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Just as I was about to give up my DC Universe subscription they release something entertaining. Gory, actually funny and the art style isn't so bad it puts me off. My chief problem with it is a personal one - which is that I have been hit over the head with "strong, independent woman fighting the patriarchy" media with an agenda so much over the last few years that I have to consciously remind myself that a woman escaping an abusive relationship IS a positive message. Sad to say but that's the sort of reaction years of "men are evil" propaganda tends to foster in its victims. SJW-ism creates such tribalism it's hard for anyone to remember that the rationales they use are actually real. And few pop-culture figures have been appropriated by SJWs the way Harley Quinn has. From her original victim-villain status in the Batman: The Animated Series, she was claimed by feminists as Victim Supreme who had licence to do anything and everything (up to and including killing babies with exploding dolls in one comic) whilst still retaining her moral pedestal above us all. Seriously - I can't think of anyone who has been more of a fantasy outlet for unpleasant people who think brutalising people is fine so long as you act kooky, have been abused and are "reclaiming your power". So the new Harley Quinn series has a serious obstacle to overcome.

But I think the writers might actually be aware of this because they don't so far seem to be making Harley a "good guy". They might also be lampshading this stuff because we have a villain delivering the line: "My fellow White males, let us get back to fucking the poor!" I honestly can't tell yet whether that is unironic or self-satire. But I'm leaning towards the latter because this show is actually funny and SJW-produced media almost never is. Also, it allows actually positive and negative people within a classification whereas SJW media pretty much always works solely around your group identity. I.e. white males bad, queer people good, etc. Whereas here you have Joker an awful person, Riddler a (very loosely) decent person - at least to his friends and both "white males".

Almost everything in this is over-the-top and fun. Commissioner Gordon is a nervous wreck which makes sense for the police chief of Gotham. The Riddler a call back to the original sixties Batman TV show where he was actually funny and wild. And I like that they've actually made him clever again. He's my favourite Batman villain when done right but he so seldom is portrayed as actually a genius. There are too many broken bones (the protruding through your skin kind), flying organs and deaths to count. It's liberal with the cursing. They've taken possibly the most annoying character in current pop-culture and made her entertaining by simply not putting her on a moral pedestal whilst she does awful things.

TL;DR: I enjoyed it. It's funny. Whether I continue to enjoy it will depend if it goes the Margot Robbie / recent comics route of Victim = Moral Superiority route or not. And whether "My fellow White males..." turns out to be satire or not.

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Stab You in the Back

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I don't like what they've done to Commissioner Gordon, and Alan Tudyk is no Mark Hamill, but the show's okay so far. I'm glad they made Harley's journey a person one, rather than directing it at 'all men' or 'the patriarchy.' I'm also relieved that they made Ivy a friend instead of a lover*. Hopefully they continue to avoid most of the bullshit that's been plaguing portrayals of Harley Quinn for the last decade.


*although they might be setting up Ivy as Joker 2.0 since she seems to be just as controlling and abusive towards Harley as the Joker
 

Your Weird Fetish

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Looks ok actually. my favorite part is that they're using the version of Bane from the "Plane Scene" canon instead of the ridiculous luchadore or whatever he was in the original comics.
 
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Kaiserin
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Trailer looked painfully unfunny
This, not interested in it based off of the trailer.

Looks ok actually. my favorite part is that they're using the version of Bane from the "Plane Scene" canon instead of the ridiculous luchadore or whatever he was in the original comics.
It's worth noting that every time Bane showed up in Batman TAS, he got his ass handed to him. How can you not like this clip where he literally gets beaten up by Superman (in Batman's costume, it's a long story)

 

sasazuka

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If any Canadians are interested in watching Harley Quinn (well, through official means), it premieres on Adult Swim Canada tonight at 10pm (and will presumably re-air multiple times over the next week, probably even at least once more overnight tonight).
 
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Stab You in the Back

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The verdict is in: Its good.

What the series does right:
-It avoids most of the tropes of modern Harley Quinn characterizations. Harley and Ivy are portrayed as roommates rather than lovers. In fact, Ivy has a heterosexual relationship in the show (GAY ERASURE!). In one episode, Harley admits that the Joker didn't push her into a vat of chemicals (ie she's not the victim of an abusive boyfriend, but rather, a knowing accomplice). Harley is not a lol random character, but is actively pursuing a goal based on a relateable human motivation.
-Most of the jokes land. Not all of them, but the majority.
-Kaley Cuoco is good as Harley. No, she's not Arleen Sorkin, but at least she's not doing a god-awful impression of Arleen like Margot Robbie.
-There are a lot of references to obscure DC characters, and they're usually voiced by A-list talent (Tony Hale is virtually unrecognizable as Dr. Psycho).

What the series does wrong:
-Alan Tudyk is terrible as Clayface and the Joker. He's the biggest drag on the show.
-Ron Funches is playing an effeminate version of King Shark. Funches is terrible and his King Shark feels like a character from a bad network sitcom.
 

sasazuka

Standing in the school hallway.
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Eh, I kind of like Clayface and his obsessing about his various personas even if I recognize that it's essentially the exact same running gag as Roger the Alien's personas on American Dad.

I think my favourite episode was the one where Commissioner Gordon bonded with mini Clayface while an off-brand soundalike instrumental version of "You're My Best Friend" by Queen played in the background.
 

Summer Sommerland

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Cartoons are for children.

Get a job.
And how do you explain anime (I mean the ORIGINAL ANIME, UNCUT AND UNFILTERED) series like:

Death Note
Dragon Ball Z and the rest of the Dragon Ball universe
Parts of Sailor Moon/Sailor Stars
Vampire Knight,

Just to name a few...

1. Dragon Ball Z: Fighting scenes to the point of blowing people up and seeing blood splattering everywhere among other bodily fluids and organs...and let us not forget decapitation!! (Yes, very child-friendly indeed...)

2. Sailor Moon: The Sailor Scouts are crucified during the fight with Queen Beryl, Sailor Cibi Moon is given a gun (albeit a fake one) and points it at Usagi's head, The Witches 5 steal hearts while the Dark Moon Trio/Amazoness Quartet/Queen Nehelenia steal dreams by stealing innocent people's dream mirrors much in the way you would rip people's lives hearts right out of their chests,
Hotaru/Sailor Saturn eats hearts, Prince Endymion very nearly kills Princess Serenity when he's placed under Queen Beryl's spell and let us not forget the ever popular storylines:

Michiru (Sailor Neptune) and Amara (Sailor Uranus) being lesbians (or in the Americanized version "close kissing cousins).

And the ever controversial:

Prince Demando kidnapping Usagi/Sailor Moon/Princess Serenity/Neo Queen Serenity and very nearly RAPING her!!!

(Yes, yes, a series for children indeed...)

3. Sailor Stars: Sailors Star Fighter, Star Maker, and the third (can't remember his/her name...so sorry..) changing from guys to girls and Sailor Moon being nude for most (if not all...) of the last episode... 'nuff said there.

Then there's borderline Hentai (Porn Cartoons for those who are non-anime speakers) such as:

1. Steel Angel Kurumi
2. Chobits
3. A LOT of parts of the Tenchi Muyo universe

And the list goes on.

Oh yes, ALL cartoons are meant for children...hmmm...

Oh and there ARE a LOT of dark and gritty American cartoons as well...all you need do is look online and you'll find them.
 

Overly Serious

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The verdict is in: Its good.

What the series does right:
-It avoids most of the tropes of modern Harley Quinn characterizations. Harley and Ivy are portrayed as roommates rather than lovers. In fact, Ivy has a heterosexual relationship in the show (GAY ERASURE!). In one episode, Harley admits that the Joker didn't push her into a vat of chemicals (ie she's not the victim of an abusive boyfriend, but rather, a knowing accomplice). Harley is not a lol random character, but is actively pursuing a goal based on a relateable human motivation.
-Most of the jokes land. Not all of them, but the majority.
-Kaley Cuoco is good as Harley. No, she's not Arleen Sorkin, but at least she's not doing a god-awful impression of Arleen like Margot Robbie.
-There are a lot of references to obscure DC characters, and they're usually voiced by A-list talent (Tony Hale is virtually unrecognizable as Dr. Psycho).

What the series does wrong:
-Alan Tudyk is terrible as Clayface and the Joker. He's the biggest drag on the show.
-Ron Funches is playing an effeminate version of King Shark. Funches is terrible and his King Shark feels like a character from a bad network sitcom.
I was going to come back to this thread after watching Friday's episode but you've said a lot of stuff I would have. I honestly wasn't sure if this were truly woke or if it were actually self-aware. That was the verdict I was originally saying was out. On the one hand you had lines like "You're a strong, independent woman, Harley" and plot lines heavily about Joker being a controlling, belittling partner. On the other hand it was actually funny and Joker should be a controlling, belittling partner. I'm not actually against a narrative of an abused woman escaping from a bad relationship. That's actually a good message. I'm just wary of a simplistic and identity politics based show of Women Good, Men Fools. And that's not what it's giving me, thank the gods. Especially where Harley actually (kind of) takes responsibility for her own actions. That's a lot healthier a message in its way than what an actual SJW take on it would be where it really would all be Joker's fault and none of Harley's. And I am SO grateful that Harley isn't written as "LOL I'm so random". She's batshit, but not too batshit. More like someone with a few too little inhibitions than "roll a dice to see what I'll do" style crazy.

Going to double agree with your Pro list. Especially the last - it's not just the obscure characters but there are a lot of subtle little references in there. I sometimes watch an episode twice so I can pause it and read what's written on the bottom of a TV news report or a webpage.

I'm going to agree and disagree on Clayface. I found him really irritating at the start. But I've also grown to kind of see that as the point. All of Harley's crew are losers in one way or another. The fact that everyone else around him also finds Clayface annoying makes it work for me. I also like that he's the only one that laughs at terrible puns. King Shark is also pretty stupid I agree, but the reveal in that Robin episode really cracked me up. If they lean into that more often, I'll be fine with the character.

Poison Ivy is great and I also love that they are housemates not lovers in this. It's honestly a better relationship and we also wouldn't have Ivy's romance sub-plot without it. She's a great character. Doctor Psycho might be my favourite though. I love the expression on Wonder Woman's face when he calls her a cunt. :biggrin:

Finally, it also has Kite Man. (Hell yeah!) which comes straight from the comics where he somehow manages to do an entire run with nothing but that one line of dialogue. They really love their references in this show:

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MsStevieMarie

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The verdict is in: Its good.

What the series does right:
-It avoids most of the tropes of modern Harley Quinn characterizations. Harley and Ivy are portrayed as roommates rather than lovers. In fact, Ivy has a heterosexual relationship in the show (GAY ERASURE!). In one episode, Harley admits that the Joker didn't push her into a vat of chemicals (ie she's not the victim of an abusive boyfriend, but rather, a knowing accomplice). Harley is not a lol random character, but is actively pursuing a goal based on a relateable human motivation.
-Most of the jokes land. Not all of them, but the majority.
-Kaley Cuoco is good as Harley. No, she's not Arleen Sorkin, but at least she's not doing a god-awful impression of Arleen like Margot Robbie.
-There are a lot of references to obscure DC characters, and they're usually voiced by A-list talent (Tony Hale is virtually unrecognizable as Dr. Psycho).

What the series does wrong:
-Alan Tudyk is terrible as Clayface and the Joker. He's the biggest drag on the show.
-Ron Funches is playing an effeminate version of King Shark. Funches is terrible and his King Shark feels like a character from a bad network sitcom.
I was going to come back to this thread after watching Friday's episode but you've said a lot of stuff I would have. I honestly wasn't sure if this were truly woke or if it were actually self-aware. That was the verdict I was originally saying was out. On the one hand you had lines like "You're a strong, independent woman, Harley" and plot lines heavily about Joker being a controlling, belittling partner. On the other hand it was actually funny and Joker should be a controlling, belittling partner. I'm not actually against a narrative of an abused woman escaping from a bad relationship. That's actually a good message. I'm just wary of a simplistic and identity politics based show of Women Good, Men Fools. And that's not what it's giving me, thank the gods. Especially where Harley actually (kind of) takes responsibility for her own actions. That's a lot healthier a message in its way than what an actual SJW take on it would be where it really would all be Joker's fault and none of Harley's. And I am SO grateful that Harley isn't written as "LOL I'm so random". She's batshit, but not too batshit. More like someone with a few too little inhibitions than "roll a dice to see what I'll do" style crazy.

Going to double agree with your Pro list. Especially the last - it's not just the obscure characters but there are a lot of subtle little references in there. I sometimes watch an episode twice so I can pause it and read what's written on the bottom of a TV news report or a webpage.

I'm going to agree and disagree on Clayface. I found him really irritating at the start. But I've also grown to kind of see that as the point. All of Harley's crew are losers in one way or another. The fact that everyone else around him also finds Clayface annoying makes it work for me. I also like that he's the only one that laughs at terrible puns. King Shark is also pretty stupid I agree, but the reveal in that Robin episode really cracked me up. If they lean into that more often, I'll be fine with the character.

Poison Ivy is great and I also love that they are housemates not lovers in this. It's honestly a better relationship and we also wouldn't have Ivy's romance sub-plot without it. She's a great character. Doctor Psycho might be my favourite though. I love the expression on Wonder Woman's face when he calls her a cunt. :biggrin:

Finally, it also has Kite Man. (Hell yeah!) which comes straight from the comics where he somehow manages to do an entire run with nothing but that one line of dialogue. They really love their references in this show:

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Ok, these two reviews have me intrigued. I'm a long-time Harley fan who hates what they've been doing to her character lately but this sounds like something I'd like.
 

linchan

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The only thing I don't like about the show is Joker, I hate how he is written just as a vindictive boyfriend.
 

FernandoPooTragedy

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It reminds me of the Venture Bros a lot but as I actually totally wish we had more Venture Bros, I can't say that's a bad thing. Dr. Psycho is probably my favorite, which is a little weird because in the comics he is just so fucking detestable. He's still awful here but in a funny way. I love his and Ivy's one-liners too. Very funny show, it lets Harley be a villain and doesn't try to moralize. And despite being cartoonish and absurd it's got some humanity to it. So yeah overall very good.
 
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