Guitar and Bass Discussion - Sperg about players that inspire you, gear, share your experiences, etc.

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

Agreed. I never got into Rickenbackers. However, a 360-12 would be my choice, if I ever got horny for 12-strings.

Anyways - A couple retailers (specifically Casino Guitars) are alerting customers to _Record Numbers of New-Guitar Quality Issues_.
Mismanagement of Covid edicts, combined with the least mechanically-capable generations ever spawned, has resulted in chaos. Both Fender and Gibson are reporting 9+ month delays for warranty repairs/replacements. Un-godly delays for custom shop orders.
This explains the market-inverse in recent history.
When you look at gear - bring tools. Any issues you have are going to stay with you, unless you want to wait a year.
USA guitars are back to 1970s level of quality, baby!

Feel Good Video tax. Self explanatory.
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Damn, I do note that both my new strat and pedals have all had huge delays in shipments which was blamed on covid...... here in 2021 like they haven't learned anything in 12 months. This is a much more realistic explanation as to why shits delayed, probably some great alder and pau ferro bonfires to attend on the mexican border rn.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

Another technical question for you guys cuz I'm bored:

Whether you are a one genre pony or try to do a bit of everything, you need to start somewhere to both get into a genre and to get past a bare-bones level of playing in said genre. What has worked for you to both get your first step onto the path of a new genre as well as how to rise above a surface-level ability? Do you prefer technique-focused lessons? Youtube "how to play x" videos? songbooks? transcribing? pretending to play over a pre-recorded track for fame?

Interested to see what does work for everyone and what doesn't. I personally do technique lessons on yt or whatever and try to transcribe songs myself but it is a very long and slow process and many genres are dauntingly out of reach due to how slow this is.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

Another technical question for you guys cuz I'm bored:

Whether you are a one genre pony or try to do a bit of everything, you need to start somewhere to both get into a genre and to get past a bare-bones level of playing in said genre. What has worked for you to both get your first step onto the path of a new genre as well as how to rise above a surface-level ability? Do you prefer technique-focused lessons? Youtube "how to play x" videos? songbooks? transcribing? pretending to play over a pre-recorded track for fame?

Interested to see what does work for everyone and what doesn't. I personally do technique lessons on yt or whatever and try to transcribe songs myself but it is a very long and slow process and many genres are dauntingly out of reach due to how slow this is.

I usually find a song I like in that genre and learn it, sometimes by ear, sometimes with the help of YT. Then, I'll do a bit of research into what the "defining characteristics" are for that style and focus on drilling those until I at least understand the building blocks of the style/genre. Youtube is handy for this, mostly because a lot of the "backing track in the style of 'X' " type vids will deliberately include a lot of the stereotypical elements of that style.

Most of the time, I won't have any real intention of deep-diving into that genre, I'll just learn the specific techniques/stylistic hallmarks and incorporate them where possible into my playing style.* I've often found that getting the right sound for a genre will help immensely with glomming how to play it, too.

*

Spoiler: This absolutely isn't a flex, I wouldn't claim to be particularly good at guitar, just trying to illustrate a point.

The sound of the band I play in currently is most often likened to Backyard Babies, Glucifer, Supersuckers, G'n'R,; fairly basic rock music, but depending on the song, I might use (and have used) techniques like tapping, pinch harmonics, behind the nut bends, bar gargles, compound bends, harp harmonics, cross hands, slide, "prepared guitar"... Whatever fits the song and gets the sound in my head to come out of the guitar. The more genres I dip into and learn from, the easier that process is.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

I usually find a song I like in that genre and learn it, sometimes by ear, sometimes with the help of YT. Then, I'll do a bit of research into what the "defining characteristics" are for that style and focus on drilling those until I at least understand the building blocks of the style/genre. Youtube is handy for this, mostly because a lot of the "backing track in the style of 'X' " type vids will deliberately include a lot of the stereotypical elements of that style.

Most of the time, I won't have any real intention of deep-diving into that genre, I'll just learn the specific techniques/stylistic hallmarks and incorporate them where possible into my playing style.* I've often found that getting the right sound for a genre will help immensely with glomming how to play it, too.

*

Spoiler: This absolutely isn't a flex, I wouldn't claim to be particularly good at guitar, just trying to illustrate a point.

The sound of the band I play in currently is most often likened to Backyard Babies, Glucifer, Supersuckers, G'n'R,; fairly basic rock music, but depending on the song, I might use (and have used) techniques like tapping, pinch harmonics, behind the nut bends, bar gargles, compound bends, harp harmonics, cross hands, slide, "prepared guitar"... Whatever fits the song and gets the sound in my head to come out of the guitar. The more genres I dip into and learn from, the easier that process is.

I'm half and half on board with not going too deep. At my skill level, I'd like to take more deep dives into Classic rock, more 80s/90s stuff, but I agree that being about to grab techniques from other genres and throw them into your playing style is a good way to set yourself apart.

I find the hardest thing to do though is to try and get that first foot in the door. I legit feel like watching martymusic videos on how to play led zepp or hendrix is sacrilege, but at the same time trying to transcribe techniques you don't even know is seemingly impossible. There also comes the ideology of "playing it correctly". I don't force my transcriptions to be played exactly, rather to what sounds better to me, but I can't help but want to learn how to play those famous licks perfectly.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Guitar Habbenings:
Another chink guitar company: Eart Guitars, saturation-bombed Youtube last month. Who knows if they are any good, since everyone was paid-off

The worst guitar youtuber, Stevie-T, got his channel hacked. I'll buy the 'hacker' a drink.

Gibson Garage is back. Chance to win a Gibson every week. US and Canada only.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

Guitar Habbenings:
Another chink guitar company: Eart Guitars, saturation-bombed Youtube last month. Who knows if they are any good, since everyone was paid-off

The worst guitar youtuber, Stevie-T, got his channel hacked. I'll buy the 'hacker' a drink.

Gibson Garage is back. Chance to win a Gibson every week. US and Canada only.

Darrell Braun or whatever his name is did a video comparing 2 donner guitars this week, 1 sent for a previous promotion video and 1 he ordered from factory. He looked over them, gave no clear sign which was which in a way you could tell besides trust, and at the end, because the 2 are similar, his verdict is NO GUITAR SENT AS A PROMOTION FROM ANY, I REPEAT ANY, COMPANY IS A SPECIALLY SELECTED MODEL. I know he's a leaf but this is next level retarded.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Darrell Braun or whatever his name is did a video comparing 2 donner guitars this week, 1 sent for a previous promotion video and 1 he ordered from factory. He looked over them, gave no clear sign which was which in a way you could tell besides trust, and at the end, because the 2 are similar, his verdict is NO GUITAR SENT AS A PROMOTION FROM ANY, I REPEAT ANY, COMPANY IS A SPECIALLY SELECTED MODEL. I know he's a leaf but this is next level retarded.

Lol, Darrell can lie to his viewers about 'no sponsored guitar was reviewed' , but not the Canada Revenue Agency. Canadian law is extremely clear -Darrell declared one guitar as 'income'.

This industry (and other 'promoted' company sponsored 'tube ads' ) will be corrected soon, and severely.

Television started out like this in the 1950s, then the bureaucrats got involved with thousands of 'Truth in Advertising' laws and such. FCC got involved as well as lobbyists working with government. Laundering marketing budgets through 'gifts' is the oldest trick in the book.

My advice to any gear 'influencer' : Grab that sweet dosh now. Take every dollar for every POS, chinky, slave-labor produced, endangered species wood guitar manufacturer on the planet. Mark my words- by the end of Biden's term Youtube will be fully under the thumb of the Feds. Every 'influencer' will need to hire a team of lawyers, accountants, and clerks just to file the paperwork to take ad revenue.

I hate 'influencers', but I hate paper tigers more. The 'influencers' will reap what they sow.

 

[Bad Gateway]

Lol, Darrell can lie to his viewers about 'no sponsored guitar was reviewed' , but not the Canada Revenue Agency. Canadian law is extremely clear -Darrell declared one guitar as 'income'.

This industry (and other 'promoted' company sponsored 'tube ads' ) will be corrected soon, and severely.

Television started out like this in the 1950s, then the bureaucrats got involved with thousands of 'Truth in Advertising' laws and such. FCC got involved as well as lobbyists working with government. Laundering marketing budgets through 'gifts' is the oldest trick in the book.

My advice to any gear 'influencer' : Grab that sweet dosh now. Take every dollar for every POS, chinky, slave-labor produced, endangered species wood guitar manufacturer on the planet. Mark my words- by the end of Biden's term Youtube will be fully under the thumb of the Feds. Every 'influencer' will need to hire a team of lawyers, accountants, and clerks just to file the paperwork to take ad revenue.

I hate 'influencers', but I hate paper tigers more. The 'influencers' will reap what they sow.

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good, but surely - at this point - nobody believes at face value anything any influencer channel says in any industry. Not in [CURRENT YEAR], too much has happened. Too much of the exact same stuff has happened when it comes down to paid reviews. Obviously you can literally see the impact of these reviews, but so what if a few hundred assholes get all GASsed up and go buy another $300 LP style from wherever the shit? Does it matter? Not in the galactic sense obviously, but does it matter that those people bought those guitars instead of...I guess...A Squier or whatever? Or instead of paying a ton more for something from Gibson that was literally made in the same factory? Probably not. Even with full knowledge of the potential for fakery in hand, I think there are still things to be gained from those big channels. They typically have good audio quality and well-composed videos, so tone comparisons are significantly easier to listen to as compared to some asshole using too much overdrive recording with a potato using a speak n spell as an amp. Almost no small channels (meaning just some guy with a guitar and some pickups) demo clean tones, what the fuck IS that fuck off.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Maybe I'm just too cynical for my own good, but surely - at this point - nobody believes at face value anything any influencer channel says in any industry. Not in [CURRENT YEAR], too much has happened. Too much of the exact same stuff has happened when it comes down to paid reviews. Obviously you can literally see the impact of these reviews, but so what if a few hundred assholes get all GASsed up and go buy another $300 LP style from wherever the shit? Does it matter? Not in the galactic sense obviously, but does it matter that those people bought those guitars instead of...I guess...A Squier or whatever? Or instead of paying a ton more for something from Gibson that was literally made in the same factory? Probably not. Even with full knowledge of the potential for fakery in hand, I think there are still things to be gained from those big channels. They typically have good audio quality and well-composed videos, so tone comparisons are significantly easier to listen to as compared to some asshole using too much overdrive recording with a potato using a speak n spell as an amp. Almost no small channels (meaning just some guy with a guitar and some pickups) demo clean tones, what the fuck IS that fuck off.

I agree with 95% of what you said. Except for 'tone shopping'. Buy an audio/music product due to a YouTube promo, you may be severely disappointed... Ignoring the audio production shenanigans that the advertisers use to launder the tone, the YouTube compression algo screws with tone.
The YouTube algo does an awesome job with reduction of bandwidth and compression for 98% of the audio. However, that elusive 2% of tone is what musicians and professionals are hunting. Sometimes even less that 2%, just a resonant twang in a weirdly-wound bobbin in a pup. A lost nail in the body of a guitar, a phasing mistake in pickup magnetics, the list goes on (all the previous are famous musician examples).

When shopping over the internet, ask a manufacturer for an uncompressed (not .mp3) example of the tone, with clean comparisons.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

I agree with 95% of what you said. Except for 'tone shopping'. Buy an audio/music product due to a YouTube promo, you may be severely disappointed... Ignoring the audio production shenanigans that the advertisers use to launder the tone, the YouTube compression algo screws with tone.
The YouTube algo does an awesome job with reduction of bandwidth and compression for 98% of the audio. However, that elusive 2% of tone is what musicians and professionals are hunting. Sometimes even less that 2%, just a resonant twang in a weirdly-wound bobbin in a pup. A lost nail in the body of a guitar, a phasing mistake in pickup magnetics, the list goes on (all the previous are famous musician examples).

When shopping over the internet, ask a manufacturer for an uncompressed (not .mp3) example of the tone, with clean comparisons.

I shit you not, the tone of my boss TU-2 is nothing like the youtube videos.

Kidding aside, I agree with BG, I ignore what they say and listen for tone, but the audacity of DBG to claim all brands are innocent based off of 1 sketchy example was too ludicrous not to mention here.

The best pedal demo-er is Pedal Bored, but he is a covid fag from england or something so he can't do any demos with his kids at home pretending to do schoolwork.

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Well if I ever get off my perpetual stint of nights, a music store South of where I live has one of the basses I have been looking at getting as a treat to myself; the BC Rich Mockingbird in transparent red. Hopefully they'll still have it in stock whenever I get a chance to leave town for a bit.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

I shit you not, the tone of my boss TU-2 is nothing like the youtube videos.

Kidding aside, I agree with BG, I ignore what they say and listen for tone, but the audacity of DBG to claim all brands are innocent based off of 1 sketchy example was too ludicrous not to mention here.

The best pedal demo-er is Pedal Bored, but he is a covid fag from england or something so he can't do any demos with his kids at home pretending to do schoolwork.

I went to that channel, no new vids for 1 year? WTF?
Then I went hunting around the internet for other pedal channels and pedal retail shops. I found out that internet shops that specialize exclusively on pedals DO exist, and they tend to go BK after 1-2 years. Don't open an internet 'pedal shop'.

Anyway. Rando news.
Sam Ash is selling the unfortunately named 'Hotone' Binary series of digital pedals for @ $60 on Reverb. I saw the 'Mod' pedal was still in stock. Considering this pedal was @ $300 last year, it's a p big deal. Kinda has that chinese 'digital' overtone that you instantly recognize (and hate). like an early 2000s Line 6 product... Audio equivalent of the 'chinese smell' in your Amazon delivery....
God bless Chingrish. I read 'Hotone' and instantly thought "Who the fuck would name a company Hoe-Tone?". I realized later that they were going for Hot Tone. However, I like my version better. I may buy one just to say I have a Hoe-Tone.

I found an Epiphone Bully (limited SG model) on FB Marketplace for $150. Making a 'limited' model out of a shitty, chinese, plywood guitar is kinda a joke (fuck Gibson). However, I've heard the Bully actually has some cool pickups.
My Evil Plan: Purchase the Epiphone Bully, rout a cavity for a Korg Mini Kaos Pad, call it the Cyberbully. However, what symbol should I brand the Cyberbully with?

I might be getting a REAL job soon. Sucks.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

I went to that channel, no new vids for 1 year? WTF?

Yeah like I said, he has great demos, but is unable to post since covid. His community tab is him occasionally bitching about lockdowns but in a cuck "hur dur virus bad" kind if way.

I might be getting a REAL job soon. Sucks.

Like reviewing gear on youtube and giving recommendations definitely not based on undisclosed paychecks?

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Yeah like I said, he has great demos, but is unable to post since covid. His community tab is him occasionally bitching about lockdowns but in a cuck "hur dur virus bad" kind if way.


Like reviewing gear on youtube and giving recommendations definitely not based on undisclosed paychecks?

I've only reviewed gear here.
Null is a cheap fucker, hasn't paid me a red cent.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

I've only reviewed gear here.
Null is a cheap fucker, hasn't paid me a red cent.

To be fair, Null has a pretty complex taste in music, namely the genre, "jersh music".

 

[Orange Rhymer]

Image tax: The Epiphone 'Bully'. Part of the failed 'E-Series' of 2001: The Bully, Basher, Pierced SG, and Extreme SG.
A sophomoric group of modified standard models that included radical body changes, electronics, or both. All priced at a beginner level, with construction and craftsmanship to match.

The Bully came in 3 colors: Just Black, Bruise Purple, and Blood Red. Personally, I like the theme. Kinda like 'Bullies are cool', instead of CY horseshit. Actually today, we have the worst and most prevalent bullying. CY bullies dress like the other sex, and bully you by crying and shrieking while calling you a nahtzee. Then you get cancelled.

ANYWAY....
If I buy this bad boy (not above, but similar), WHAT SHOULD I DO?
1) The CyberBully: Kaos Pad routed into the body and directly input from pups, Muse-like.
2) The CryBully: Bad spraypaint pink overcoat, Korg Miku pedal in body WITH A PITCH SHIFTER-4 octaves LOWER. "IT's MA'AM !!"
3) ???? MAKE A SUGGESTION

I need a symbol/avatar for #1 & #2. Not too edgy (no friendship windmills), but something that connotes 'bullying' in the context of #1-the internet or #2- being a Twitter Troon from the Tranch.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

ANYWAY....
If I buy this bad boy (not above, but similar), WHAT SHOULD I DO?
1) The CyberBully: Kaos Pad routed into the body and directly input from pups, Muse-like.
2) The Crybully: Bad spraypaint pink overcoat, Korg Miku pedal in body WITH A PITCH SHIFTER-4 octaves LOWER. "IT's MA'AM !!"
3) ???? MAKE A SUGGESTION

I need a symbol/avatar for #1 & #2. Not too edgy (no friendship windmills), but something that connotes 'bullying' in the context of #1-the internet or #2- being a Twitter Troon from the Tranch.

1.

2.

 

[Orange Rhymer]

In case you were wondering: "wtf is a Miku pedal?"

My GF saw this thread and told me "QUIT FUCKING AROUND, YOU BETTER GET THAT JOB NEXT WEEK!".
My days are numbered....

 

[Billy_Sama]

In case you were wondering: "wtf is a Miku pedal?"

My GF saw this thread and told me "QUIT FUCKING AROUND, YOU BETTER GET THAT JOB NEXT WEEK!".
My days are numbered....

Its goofy but too much to warrant on getting like the Pussy Melter or that Klon. Surprised Korg didn't remake the thing though.

 

[Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX]

Image tax: The Epiphone 'Bully'. Part of the failed 'E-Series' of 2001: The Bully, Basher, Pierced SG, and Extreme SG.
A sophomoric group of modified standard models that included radical body changes, electronics, or both. All priced at a beginner level, with construction and craftsmanship to match.
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The Bully came in 3 colors: Just Black, Bruise Purple, and Blood Red. Personally, I like the theme. Kinda like 'Bullies are cool', instead of CY horseshit. Actually today, we have the worst and most prevalent bullying. CY bullies dress like the other sex, and bully you by crying and shrieking while calling you a nahtzee. Then you get cancelled.

ANYWAY....
If I buy this bad boy (not above, but similar), WHAT SHOULD I DO?
1) The CyberBully: Kaos Pad routed into the body and directly input from pups, Muse-like.
2) The CryBully: Bad spraypaint pink overcoat, Korg Miku pedal in body WITH A PITCH SHIFTER-4 octaves LOWER. "IT's MA'AM !!"
3) ???? MAKE A SUGGESTION

I need a symbol/avatar for #1 & #2. Not too edgy (no friendship windmills), but something that connotes 'bullying' in the context of #1-the internet or #2- being a Twitter Troon from the Tranch.

Headstock looks like a Collings "Haircut". I'm not the one to buy a guitar for the headstock, but I would spend over 4k on a collings just for the headstock (just need to find that other $3999.25).