Grand Theft Auto - Yep, I've been drinkin' again...

[X Pac Heat]

They didn't replace shit. They were an expanded version of that shit from San Andreas with the gilfriends. SA literally had the same thing, right down to playing billiards at dates and shit.

Yeah, and they were fucking boring. More boring than the R3 missions you seem to hate. Definitely not the thing to make the main focus of the open world about.

The "mission structure scripting and variety", is just the biggest horseshit argument too. IV has the same mission design as San Andreas.

GTA IV is clearly far more scripted and boring to anyone that isn't massive retard and/or faggot.

Go live a real life instead of ruining fun games plz.

The big brained faggot take would be how missions structure is ackshually super outdated, going even into GTA5.

I actually pointed out GTA V is just as bad and it's only redeeming factor is brining back more fun vehicles. Calm down and actually read my full post sped.

People are still blindly seething near 13 years later.

He says as he seethes over my post lmfao

 

[JamesFargo]

Did someone activate Riot Mode in this thread? It's getting spicy.

 

[MirrorNoir]

so regarding the PSP games, if I just want to fuck around and kill people and break shit while putting no real time into the game like back in the day in GTA3 what's the best choice?

I would go with Vice City Stories; the radio stations are great and it distills the basics of why Vice City was so awesome given it's limitations and gives some decent lore which adds to the main VC lore.

 

[X Pac Heat]

Did someone activate Riot Mode in this thread? It's getting spicy.

It's to be expected. GTA IV was a lot of zoomers and faggots first GTA so they have some special connection to it like Nintendo fags with Ocarina of Time.

Notice he didn't go into my main point about how boring the fucking open world was. I'm sure he'll come back with "but Euphoria physics!1!1!" like some sort of autistic Valve fanboy.

 

[capitalBBustard]

It's to be expected. GTA IV was a lot of zoomers and faggots first GTA so they have some special connection to it like Nintendo fags with Ocarina of Time.

Notice he didn't go into my main point about how boring the fucking open world was. I'm sure he'll come back with "but Euphoria physics!1!1!" like some sort of autistic Valve fanboy.

Complains about nostalgiafagging while he actively nostalgiafags hisself. Peak schizo hours.

I love you jumping to the conclusion that everyone that played the old games first has to be as retarded as you.

 

[The Last Stand]

We're talking about GTA IV vs. 3D era now? Alrighty then.

The reasoning behind this was especially a slap in the face (Niko is an immigrant, he wouldn't care about flying planes, using military weaponry and equipment, using parachutes, upgrading and customizing vehicles, etc. etc. after San Andreas had CJ doing all that shit).

While you're objectively right about IV being drastically different than previous GTAs (and I agree), I feel with R*'s intent for the next generation and scope, it was a necessary decision. R* stated that they originally wanted to be ambitious with IV, but technological limitations with the new engine and hardware had them scale things back a bit.

The only problem with the story is that it doesn't make sense at all when taken into context of the open world, a problem that only matters because they were so god damn serious about making the open world grounded for the sake of the story.

Personally, I felt IV's Liberty City matched the tone of Niko's story. Although I will say that many locations felt similar to one another save for a few landmarks.

"da fren activitiy replace da gameplay"
They didn't replace shit. They were an expanded version of that shit from San Andreas with the gilfriends. SA literally had the same thing, right down to playing billiards at dates and shit.

Correct. IV expanded on the girlfriends mechanic from San Andreas and made it better. I never cared much about the girlfriends in SA, but an underrated aspect with the friends/girlfriend system is the character development between Niko and them. Characters exist outside of being mission givers; they have actual character.

Ambulance and all the other crap got cut because they were fucking terrible. 10 'levels' of the same 30 second gameplay loop to waste your time for half an hour. Only reason you would ever play that shit in the old games is to get infinite sprint or the hp boost, or whatever other bonus they gave.

Agreed, I despised the gameplay loop of Ambulance more than Taxi and Firefighter. Driving to, picking up and dropping off peds on a time and damage limit isn't the best use of your time. Especially with GTA SA being so vast with dead space in between hospitals.

Vigilante got turned into an actually fun diversion in IV instead of the old crap one.

You could leave the car when you get to the mission marker AND call for backup. I found them a nice replacement to Rampages with a purpose. One, you could do as many as you wish thanks to procedural generation with the side mission.

The "mission structure scripting and variety", is just the biggest horseshit argument too. IV has the same mission design as San Andreas.
- Missions that are based around/introduce a mechanic
- Gimmick mission

I recall three gimmicks with GTA IV's mission structure: the cell phone, tailing and those "choices" at the end of missions.

Anyways, for all the talk about GTA IV's great story, I still feel like it would have been far more impactful if at the end Niko did have all the shit Roman promised him at the expense of either his best friend or an innocent woman he loved. The line "So this is what the dream feels like. This is the victory we longed for." probably would have had a lot more impact if Niko actually did achieve the "dream" and didn't just wake up in a shitty apartment with absolutely nothing.

The "dream" for Niko was to leave behind the past in Liberty City. But his past kept creeping up behind him at the expense of him and the people around him.

And here I am enjoying both San Andreas and GTA IV, am I an outlier in the GTA community?

I enjoyed both. San Andreas for the gang environment and IV for the story. But neither have aged well as time progressed and similar games outdid both in mechanics and execution.

Notice he didn't go into my main point about how boring the fucking open world was. I'm sure he'll come back with "but Euphoria physics!1!1!" like some sort of autistic Valve fanboy.

One big gripe with IV is after you're finished with the story, what's left to do? It leaves you thinking all Niko did was for nothing. You can't do much with your money. The city is too claustrophobic. The game doesn't even reward you for going to 100% completion. An achievement and "limitless ammo," thanks. I shot these hard to reach birds only for you to give me an achievement? Thanks Ubisoft, I mean R*.

Somebody mentioned that GTA IV is a competent third person shooter. Causing mayhem in IV feels like a survival game with the cover system, heavy driving, weapon mechanic and search function of the LCPD. It's not "fun," just a challenging chore.

 

[X Pac Heat]

Somebody mentioned that GTA IV is a competent third person shooter.

I said it COULD have been a great third person shooter. For that to work though the mechanics would have to be improved greatly. They feel like they are held back because of trying to make it work within the open world, or because of also needing to worry about vehicles, or something.

I imagine the world of GTA IV, but with better level design and the mechanics of Max Payne 3. That would have been a great game IMO.

 

[The Last Stand]

I said it COULD have been a great third person shooter. For that to work though the mechanics would have to be improved greatly. They feel like they are held back because of trying to make it work within the open world, or because of also needing to worry about vehicles, or something.

Again, the Eurphobia physics and then newly developed RAGE engine took time for R* to refine. IV was a mechanically sound third person shooter. You could shoot guns from enemies with a well placed shot. I didn't even know that. Auto-aim made it trivial.

 

[JamesFargo]

You could shoot guns from enemies with a well placed shot.

Wow. I don't think even Hitman lets you do that.

 

[X Pac Heat]

Again, the Eurphobia physics and then newly developed RAGE engine took time for R* to refine. IV was a mechanically sound third person shooter. You could shoot guns from enemies with a well placed shot. I didn't even know that. Auto-aim made it trivial.

Sorry I thought you were criticizing me for saying that. I should clarify that I mean the mechanics of movement would need to be improved as well as the hud moreso the actual physics or anything.

 

[The Last Stand]

If you're interested in GTA IV's development, I recommend reading Eurogamer's piece with Aaron Garbut.

Grand Theft Auto IV's Aaron Garbut: Part 1

www.eurogamer.net

Grand Theft Auto IV's Aaron Garbut: Part 2

www.eurogamer.net

 

[The Valeyard]

GTA Online's latest update is seven new arenas for the Tron-inspired Adversary Mode that no one wanted.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

GTA Online's latest update is seven new arenas for the Tron-inspired Adversary Mode that no one wanted.

and they were announced month ago

 

[JamesFargo]

GTA Online's latest update is the Tron-inspired Mode that no one wanted

There's a Fortnite killer if ever I saw one: Doomed sequels from ten years ago.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

There's a Fortnite killer if ever I saw one: Doomed sequels from ten years ago.

dude, R* clearly don't know how to make MMOs and with Houser more interested in spinning up his record company, I expect in November disaster bigger then TLoU 2

 

[X Pac Heat]

GTA Online's latest update is seven new arenas for the Tron-inspired Adversary Mode that no one wanted.

This is insanity. I tried to play the Tron levels like 2 months after they first released to unlock the bike discount and literally NOBODY was on them. I had to wait like a year and half for their to be some kind of double XP event and even then I only found like 3 matches tops.

I know the "summer" update has sucked balls for forever now but god damn. It's to the point that I don't believe Cops and Crooks was ever an actual thing and GTAForums just claimed they scrapped it cause of Saint Floyd out of Cope.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

This is insanity. I tried to play the Tron levels like 2 months after they first released to unlock the bike discount and literally NOBODY was on them. I had to wait like a year and half for their to be some kind of double XP event and even then I only found like 3 matches tops.

what i said?

dude, R* clearly don't know how to make MMOs

I know the "summer" update has sucked balls for forever now but god damn. It's to the point that I don't believe Cops and Crooks was ever an actual thing and GTAForums just claimed they scrapped it cause of Saint Floyd out of Cope.

IIRC there is reference to CnC in files, but I need to check it tho

 

[ProblematicUser420]

Lets see how GTAForums is handling this.

lol these autists still crying about being "loyal customers" after how many blatant "go fuck yourselves" from Rockstar over the years?

 

[Fuck Y'all]

Lets see how GTAForums is handling this.

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lol these autists still crying about being "loyal customers" after how many blatant "go fuck yourselves" from Rockstar over the years?

lmao I don't bother looking there since I was kicked for calling out another gayass "tease" supported by admins and I surely will be banned, when I will call admin a fucking bootlicking bugman when "Expanded"&Enhanced drops

 

[JamesFargo]

lol these autists still crying about being "loyal customers" after how many blatant "go fuck yourselves" from Rockstar over the years?

These people aren't thrown from the saddle easily.