Lolcow Grace Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery (Joseph Lavery & Mallory Ortberg) - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

MirnaMinkoff

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Joe is so transparent with this shit. "Hahahah look how enormous I am hahaha. You don't have to make fun of me, look I'm doing it myself ahhaha. It doesn't bother me hahha. Look how much this isn't bothering me!"

This is the same energy as him saying that calling him Joe doesn't bother him because people used to call him Jos. He's so super ok with being called Joe, he just had to let us all know.
Given how he looks calling himself “Grace” is the ultimate self own. He had really high aspirations for his womanhood. Bertha would have been more appropriate, at least people wouldn’t roll their eyes when he introduced himself quite as hard.
 

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Given how he looks calling himself “Grace” is the ultimate self own. He had really high aspirations for his womanhood. Bertha would have been more appropriate, at least people wouldn’t roll their eyes when he introduced himself quite as hard.
Joe has no style
Joe has no grace
He's just a retard with a funny face

I kind of want to know where his high expectations and aspirations came from. Tranny porn? Doctored photos of prominent AGPs on twatter? Watching I am Jazz and Being Jazz every day? Did he fall victim to his own PoMo bullshit? Sometimes I get the impression he's trying to do camp only to fail and have it completely wrap around itself so it comes out just sad.
Then I realize he's an embodiment of the HA JOKES ON YOU I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED meme.
 

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Given how he looks calling himself “Grace” is the ultimate self own. He had really high aspirations for his womanhood. Bertha would have been more appropriate, at least people wouldn’t roll their eyes when he introduced himself quite as hard.
Kind of surprised he didn't just model himself after Auntie Maime because I thought at first that was what he was LARPING.
 
Was thinking recently how troons are absolutely shit at making good or even decent art of any kind. Just whiny narcissist TikTok viseos and Alok's bad poetry scam. Execrable prose, eyesore drawings, derivative untintelligible cartoons, hideous fashion. Bad acting, no good music. I'm sure people will name exceptions but I just come up empty trying to think of troon cultural production that's any good. I'm thinking of the contemporary era.

I suppose they put all their energy into troonhood. But there's more to it I think. A narrow worldview. An inherent selfishness, they truly do not give a shit about anyone but themeselves. To make good art I think one has to have some generosity of spirit that most troons are too self -obsessed to have. Skills take time and effort too, to craft something good takes work and practice, and most troons strike me as kind of lazy. Not big on the "work" thing except for makeup and "cute "(fugly) outfits, and even then..
Just musing.
It's the narcissism. Narcissists cannot take any sort of criticism without chimping out. They see a critique of their work as an attack them and then they narc rage. Any artist or creative knows that the only way to create good art is to create a lot of shitty art first.

You create shit art, someone tells you that it's shit (hopefully they tell you how to improve it too), you go back and try again. You never stop trying to create better work because you know you can never create perfection. Eventually you start creating work that isn't shit. This is where Troon's and narcs in general stop improving.

So as in all things Troon it boils down to narcissm. Probably autism too.
 

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I find the whining about the posttrans twitter thing especially weird - yes, they have some radfem stories on there, but they have a wide range of stories about why people decided to detransition. Including one, if I remember correctly, about someone who "detransitioned" from trans man to nonbinary. If I wanted to point to a bastion of virulent anti-trans hatred, they would be pretty much last on my list.

As much as radfems love detrans/desisted people (because they're often walking support for a lot of radfem arguments), and many detrans/desisted people have animosity for the trans community (because they feel lied to/used/abanonded/medically abused etc.), "purely" detrans spaces are often reasonably politically neutral and include people with a lot of different motivations for transition and detransition. Sitting there going "terf radfem transphobia waaah" is an... extremely bad look, intellectually speaking, because if he'd ever actually looked at one of those spaces he'd have noticed how very careful they usually are to steer wide of anything even approaching transphobia (though given I'm pretty sure that Joe classes "women being alive and breathing" as transphobia, possibly not wide enough for him).
Same. In fact, "post trans" is a positive term compared to "detrans," as it merely describes that you are "after" something instead of "not" something. It's a little more value-neutral, which may matter to some detransitioners who don't want to burn their bridges or blame trans ideology. And I agree, detrans blogs are scrupulous about their language and write/speak very clearly without seeming like they're straining to avoid landmines, and yet they still seem a compassionate, sincere bunch who genuinely don't want to hurt trans people. Maybe it's because they're speaking about very personal things, so they're not making sweeping statements or arguing. They're just trying to find language for something no one in history has had to go through before.

For Joe to jump to "this is genocidal" is unhinged. This is not the Ovarit crowd.

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Mallory is neither a lesbian nor a gay man. She is a Warhammer cleric.
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Well, you did steal her book idea.
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YoungHustle

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Same. In fact, "post trans" is a positive term compared to "detrans," as it merely describes that you are "after" something instead of "not" something. It's a little more value-neutral, which may matter to some detransitioners who don't want to burn their bridges or blame trans ideology. And I agree, detrans blogs are scrupulous about their language and write/speak very clearly without seeming like they're straining to avoid landmines, and yet they still seem a compassionate, sincere bunch who genuinely don't want to hurt trans people. Maybe it's because they're speaking about very personal things, so they're not making sweeping statements or arguing. They're just trying to find language for something no one in history has had to go through before.

For Joe to jump to "this is genocidal" is unhinged. This is not the Ovarit crowd.

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That pillow is goddamn filthy. The FUCK.
 

MirnaMinkoff

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Same. In fact, "post trans" is a positive term compared to "detrans," as it merely describes that you are "after" something instead of "not" something. It's a little more value-neutral, which may matter to some detransitioners who don't want to burn their bridges or blame trans ideology. And I agree, detrans blogs are scrupulous about their language and write/speak very clearly without seeming like they're straining to avoid landmines, and yet they still seem a compassionate, sincere bunch who genuinely don't want to hurt trans people. Maybe it's because they're speaking about very personal things, so they're not making sweeping statements or arguing. They're just trying to find language for something no one in history has had to go through before.

For Joe to jump to "this is genocidal" is unhinged. This is not the Ovarit crowd.

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Not even the mightiest filter can hold back Joe’s two ton eye bags. His book editor should give him some Preparation H to show she cares.

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Worse, it's designed to look like that!
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It looks like someone took a period-soaked pad and just stamped it on.
Why the fuck would a book editor give you a pillow case? Not even a “uwu decorative pillow” but here’s a “random pillow case hope it matches your sheet set” bed pillow.

I think Joe is just trying to pathetically wedge in the fact he has a book editor at any opportunity or he has a book editor who shops clearance sales at linens and things for odd gifts.
 

YoungHustle

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Not even the mightiest filter can hold back Joe’s two ton eye bags. His book editor should give him some Preparation H to show she cares.

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Why the fuck would a book editor give you a pillow case? Not even a “uwu decorative pillow” but here’s a “random pillow case hope it matches your sheet set” bed pillow.

I think Joe is just trying to pathetically wedge in the fact he has a book editor at any opportunity or he has a book editor who shops clearance sales at linens and things for odd gifts.
The wording is weird, too. Not “bought” or “gifted,” just... gave. Like one would give Dobby a sock.
 

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Not even the mightiest filter can hold back Joe’s two ton eye bags. His book editor should give him some Preparation H to show she cares.

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Why the fuck would a book editor give you a pillow case? Not even a “uwu decorative pillow” but here’s a “random pillow case hope it matches your sheet set” bed pillow.

I think Joe is just trying to pathetically wedge in the fact he has a book editor at any opportunity or he has a book editor who shops clearance sales at linens and things for odd gifts.
Maybe Grace is attempting the Curly Girl method. Is the pillow case silk/satin? That’s a thing.
 

MirnaMinkoff

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It’s a good pillow case for a sloppy person who wears make-up but can’t be bothered to wash their face before bed. A “pre-stained” pillow if you will, so new make up stains are barely noticeable!

Joe barely knows how to apply make-up so I’m sure removing it poses a particular challenge for him.
 

3MMA

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Someone mentions that Joe is always centered in bed pics and hey! suddenly cucked Mallory gets the sweet spot in this human centipede.

:thinking:
Normally I’d think this was optimistic, at best, but…in Joe’s case, it’s absolutely true.

The seethe is visible, in his eyes. As if he is saying, “see! I’m not centered always! Ha!”

& even in the pic he “featured” Mallory in, earlier, claiming he was happy being 2nd best writer of his last name.

(Which is absolutely not true, either. Found a woman named Grace Lavery, who writes, she owns gracelavery.com, etc. Sure other Lavery writers exist, too. The bar is super low, to write better than Joe. Most commenters on KF are better writers than him. Most parody accounts on Twitter are better writers than him. Etc.)

That photo w/ he & Mal, alone, was a cope, too. Joe was flaunting his marriage as insecure dudes flaunt anything & everything. Tried coming off benevolently, giving Mal a backhanded compliment, it was all about him.

He tries too hard, & his creepy, troon stares in these pics, give away his attempts to pwn.

He doesn’t look happy, snapping pics of Lily as she clings, naked, to wannabe Orson Wells there.


Side note: Who wears a t shirt to fuck? & even then, gets away w/ it for more than 5 minutes. Perhaps the pic was staged?

Everything was staged, that would be a decent, tell all, book title.
 

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If he lost sixty pounds he could really nail Monty Python’s Terry Jones in drag characters.

Now that you mentioned it, and since Joe is British...
It's a shame that all this troon cabal has done is push more troonphobia and homophobia via conversion therapy. If he could've just accepted that he's either bisexual or simply a man who likes to wear women's clothes, he might've had a shot at being a contemporary Quentin crisp or John Inman.
 

MirnaMinkoff

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Now that you mentioned it, and since Joe is British...
It's a shame that all this troon cabal has done is push more troonphobia and homophobia via conversion therapy. If he could've just accepted that he's either bisexual or simply a man who likes to wear women's clothes, he might've had a shot at being a contemporary Quentin crisp or John Inman.
Yes, but Quentin and John were perfectly nice gay men. They didn’t wear feminine clothes or styles to try to LARP as women or con “lesbians” into sucking their lady dicks. They stayed firmly in their lane.

How I wish all the creepy AGP troons would magically transform into droll gay men. The transwomen who stick to gay men and chasers are usually far better than the all the super creepy “transbians” and “trans bois” that have stunk up the LGBT world so badly.
 

MirnaMinkoff

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Someone deeply insecure about their body.
Yup.

I have no problem believing Mallory is a “nevernude”. All her everyday clothes hide her body as much as possible.

She gave up on the gay prep school boy from 1995 look about three months after declaring herself “ Daniel.”

Unfortunately Joe seems to have no such shame about his gross fat body and I think Lily is required to be nude or in a bra no less than 50% of the time she’s with Joe.
 

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