Guy gets banned from PSN for "hate speech", loses access to all of his digital games - In other words, always go physical.

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PS4 GAMER LOSES ACCESS TO DIGITAL GAMES FOR VIOLATING SONY’S “HATE SPEECH” POLICY
Posted on April 20, 2019, 8:32 pm By Billy D
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One of the dangers of an all-digital future is that gamers have no access rights to their library. What does that mean? It means that for gamers who still have access to discs or cartridges, they can still play games offline even if their online account gets penalized. For gamers who purchased their games digitally, it means that the platform holders can dictate access to your games by enabling or disabling the licenses as they see fit. This is what happened to one gamer who lost access to his PS4 games for a week for violating PlayStation’s “hate speech” policy.
Since he requested anonymity, we’ll call him “Rob” for now. So Rob reached out to One Angry Gamer, incensed that he had been temporarily suspended from accessing the PlayStation Network and, much to his dismay, his PS4 gaming library after violating the “hate speech” policy on April 19th, 2019.
Rob explained via e-mail…
“My account was temp banned for one week for calling people faggots and niggers. This includes the temp revoking of the licenses for ALL digital downloads in my library, however a game on a disc still works just fine. You might not agree with my actions since I know you’re not a racist, but I am and I don’t care. [It’s] fun to talk shit online and most people are racist anyway, plus those terms are thrown around like hotcakes, so who gives a shit. As I know you know, speech restrictions are a slippery slope and tend to go beyond the initial reasons for their installment.”
Rob shared the e-mail that Sony sent him for violating the code of conduct, which you can view below.
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The relevant part of the message reads…
This message is to inform you that your account has been observed violating the PlayStation Network’s Terms of Service.

[…]

“Reason: Hate speech or other hateful content, including racism, sexism, xenophobia, or hate directed at religious beliefs, cultural identity, gender identity, or sexual orientation.

“Location: Community Post”
Rob fears that what may start with restrictions on “hate speech” may expand into restrictions on “speech” in general; preventing people from talking about certain current events, politics, etc. We’ve seen how Sony had no qualms about extending the long arm of censorship to innocuous things like fan-service and cleavage via their PS4 censorship policies, and so it’s not hard to see why people might fear that the rules could be expanded in the future regarding their policies on “hate speech”.
For now, though, Rob had access to his digital games temporarily restricted. So when he attempted to play said games he was greeted with the following message.
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The error prevents him from accessing the digital games in the library until the suspension is up. He also shared a screenshot of his game library, where his digital titles have locks on them during the suspension.
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Rob didn’t take the suspension notice lying down, though. He explained that he fired back at them with a snarky response that may have netted him a permanent ban, writing…
“[…] it might be possible I’ve been perm banned now because I responded to Sony’s email with ‘no worries! I’ve already decided not to buy a ps5 ? White Pride Worldwide,’ so their mods might be getting salty hahaha. that’s purely speculation though, […]

“To further clarify the reasons for the ban hammer, I already know why as I stated in my previous email so it’s not a surprise to me that I got banned. talking about forced ‘migration’ into the West, directing other PSN users to various chans and White Nationalist content, and calling other players niggers and faggots, etc.”
Sony lays it out rather clearly over on the PlayStation Code of Conduct page that using any kind of offensive or inflammatory language will likely result in a suspension or a ban.
However, what the page fails to clarify is that you will also lose access to playing digital games. In fact, it doesn’t say anything about game restrictions. Regarding account suspensions it simply states…
“Account suspension means that you cannot use your account to access PlayStation Network for a set amount of time. A ban means that you will not be able to use your account to access PlayStation Network at any point in the future.

“Other users with their own local accounts on the same system can use their account as normal.

”If an account has been permanently banned, we will not refund you for any unused period of subscriptions or any unused wallet funds in line with the SEN Terms of Service.”
Having community guidelines and rules is standard fare. Enforcing those rules for those who participate in the community is common practice. However, barring people from accessing their games for violating those community guidelines is basically revoking their access to a product they paid for.
While most Left-wing collectivists will say that they’re glad someone who is “racist” or “sexist” or “transphobic” or a “bigot” was banned from PSN for violating the terms of service, restricting that person from accessing their games crosses over into violating their consumer rights. That’s not to mention that barring someone from playing a game they paid for is entirely unlikely to change their personal views. In fact, they’re probably just going to become more entrenched in those beliefs and express those views even more vehemently elsewhere.
In the case of Rob, he was completely uninhibited in the way he tackled various subject matter in the PlayStation community. Being temporarily suspended from PSN for violating the rules is one thing, but preventing someone from accessing their games is a step too far.
And let’s not forget that this isn’t the first time that Sony has done this. Previously Sony had to apologize to a user for restricting his access to his digital library because they were racist and didn’t understand Mexican culture. They also banned a user for having a PSN ID that was fine back in 2012 but is now considered politically incorrect, restricting his access to his digital library in the process. This seems to be a growing trend with some companies, taking it upon themselves to not only police their own online communities but also trying to enforce their moral standards on their users by policing access to gamers’ digital libraries.

As if Sony's censorship of Japanese games wasn't bad enough, now if you offend the Californians at Sony, you'll lose all of your digital games. Honestly this serves more as an argument against digital-only shit than anything else, though it's yet another thing to shit on Sony for, especially since, as the article describes in the last paragraph, this isn't the first time they've done this.
 

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Sony US is making the same mistakes as Sony Japan did back when the PS3 was launching. They're getting too grabby with their developers, the quality of their first party games is collapsing without any viable competition and their online services are increasingly draconian. Except instead of this being done by Japanese executives so honor bound to their company that they're willing to sudoku themselves if they ever fuck up, we're looking at batshit Silicon Valley hipsters doing it on their behalf. The real question to take away from this is how much longer will Sony Japan let the filthy gaijin piss away their lead with stunts like this before they gut and restructure them?
 

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This could get kinda thorny.
A good rule of thumb is that online services are more or less free to do whatever the hell they please until money changes hands.
Sony is likely in the clear, but there could be a really interesting lawsuit from this, and it makes an interesting case with digital content. If he paid for access to his games, there's an argument to be made that removing that access for this is an overreach.
Does Sony have the right to unexist all of this bros purchases because he's a cunt? I have no idea.
This is, however, why I buy physical copies.
 

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1: How did Sony know? Is it just the number of reports that triggered them banning the guy or are they listening in?

2: This creates an interesting dilemma. Who has never shittalked in an online game? Can you imagine you lose your temper, call a guy a faggot for whatever reasons you may have, and boom. You're gone. No game for you. Would consumers stand for this? Would this inspire a revolution and more people become PC gamers and are free to say Nigger Faggot whenever they want to?

Sony US is making the same mistakes as Sony Japan did back when the PS3 was launching. They're getting too grabby with their developers, the quality of their first party games is collapsing without any viable competition and their online services are increasingly draconian. Except instead of this being done by Japanese executives so honor bound to their company that they're willing to sudoku themselves if they ever fuck up, we're looking at batshit Silicon Valley hipsters doing it on their behalf. The real question to take away from this is how much longer will Sony Japan let the filthy gaijin piss away their lead with stunts like this before they gut and restructure them?


The big theory is that Sony is enforcing censorship to appease the Chinese censors and expand into the Chinese market.
 

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and thats why you keep the shitposting to anonymous sites and burner accounts, not official stuff that is tied to your personal and financial information

That's what you think. I've been spamming my credit union's forum's for the past 3 years calling anyone asking for investment advice a Jew!

...Wait. Why is my retirement account in the negative...
 

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1: How did Sony know? Is it just the number of reports that triggered them banning the guy or are they listening in?

2: This creates an interesting dilemma. Who has never shittalked in an online game? Can you imagine you lose your temper, call a guy a faggot for whatever reasons you may have, and boom. You're gone. No game for you. Would consumers stand for this? Would this inspire a revolution and more people become PC gamers and are free to say Nigger Faggot whenever they want to?




The big theory is that Sony is enforcing censorship to appease the Chinese censors and expand into the Chinese market.
I thought the theory was they got cucked when they got a HQ in America?
 

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Let's be honest. Digital games were a mistake when that delivery method went mainstream back then.
Sadly, it's the only way to get independent games nowadays.
It's not them being digital that was the mistake, you can just download the installer package and keep it to yourself. It's the digital distribution services that account for an online DRM that was the mistake.
 

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man... be a real shame if America had a massive law, 9/10ths of which is about possession

but i'm sure sony can just say japanese law, suck dick, since they're headquartered there, right?..... right?
This could get kinda thorny.
A good rule of thumb is that online services are more or less free to do whatever the hell they please until money changes hands.
Sony is likely in the clear, but there could be a really interesting lawsuit from this, and it makes an interesting case with digital content. If he paid for access to his games, there's an argument to be made that removing that access for this is an overreach.
Does Sony have the right to unexist all of this bros purchases because he's a cunt? I have no idea.
This is, however, why I buy physical copies.
Incorrect. He paid for a licence. Courts have ruled that you are buying the licence to play the game even if you buy it in stores which is bullshit but thats the state of the law today.

@AnOminous @RodgerDodger Where things might get hairy for Sony is that theres a law that starts with a C i forget but i think its a last name. This law states that you cant offer incentives to buy a license or something. I know that it was used against Microsoft when they sued someone for ebaying a bunch of copies of Windows discs. They first challenged them that the software wasnt licenced but when the court ruled that it was then they sued them for offering incentives. Microsoft settled with them after that.
 

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There've been incidents in the past where people got perma'd for chargebacks or refunds on their purchases so the general rule of thumb is if you're gonna be spending a ton on PSN you shouldn't do anything that risks Sony fucking you (and thus all the items you've "purchased") over. The days of the late 2000 early 10s XBL anymore where you could call people whatever you wanted in game or DMs and every other person in your inbox was threatening to kill you are long gone. With how easy it is to share and upload clips nowadays being a fuckhead runs the risk of winding up in some Polygay or Kuntaku article because nothing generates clicks for them more than "internet harassment" and the resulting fallout thereafter.

The problem with this idiot is that he's not just calling people mean names but is a full-on Stormtard.

"talking about forced ‘migration’ into the West, directing other PSN users to various chans and White Nationalist content "

You gotta be a massive fucking retard if you're doing this kind of shit on anything other than a sockpuppet account.
 

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Wait till you misgender someone or get on their shit list, say goodbye to your hundreds, if not thousands of neetbux.

Steam has yet to do anything remotely like this. Even VAC bans only apply to the game in question, not entire game libraries. People troll the forums all the time calling people all kinds of shit and usually just get banned temporarily no matter what they do or how often.
 

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I'm torn. I don't think Sony should ban someone based on what's essentially a private matter. On the other hand, Rob sounds like an obnoxious nigger faggot, I would ban him out of spite. /shitpost