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For an affordable Gibson style guitar just get an Epiphone. Epiphone makes tons of variations of Les Pauls and SGs at good prices if those are more your style.
This is good advice. I'd only add that Les Paul studios are also on the more affordable side and sound exactly like their more expensive alternatives. They save a lot of money by not having any body/neck binding, AAA/AAAA tops or headstock inlays. (Just be careful not to knock it around or you'll find out what binding is for pretty quick.)

They're between $1000-$1400 new, but I think it's worth it. I have a friend with a 2020 LP studio and it's a screamer. They even have the modern weight relief chambering so they're only about 8 lbs, which is nice as well.
 
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I’m definitely having issues with my strat, my hands are really small, like to the point my wedding band is literally the smallest men’s size a steel ring comes in. I’m considering switching to something else to make learning easier. Any suggestions?

I‘ll check out a Mustang, I just don’t like Gibson body styles much, so Epiphone isn’t something I’m too into, although the Casino is fairly appealing.
Makes sense. I used to play an ESP/LTD EC-1000 my parents got me for my eighteenth birthday. Still a great guitar but there are some issues with the electronics. Regardless, I’m more into the Fender offsets as well. Just my preference.

This is good advice. I'd only add that Les Paul studios are also on the more affordable side and sound exactly like their more expensive alternatives. They save a lot of money by not having any body/neck binding, AAA/AAAA tops or headstock inlays. (Just be careful not to knock it around or you'll find out what binding is for pretty quick.)

They're between $1000-$1400 new, but I think it's worth it. I have a friend with a 2020 LP studio and it's a screamer. They even have the modern weight relief chambering so they're only about 8 lbs, which is nice as well.
I have no doubt that the studios are fine guitars but without the binding Les Pauls always look a bit off to me.

The main reason I suggested Epiphone is because not everyone has the money to get a Gibson. That and he said he wanted to learn on it, so I assumed he was starting out or picking it back up for the first time in a while. As a rule of thumb I never think someone should spend over $500 on a guitar until they’re absolutely certain they’ve caught the addiction.
 

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As a rule of thumb I never think someone should spend over $500 on a guitar until they’re absolutely certain they’ve caught the addiction.
I get that. But different people have different situations going on. $500 isn't very much at all to some people and I never like to assume that someone should spend less than that when considering options. I'm of the mind that you're more likely to 'catch the addiction' if your first guitar sounds as good as it can. I've played Epiphones. They're nice for sure. But most of them are not on the same level as Gibsons. Anyway, dude says he doesn't like the Gibson single-cut style so none of this matters.
 
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I get that. But different people have different situations going on. $500 isn't very much at all to some people and I never like to assume that someone should spend less than that when considering options. I'm of the mind that you're more likely to 'catch the addiction' if your first guitar sounds as good as it can. I've played Epiphones. They're nice for sure. But most of them are not on the same level as Gibsons. Anyway, dude says he doesn't like the Gibson single-cut style so none of this matters.
The only Gibsons that made me want them over an Epiphone were the customs, but those are way out of my league price-wise.

My Reason for the $500 limit when starting is because there’s some amazing guitars for less than that: look no further than Squier’s Classic Vibe line.
 

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The main reason I suggested Epiphone is because not everyone has the money to get a Gibson. That and he said he wanted to learn on it, so I assumed he was starting out or picking it back up for the first time in a while. As a rule of thumb I never think someone should spend over $500 on a guitar until they’re absolutely certain they’ve caught the addiction.
That sounds reasonable. I never really "got into" playing guitar so I don't have buyers' remorse when it comes to paying for something I don't use. (On a contrary note, when it comes to boxing, you could not pay me to wear gloves cheaper than $80. The damage to the knuckles and wrists is not worth it).

As a bit of a tangent, electric guitars lost their appeal to as I went further into my adulthood. Acoustic just sounds better.
 

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That sounds reasonable. I never really "got into" playing guitar so I don't have buyers' remorse when it comes to paying for something I don't use. (On a contrary note, when it comes to boxing, you could not pay me to wear gloves cheaper than $80. The damage to the knuckles and wrists is not worth it).

As a bit of a tangent, electric guitars lost their appeal to as I went further into my adulthood. Acoustic just sounds better.
Avoiding buyer’s remorse is the main reason I’ve been saying to avoid a guitar over $500 for your first one. There’s tons of guitars that are worth their weight in gold less than that imo.

I’ve been an electric guy my whole life but I do like a good acoustic. I mostly play my electric, but it’s good to have both in my opinion. They each have their own sound and applications.
 

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Squier Bullet Mustang might be worth a look; Short scale, offset body, twin humbuckers (not sure if they can be wired for a coil tap, tbh). Failing that
Avoiding buyer’s remorse is the main reason I’ve been saying to avoid a guitar over $500 for your first one. There’s tons of guitars that are worth their weight in gold less than that imo.

I’ve been an electric guy my whole life but I do like a good acoustic. I mostly play my electric, but it’s good to have both in my opinion. They each have their own sound and applications.
At the sub-$500* price point, Vintage guitars are well worth a look: https://vintageguitarsus.com/ I've owned and gigged a few and never had any issues whatsoever.

* disclaimer: They're under that price point in the UK, I can't imagine they'd be significantly more expensive in the States.

500 is a sensible limit, by the time you get to that price point, there's very very few iffy guitars, anything around 300 or better should be good, really.
 
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At the sub-$500* price point, Vintage guitars are well worth a look: https://vintageguitarsus.com/ I've owned and gigged a few and never had any issues whatsoever.

* disclaimer: They're under that price point in the UK, I can't imagine they'd be significantly more expensive in the States.

500 is a sensible limit, by the time you get to that price point, there's very very few iffy guitars, anything around 300 or better should be good, really.
Yeah. Between $300 and $500 is a good place for beginners. Look no further than the Squier Vintage Modified and Classic Vibe lines for some of the best bang for your buck guitars I've played. I'm not crazy about signature models but the J Mascis Jazzmaster really surprised me with how great it felt when I played it.

Don't forget to also check the used market. The used market might not be where I got most of my guitars, but it's certainly where most of my pedal collection comes from. I've got some rare items on there that I managed to get for absolute steals.

As for affordable vintage, Reverb has a section for vintage stuff under the $600 price point. It's usually cool funky vintage stuff like Teisco and whatnot. Not sure I'd start with that, but it's certainly a way to get into vintage guitars.

EDIT: I'm dumb, you meant the brand Vintage. I have a friend who has one of the Les Paul variety and he's spoken well of it if I remember correctly.
 
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Yeah. Between $300 and $500 is a good place for beginners. Look no further than the Squier Vintage Modified and Classic Vibe lines for some of the best bang for your buck guitars I've played. I'm not crazy about signature models but the J Mascis Jazzmaster really surprised me with how great it felt when I played it.

Don't forget to also check the used market. The used market might not be where I got most of my guitars, but it's certainly where most of my pedal collection comes from. I've got some rare items on there that I managed to get for absolute steals.

As for affordable vintage, Reverb has a section for vintage stuff under the $600 price point. It's usually cool funky vintage stuff like Teisco and whatnot. Not sure I'd start with that, but it's certainly a way to get into vintage guitars.

EDIT: I'm dumb, you meant the brand Vintage. I have a friend who has one of the Les Paul variety and he's spoken well of it if I remember correctly.
My bad, I honestly thought I'd specified the brand rather than the description. What a dingus. Sorry about that! Good call on second hand guitars, I hadn't though to mention that. Your money certainly goes a lot farther and they don't depreciate as horribly as a lot of consumer goods.
 
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I like the Vintage brand Les Pauls, a good value for the price. If you are still lucky or scour the stores or internet a Japanese copy like Burny or Edwards are great. I love those heavy Japanese Neck throughs from the 70s and 80s with the humbuckers and tone options, harder to find now for a steal.
 

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My bad, I honestly thought I'd specified the brand rather than the description. What a dingus. Sorry about that! Good call on second hand guitars, I hadn't though to mention that. Your money certainly goes a lot farther and they don't depreciate as horribly as a lot of consumer goods.
I got my Strat and a gig bag for $50 second hand from some spoiled kid who got tired of trying to learn how to play!
 

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I got my Strat and a gig bag for $50 second hand from some spoiled kid who got tired of trying to learn how to play!
Nice! Hands down the best bargain I ever got was a Tokai tele from the late 70s that I bought with an "electrical fault" for £10 at a car boot sale in 2008. One resoldered jack connector later and :achievement:
 

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There was a local shop selling a DOD FX86 Death Metal with the original box and paperwork for $45. I picked it up and now they go for like $150 on average. Pedal collecting is crazy with how the market undulates, man.
I still have one of those somewhere, sans box and papers, also a first-run "Grunge" from the same time period, I believe. Up until very recently, I still had a 1st gen Whammy, too... That thing was amazing at the time.

Damn, that’s a score and a half!
Yeah, they had zero idea what they had, there was no decal on the headstock and it was only because I recognised the hardware that I thought it might be a Tok and pulled the trigger. It's battered to shit and that 3 saddle bridge is just a bitch to intonate but it remains my second favourite plank, overall.
 

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I still have one of those somewhere, sans box and papers, also a first-run "Grunge" from the same time period, I believe. Up until very recently, I still had a 1st gen Whammy, too... That thing was amazing at the time.
I'm a pedal collector who's a big fan of DOD. My favorite pedal is my 1978 grey box DOD 250.

Speaking of pedals rising in price for no reason:
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This should not be going for this much and the fact that this dude is either dumb enough to say the video is comparing the original to the later FX69B variation (it's comparing the original to the Digitech version) or false advertising really gets under my skin. He also doesn't seem to realize that when Kurt Cobain had it on his board he never used it and had it there as a joke. They sold 8,000 of these a month back when it came out, they aren’t rare. The battery covers, boxes, and manuals, sure, but not the pedal itself. If you want to piss me off, this is how you do it. The dude's either an opportunistic fool or a conman spreading false information to sell this thing for far more than it's actually worth.
 
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I'm a pedal collector who's a big fan of DOD. My favorite pedal is my 1978 grey box DOD 250.
That's the Overdrive Preamp, isn't it? Great pedal.

Speaking of pedals rising in price for no reason:
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This should not be going for this much and the fact that this dude is either dumb enough to say the video is comparing the original to the later FX69B variation (it's comparing the original to the Digitech version) or false advertising really gets under my skin. He also doesn't seem to realize that when Kurt Cobain had it on his board he never used it and had it there as a joke. They sold 8,000 of these a month back when it came out, they aren’t rare. The battery covers, boxes, and manuals, sure, but not the pedal itself. If you want to piss me off, this is how you do it. The dude's either an opportunistic fool or a conman spreading false information to sell this thing for far more than it's actually worth.
Your rant is absolutely spot on; that dude is an assclown and his ad deserves fucking zero traction. Don't get me started on pedal prices. I had a Klon Centaur that I got in a trade in about '95 or so and it was stolen 2 years ago when I was burgled. 5 minutes shopping for a replacement was enough to nearly give me an aneurysm. Bought a Wampler Tumnus in the end and it's close enough that I don't lose any sleep over the purchase.
 

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That's the Overdrive Preamp, isn't it? Great pedal.
Yeah. People are asking way too much for that shit as well. I heard people comparing it to the Klon to justify them selling it for that much but they're nothing alike. The DOD 250 is far from transparent and that's why I love it. I like what it does to my tone the same way tube screamer users love what those do to their tone.

Your rant is absolutely spot on; that dude is an assclown and his ad deserves fucking zero traction. Don't get me started on pedal prices. I had a Klon Centaur that I got in a trade in about '95 or so and it was stolen 2 years ago when I was burgled. 5 minutes shopping for a replacement was enough to nearly give me an aneurysm. Bought a Wampler Tumnus in the end and it's close enough that I don't lose any sleep over the purchase.
See, the Klon is different. I think it's overhyped and overpriced, but I understand why: it's extremely rare, the story behind it is really inspiring, and the charge pump it used to get 18 volt headroom from a 9 volt power supply was revolutionary. My issue with the Klon is that people overhype it then use it as a clean boost after paying all that money. That, and people calling it transparent when it's still just a well-improved tube screamer. It still has a midrange hump, but it's not cutting the low end as much and the midrange is at a different frequency. It also uses hard clipping instead of soft clipping, which differentiates itself from the tube screamer, which is soft clipping. The Klon is an amazing pedal with amazing history, but if you want a Klon just get a KTR. It's made by the same guy, it's the same exact circuit, and it's actually at an obtainable price. It's not cheap at $325, but it's a handmade pedal that lives up to the original definition of boutique and you get what you pay for, given it's the real thing and not a klone. The only reason to get an original Klon is if you're a collector like me, but I admire anyone with the disposable income to afford one.

TL;DR: the Klon actually has a reason for being exceedingly pricey, unlike the FX69. Plenty of DOD pedals are worth that much, but that isn't one of them.

I actually got to hold a Klon, but not play it. The dude who owns the store often won't let you play stuff that's particularly expensive unless you're considering buying.
 

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Yeah. People are asking way too much for that shit as well. I heard people comparing it to the Klon to justify them selling it for that much but they're nothing alike. The DOD 250 is far from transparent and that's why I love it. I like what it does to my tone the same way tube screamer users love what those do to their tone.


See, the Klon is different. I think it's overhyped and overpriced, but I understand why: it's extremely rare, the story behind it is really inspiring, and the charge pump it used to get 18 volt headroom from a 9 volt power supply was revolutionary. My issue with the Klon is that people overhype it then use it as a clean boost after paying all that money. That, and people calling it transparent when it's still just a well-improved tube screamer. It still has a midrange hump, but it's not cutting the low end as much and the midrange is at a different frequency. It also uses hard clipping instead of soft clipping, which differentiates itself from the tube screamer, which is soft clipping. The Klon is an amazing pedal with amazing history, but if you want a Klon just get a KTR. It's made by the same guy, it's the same exact circuit, and it's actually at an obtainable price. It's not cheap at $325, but it's a handmade pedal that lives up to the original definition of boutique and you get what you pay for, given it's the real thing and not a klone. The only reason to get an original Klon is if you're a collector like me, but I admire anyone with the disposable income to afford one.

TL;DR: the Klon actually has a reason for being exceedingly pricey, unlike the FX69. Plenty of DOD pedals are worth that much, but that isn't one of them.

I actually got to hold a Klon, but not play it. The dude who owns the store often won't let you play stuff that's particularly expensive unless you're considering buying.
Finally, someone who speaks a language I understand...😄

I do miss the Klon but as I said, the Tumnus is an adequate replacement, I did consider the KTR but when I hoicked my pedal board to the shop and tried them both in situ, the Wampler just seemed to sit nicer with the other drives. I tended to use the Klon as a colouring boost for leads mixed with my TS-808 and the Horizon Devices Precision Drive. Between the three of them, some judicious amp tweaking and the volume pot(s), I found I could get every flavour of filth I needed.

I used a Joyo PXL Pro to switch them (and my other pedals) in and out in whatever combos I needed, that thing saved me so much tap dancing, between amp channel control, tuner activation and obviously, pedal switching/pairing, I can't recommend them enough, for the money.
 
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