Guilty or innocent? your thoughts? -

[Picklepower]

This is a thread about the most famous, polarizing legal cases, that have involved famous people. I want to read your thoughts on the guilt/ or innocence of these celebrities. I think this could be fun, Lets start with the most current example of a celebrity, legal controversy, the Woody Allen situation. Do you think he did, or did not do, what he is accused of? why or why not? My opinion on this case: I don't know, but I really hope he didn't, I'll admit it. Right now all we have is he said, she said, and no hard evidence. Many people would point to the Soon Yi situation as evidence that he is at least pervert, but keep in mind 2 things, 1. She wasn't his step daughter actually, and 2. she was 19 when they got together. I feel like the Soon Yi thing is a red herring, and shouldn't be used to judge his guilt. I'll admit, none of us has enough evidence to completely make up our mind either way about this.

 

[CatParty]

Guilty

 

[A-Stump]

Hasn't Woody Allen already been accused of this type of thing before?

 

[Picklepower]

I think it was the same case, but this has come up again recently. Keep in mind, I'm not his lawyer lol, so if I see good reason to believe he did it, I will admit it.
I just found a quote that sounds REALLY bad in light of this, this quote was from 1976, in People magazine

"I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him." Allen pauses. "Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone," he ventures helplessly. "I admit to it all."

Also with the whole "separation of the Art from the artist" I do draw the line at things like rape. I refuse to watch Victor Salvas movies, and I feel almost guilty for enjoying the movie Rosemary's Baby, (that was by Roman Palanski) And I would never listen to music by say, Gary Glitter, or the Lostprophets, after hearing about, their crimes. But that could be its own topic really.

 

[Andrew Noel Schaefer]

I'm innocent, man! Dont go throwing around accusations about me and andy, man! HE came onto ME!

Oh, wait, woody allen. Heh heh... Nevermind...

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DISCLAIMER: I am not actually a cowboy doll.Also I apoligise for the gimmicky post.

 

[A-Stump]

I'm innocent, man! Dont go throwing around accusations about me and andy, man! HE came onto ME!

Oh, wait, woody allen. Heh heh... Nevermind...

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DISCLAIMER: I am not actually a cowboy doll.Also I apoligise for the gimmicky post.

There's a snake in mah boot

Anyways Woody is probably guilty, he's always given off a bit of a creeper vibe. He's the kind of person who acts like he can get away with anything.

 

[garbageraider]

This is a thread about the most famous, polarizing legal cases, that have involved famous people. I want to read your thoughts on the guilt/ or innocence of these celebrities.

How has no one mentioned this yet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case
O.J. screwed up his getaway by carrying a large amount of cash and wearing a fake beard. That, and he was stoic at the funeral. And he only offered a reward to find the killer after it became obvious that he was the only suspect. That reward offer made him look terrible.

 

[Rev. Rye]

Hasn't Woody Allen already been accused of this type of thing before?

Yes. When she was seven and he still had regular contact with her, Mia Farrow accused him of molesting Dylan. A team of investigators were sent to see if there was any truth to the allegations; they found absolutely nothing.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/02/23/r ... rdict.html

That, and her own testimony was suspect:

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/04/nyreg ... ments.html

And, bear in mind, throughout the case, Woody was demonized, so it wasn't just a case of the investigators being intimidated by star power; if anything, he had a lot against him, and yet, he still wound up in the clear on that charge. I doubt that, if the case ends up getting re-opened, it'll end up differently.

 

[A-Stump]

People can be bought off. That's all I have to say. Money can make miracles happen and evidence fall right through the cracks.

 

[Rev. Rye]

People can be bought off. That's all I have to say. Money can make miracles happen and evidence fall right through the cracks.

So, basically, he was able to buy off the team who studied Dylan for signs of sexual abuse, but not the judge? Because the judge was pretty damning in his assessment of Woody Allen's skills as a parent, so one of three things happened.

[*]Woody bribed both the judge and the team of doctors, but the Judge didn't accept it, yet, for some reason, never went public about it.
[*]Woody bribed the team of doctors, but not the judge, the person who held the future of his reputation in his hands.
[*]The bribe explanation doesn't work in this case.

I'll just leave it to you to decide which is more likely.

 

[Judge Holden]

Unfortunately, we aint ever going to know which side is telling the truth in this case.

While much of woody's past actions and statements may well lead to some thinking he "must" be guilty (i.e. marrying his adopted daughter, his support for Polanski) this has no bearing on this particular case. However on the other hand it is a deeply depressing fact of society that powerful, esteemed, famous, and wealthy individuals can spend their entire lives sexually abusing children and not get found out until after they are dead (or never in some cases).

The absolute epitome of this is Jimmy Savile. the guy abused and raped hundreds of children and teenagers over the course of decades and had the entire media happily look the other way because he was such a "beloved and respected" figure who was able to pay off or befriend enough people in authority to get off with everything he did, no matter how many victims attempted to report him during his life. There are many more however, and thanks to the fact that their victims tend to be vulnerable, easily manipulated, and easily dismissed as "lying" or "deluded" if they ever attempt to make their ordeal public, all too often victims never even attempt to tell the world.

 

[Some JERK]

Unfortunately, we aint ever going to know which side is telling the truth in this case.

While much of woody's past actions and statements may well lead to some thinking he "must" be guilty (i.e. marrying his adopted daughter, his support for Polanski) this has no bearing on this particular case. However on the other hand it is a deeply depressing fact of society that powerful, esteemed, famous, and wealthy individuals can spend their entire lives sexually abusing children and not get found out until after they are dead (or never in some cases).

The absolute epitome of this is Jimmy Savile. the guy abused and raped hundreds of children and teenagers over the course of decades and had the entire media happily look the other way because he was such a "beloved and respected" figure who was able to pay off or befriend enough people in authority to get off with everything he did, no matter how many victims attempted to report him during his life. There are many more however, and thanks to the fact that their victims tend to be vulnerable, easily manipulated, and easily dismissed as "lying" or "deluded" if they ever attempt to make their ordeal public, all too often victims never even attempt to tell the world.

There is absolutely a "two tiered" justice system in the USA.
If you're unfamiliar with the Ethan Couch case, i suggest looking it up. Basically this kid stole beer from Wal Mart, got trashed, drove drunk, and hit a mother and her daughter who had stopped to help a stranded motorist on the side of the road. He killed them as well as the motorist they were helping and another person who had stopped to help. Some of his friends in the back of his truck were also seriously injured. He got 10 years probation. His defense argued that since he was so wealthy, he was never held accountable for anything, and therefore couldn't be blamed for his own reckless behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

 

[A-Stump]

People can be bought off. That's all I have to say. Money can make miracles happen and evidence fall right through the cracks.

So, basically, he was able to buy off the team who studied Dylan for signs of sexual abuse, but not the judge? Because the judge was pretty damning in his assessment of Woody Allen's skills as a parent, so one of three things happened.

[*]Woody bribed both the judge and the team of doctors, but the Judge didn't accept it, yet, for some reason, never went public about it.
[*]Woody bribed the team of doctors, but not the judge, the person who held the future of his reputation in his MANOS.
[*]The bribe explanation doesn't work in this case.

I'll just leave it to you to decide which is more likely.

I'm pretty sure bribing a judge or even trying to is a felony and it'd make more sense to bribe the people who could potentially sway a trial. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm merely saying money can sure get a lot done.

 

[Foulmouth]

Guilty as fuck.I have no evidence or theories,I just hate Woody Allen.