Has The Concept Of Feminity Changed? - I just don't understand

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Mariposa Electrique

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When autogynephiles say, "I have the mind and soul of a woman" I just don't understand it. When traps say, "I want to be a woman, it seems odd, but I can understand it a bit better because it seems like the ramifications of both inept biology and a society that is not well equipped to deal with men who are too effeminate. What I don't understand is how people can encourage autogyenphiles who are not femine and cheer on people like Blair White who seem to be gay men with tits. Don't get me wrong, there are some trannies who can do a good job at capturing the feminine principle, but most (M2F) both autogynephile and trap just don't read as real women.
When I take myself out of the situation and think, "woman", I think of your average woman who could be straight, gay, black, white, whore, non-whore, but I don't Blair White or Riley J. Dennis.
Autogynophiles are just too masculine in comportment while traps seem like gay men.
Even butch lesbians (non-bull dyke) still have some remnants of true feminity.
The common link that (most not all) autogynephiles and fem-trans have is that they all believe that feminity is about looking like an oversexualized whore who exaggerates hand gestures and speech. I know there are some women who may be a bit flamboyant, but trannies take it to a cartoonishly grotesque level.

I personally adhere to the definitions set forth by psychoanalyst Carl G. Jung when he describes masculine and feminine energy. He described feminine energy being passive and receptive while masculine is direct, extroverted, and penetrating. I want to reiterate that I am not talking about all transpeople, but when you really think about feminity, most M2Fs, even the ones that like men seem as if they're trying to portray feminity through the lens of masculinity
Does anyone else see this or is just me?
Why has society been driven to a point where if your male child is gay, he has to be as a gay as possible by wearing heels, putting on make-up, or stealing mummie's birth control pills? Why do people think that Blair White's effeminate portrayal of a cis female is actually feminine?

So I also want to know what other's concepts feminity are.
Also, why do you think that society has fallen under the spell of pseudo-feminine worship?
 

escapegoat

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Against my better judgement, I am going to take you up on this.

When autogynephiles say, "I have the mind and soul of a woman"

No one ever stops to think what that even actually means. WTF is the "soul" of a woman? What is a womanish mind? They're never all, "I feel naturally better at multitasking!"

It's always about a longing to feel pretty, which is to say, they want to engage in ritualistic grooming so they can be sexually desired the way that they think women experience being sexually desired.

They don't want to be any old woman, and they don't "feel" like women. They have conflated "woman" as a concept, with the stuff that makes women overtly sexy and sexual. The "woman" they want to be is a simulation of a woman. The woman in the ad. The woman in the porn. The forever 21 year old hot chick. I would argue that most noticeably narcissistic men are actually somewhere on that spectrum--they are mixing up "woman" with "image of a hot chick." Robert DiNiro did an interview once, where he was stunned to find out that Tootsie was as hot as he was getting, and he describes his hurt feels about it. This is why you get shit like Jenner talking about how the hardest part of "being a woman" is picking out dresses and stuff. This is why the old troons on Twitter talk about "mourning" the beeeeeautful hot chick they could have been, if they'd transitioned earlier. A fetish, technically, is taking your sexual energy and directing it at a non-procreative object--feet, cartoon ponies, whatever. The trappings of femininity are the object they are fetishistic about--not the actual being a woman thing.

Also, why do you think that society has fallen under the spell of pseudo-feminine worship?

Porn.

You say that these folks are basically "gay men with tits." Picture in your mind the uh... standard model porn actress. She's really made up, wearing heels, exaggeratedly interested in acting sexy, skinny, with really big fake boobs, you are never going to impregnate her, and she wants to fuck like a man--frequently, enthusiastically, with a lot of people, and as filthily as possible. Who does that sound like?
 
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I'm no actual psychologist but I've got some armchair theories on this subject. I think the subject of obsessions in people isn't as well understood as we'd like it to be.
A lot of these people seem to have an absolute obsession with femininity. Some of it may be just misguided autistic people who feel like they have to overdo it to fit in but I'm not convinced that's all of the problem.

Personally I wonder if some of these people aren't incels who got so infuriated by the fact they couldn't get any that they became absolutely obsessed with women and being "womanly". I wonder if that didn't just utterly fuck them in the head somehow, more then they probably already were anyway. Brain chemistry is weird and still a little mysterious.
 

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Why can't people just say "I enjoy womanly things." I enjoy looking and flowers does that mean I have to troon out? Of course not but a lot of trans groups keep calling me an "egg" despite how confident I am in my gender.

Why do these fucks push this life changing and costly stuff on people it won't help in any way is my question.
 

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Why can't people just say "I enjoy womanly things." I enjoy looking and flowers does that mean I have to troon out? Of course not but a lot of trans groups keep calling me an "egg" despite how confident I am in my gender.

Why do these fucks push this life changing and costly stuff on people it won't help in any way is my question.
The long and short of it is "misery loves company" I suppose. They're all ultimately miserable with the way they're living but don't actually want to admit it or take the scary leap and actually change their lives for the better. Similar to drug addicts who try to hang out with other addicts or get others addicted.
 

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Why can't people just say "I enjoy womanly things." I enjoy looking and flowers does that mean I have to troon out? Of course not but a lot of trans groups keep calling me an "egg" despite how confident I am in my gender.

Why do these fucks push this life changing and costly stuff on people it won't help in any way is my question.
because they're miserable and they want you to be miserable too

and autogynephile and autistic type transsexuals hate gay men bc you get laid and they don't
not to creep on your profile page
 

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Why can't people just say "I enjoy womanly things." I enjoy looking and flowers does that mean I have to troon out? Of course not but a lot of trans groups keep calling me an "egg" despite how confident I am in my gender.

Why do these fucks push this life changing and costly stuff on people it won't help in any way is my question.

Simple: They want their sexual deviancy and complete bullshit personal worldview normalized.

Look how many of the troons we cover are jobless failures, perpetually miserable, and anxious to blame everyone but themselves for their failures. Now look how many of them try to argue that their fuck-ups aren't at all their fault and if you filthy normies would stop shaming them, everything would be peachy.
 

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Feminity is about having sex without consequences, having kids when you can't really afford to and abortion on demand.

It's about getting blood stains where nobody ever wants to see blood stains. It's about pushing a living being out of your sex organ and shitting yourself in the process. It's about having tit pain for no discernible reason.
 

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On a similar note, I know plenty of women who wear jeans and a shirt and have short hair, but I have not seen a single tranny who dresses like this.

I have, actually. But all of these people are of an older generation of transsexuals, to whom the idea of being in a wrong gender wasn't a trendy fad, like it seems to be for most troons these days. Apart from that and the points brought up already in this thread(oversexualization, obsession and being former incels) I would like to add, that it seems that for many of these gendertrender dudes who choose to go MtF it's really just about cold-blooded opportunism. They are guys who can't or won't compete with other guys in the social world of men, and they see that women can still get a free ride through life.
 

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I've done counseling for transgendered individuals, and could speak at length on this topic. Suffice it to say that the FtMs and MtFs that are actually normal people who feel trapped in the wrong gender are pretty much invisible in society. They don't act out, they don't go online and do fetish stuff, they don't publically march or demand free money. If anything, they're embarrassed by their condition. They just want to be Normal.

I tend to think that the "real" transgendered population act much like a lot of people who have to live with debilitating conditions. Some people who were born without an arm or a leg just may just want to live their life as best they can, and they don't want pity. They don't like to bring it up, and are usually embarrassed if it is. They don't want special treatment. They just want to live. There are plenty of transgenders who are like that, but you'll never see them online. That's just for the attention whores and autists.