a lot about "nuclear family abolition," how to talk about it with the other family members, and then Mallory gets into her story (the whole transcript is worth reading, but these are the parts specifically about the Ortbergs):

Later, they discuss Detransition, Baby, a troon book shortlisted for the Women's Prize somewhere. Mallory keys into the troon main character being deeply resentful of women and their ability to have children and who constantly gets mad that women complain about their pregnancies.

I brought up this exact scenario in the Tranny Sideshows thread a while back because some troon thought women were being sincerely jealous of his clothes/hair/makeup because he didn't get the unspoken complaint/compliment/reassurance exchange rule. So it seems universal here that troon rage comes from not picking up social cues.

Every time Joe repeats the corny “my favorite writer with MY last name” I shutter. I wonder if he starts petting her hair every time after he says it.

This bit in particular got my attention:

second I told someone who I wasn’t related to about the situation, nobody was confused. Nobody was uncertain. Nobody said, you know what, maybe you should let them all keep, like, developing their secret rules. That seems like a good idea. Nobody whose last name wasn’t Ortberg thought that was a good plan.

She seems very reassured by the fact that people who do not know her family, are her friends and only hear her side of the situation completely sided with her. Who would have thunk it? It’s very easy to agree when you only hear from one side.

It’s also common social courtesy among women to blindly give empathetic support and agreement to someone detailing their grievances. “You go girl! You poor thing. Fuck those bastards, etc…”

Spoiler

It reminds me of a irritating woman I worked with years ago. We had to listen to endless drama about how awful her husband was and then what a bastard he was during the divorce. Everyone cut her slack because divorce was hard and she had been abused.

Years later I actually meet this “awful husband” He’s actually a very nice man, no way he was abusive. The ex-wife had dumped their kids on him and taken off with a meth head and had barely bothered to call the last two years. However, I’m sure she would still tell you how “everyone I worked with agreed my husband was abusive and the worst man in the universe.”

Mallory created a echo chamber for herself. I can only imagine how she ratcheted up the “eminent danger of young children” to paint her parents as inches from basically running a fundie child sex cult for Johnny Jr.

Mallory has this weird smugness the way she keeps repeating that she canceled her family because “they put children at risk” and not because of anything they did to her personally. She think this makes her very superior and noble compared to those commoners who cut off their families for only abusing them personally. Mallory cut off her family for the greater good!

It’s a point she brings up at any opportunity the “scandal” is mentioned. I’m sure it’s included in the elevator speech she has about her tattoos too. She’s very much the ultimate ethical, selfless hero in this narrative she’s constructed.

 

[messyesty]

Sally Hines is a very annoying TIM:

Quick correction: Hines is a woman.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

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Give them money! Lots of money and attention. Sally is very popular in the Trans community and gets lots of money herself for being the anti-TERF woman in UK idpol wars.

 

[ghost_ghost]

so I'm talking with my trucker friend the other day. Total maga, stock car guy, mechanic, total manly tall fat greasemonkey. Even HE doesn't care if dudes wear dresses in the man's bathroom. I mean, it's obvs it's a man in a dress. gay marriage is pretty normalized now, that even he doesn't care if "dudes Wana be sissys now" whatever and wear a dress and hike it up to piss or whatever. Even HE doesn't give a shit.

So when I hear the trannies "uwo we don't feel safe so we're using the womens" like, fuck you, women need to be protected and kept safe and if YOURE in supposed danger DONT BRING THAT DANGER TO US IN * OUR* BATHROOM BY COMING IN OURS.

IDK if that makes sense but it's just another example of tranny's clearly invading our space and not caring about OUR safety, like oh cuz U don't feel safe, let's hide in the women's because as a tranny I'll feel safer with danger following me into where the women are! Makes total sense.

I consider it highly inconsiderate that Oh iM nOt sAfE let's bring it to the women's. Like wtf. Who asked u DICK ? OH wait u didn't ask u just decided since Tranny = I do what I want.

If even my trucker friend doesn't care about men in dresses pissing because they'd rather keep them from going in ours and then becoming our (unsafe) problem. because common fucking sense. Even my gay uncle thinks this.

How this shit got so messed up is just unbelievable.

https://youtu.be/Mtyp5r-pl_s

(Sorry I'ma phone fag still figuring out embed formatting)

They aren't scared, they just don't want women to have anything that they can't have. I don't believe for a moment they are actually scared.

 

[ghost_ghost]

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Hines thinks that before the enlightenment skeletons were not sexed. This is your brain on queer theory.

 

[Chapstick4Lyfe]

"don't fuck with me, i'm fucking enormous"
Yeah, your moobs and potbelly that you hardly even try to conceal are "fucking enormours". I love that he didn't even bother to shave his face either.

Joe is so transparent with this shit. "Hahahah look how enormous I am hahaha. You don't have to make fun of me, look I'm doing it myself ahhaha. It doesn't bother me hahha. Look how much this isn't bothering me!"

This is the same energy as him saying that calling him Joe doesn't bother him because people used to call him Jos. He's so super ok with being called Joe, he just had to let us all know.

 

[Prescription Bugs]

In Mallory news . . . a new podcast episode:

The Act of Estrangement​

Talking family estrangement, the “soft version” of family abolition, and the novel Detransition, Baby, with guest Sophie Lewis.

Transcript/Archive

Basically the main "advice letter" is about someone in their 30s who was abused by the dad, and is resentful that the family seems to side with him. Mallory and Guest talk a lot about "nuclear family abolition," how to talk about it with the other family members, and then Mallory gets into her story (the whole transcript is worth reading, but these are the parts specifically about the Ortbergs):

Later, they discuss Detransition, Baby, a troon book shortlisted for the Women's Prize somewhere. Mallory keys into the troon main character being deeply resentful of women and their ability to have children and who constantly gets mad that women complain about their pregnancies.

I brought up this exact scenario in the Tranny Sideshows thread a while back because some troon thought women were being sincerely jealous of his clothes/hair/makeup because he didn't get the unspoken complaint/compliment/reassurance exchange rule. So it seems universal here that troon rage comes from not picking up social cues.

Two of my least favorite couple-doms (Grace and Danny and Sophie and Vicky , if they are still married that is) came together in this insufferable podcast with such gems as “cis” women have uteruses and babies to feel smug and that Danny’s brothers bad thoughts were absolutely catastrophic in all ways and totally similar to some sort of really bad abuse (still zero evidence of this).

Also somehow Danny’s new voice is hella annoying and Sophie’s accent is the kind that makes you want to rage. So in other words totally worth listening to if you forget why all this stuff is upsetting in the first place and you need to power up your fighting mojo. Haha