Oh jesus. Please tell me Angel didnt get retconned into being trans. Hes one of the only characters I've actually liked in years, apart from being really cute and endearing.
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JokahBaybee
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Agreed. I was pissed when I realized Mettaton (the David Bowie robot from Undertale) was not, in fact, just a unabashedly fabulous man, but a thinly veiled trans metaphor. Hoping it doesn't happen with angel, I've jacked off to huskerdust too many times to just eject now.
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I think @Private Pyle was talking about that trans imp that appeared in Helluva Boss episode 5.
It’s not deleted, it’s just completely blank when you go there. The website is still active.
God. Mettaton is also a perfectly fine character, I'm sick of troons. Also as TMI as that is, I do have feelings for the stupid asshole. I cant think of many other times anyone added a legitimately edgy gay character to anything. Although its amusing to think of a troon openly calling Husk a nigger.
Its confusing, because there's nothing to indicate that the Exorcists (just looked it up and found they've since been renamed since I last read up on this stuff) are angels and they're not named directly, but we do see a representation of them plus a glimpse in the pilot:
Now the exact details of who the Exorcists are is unclear. They're said to be angels, and agents of Heaven, but beyond that they could have any number of degrees of independence. They could be fallen angels doing what they think is God's work, they could be a schismatic faction of some kind within the angels, could potentially be a demon ruse (though would they be feared by even Hell's greatest warlords if they were just really powerful demons?) etc. All we know is that they carry out the job of thinning out Hell's numbers and that this is apparently mandated by Heaven.
The easiest, and therefore lamest, solution is that they are an accepted part of Heaven's hiearchy, but are just held in low regard or ignored by Heaven's population so they don't have to think about that nasty business of purging Hell all the time. I would like to think they're not going to go this route, but, well, I'm not exactly going to be surprised if they do.
The nature of the exterminations themselves we have a general idea about. Hell's population is purged just because its at capacity, which is what that rotary dial on the clock tower in the opening indicates. The higher-up demons cloister away in their own private locations, and apparently will shelter allies as well. For instance we see the TV-headed demon lord hanging out with Angel's pimp; in a supplemental tweet they say explicitly that he's waiting out the extermination there. The other demons just try to find refuge indoors anywhere they can, also as indicated by everyone emerging from buildings in the opening.
So we've got a kind of class struggle plot going on too, where the poor and non-influential demons who lack a safe place to hide are allowed to be slaughtered by the Exorcists, plus one imagines the warlords of Hell encourage violence and warfare amongst the population to thin it out more so the Exorcists don't have to stay longer than they need. Again, we don't know their exact relationship to the overlords of Hell, so we don't know what kind of deal they've cut with them, if any.
(If anyone is wondering I got most of this information from reading blog posts about the series when it first came out, but now its since been collected on the fucking massive wiki.)
I think the most interesting thing that could be done in terms of plot or lore would be the twist that the exorcists are actually just demons LARPing as angels in order to try and get good graces so they can live the easy life up in heaven, but knowing vivz she probably won't go with that idea and will just do something cookie-cutter and droll that looks sort of flashy like she always does.
I somewhat dislike this idea becuase it is in itself just as cookie cutter as the "Heaven is actually just as bad as Hell" idea. I think it would be much more plausible if the Exorcists were fallen angels, not allowed back into Heaven for some minor (or perhaps even various) charge(s) who took up demon killing for their own reasons. You could even give each one differing reasons for why they kill demons: some hate them, some believe redemption is impossible and thus oblivion is a mercy, some don't care and are under the false impression it will win them favor with Heaven, etc.
I don't like the idea that they're just a demon trick because its anticlimactic. The fallen angel angle would allow the story to criticize Heaven without neccesarily portraying Heaven as in itself corrupt as evil too, which I think would be the direction that would make everyone happy while also allowing the most freedom for the characters.
The guy who created Regular show just uses his twitter to promote animation.
I agree I grew up with both science and religion from my father and how they go together.
Seriously I'm disappointed in them. There defend VPop who's being a bitch and not Scott who did noting wrong.
I'm still just not convinced by halos on things that look otherwise exactly like demons and are literally dripping with the blood of the murdered. If these are angels they're the terrifying Old Testament kind, and they don't even appear to be killing particularly evil demons, just the ones too dumb or helpless to run away.
I don't see Alastor ever getting taken out by one of these. He strikes me as the type who might even stay out during a purge just to kill a couple of these things himself for fun.
I'd honestly love to see this series go full Old Testament since that's where all the fun shit is, but I'm not sure the creators are ambitious enough to try it.
They clearly have a quota to fill. I assume there's some kind of deal struck with Hell's hierarchy to keep the leadership from getting wasted, but we just don't know yet.
Possibly, though the latest Helluva Boss episode indicated that if you have the right equipment, killing an immensely ancient and powerful demon like Stolas is just as simple as pulling a Lee Harvey Oswald with a fancy rifle. Probably complete with literally being able to curve the bullet too. We do see at least two powerful demons (Vox and Valentino) hiding away during the extermination, which means they pose some kind of immediate danger. Interfering with their efforts is probably not a good idea even if you can take a few of them down though since it would invite retaliation.
The wiki article also says they have LED displays for faces (wut) which leads me to believe they're robotic in some way. Possibly to get around that "no killing anything" rule in Heaven, if you send a robot to do the dirty work for you it doesn't count? I dunno how much stock I'd put in that idea though.
I have no evidence at all for this theory, but I also suspect there's some connection between Alastor and the Exorcists. I think he either associates with them in some way or is particuarly adept at traveling in their wake and using the power gap they cause to increase his influence. The only thing I have to base this idea on is my story instinct though, I haven't seen anything that directly corroborates it.
Well, Alastor is apparently actually a cannibal. There isn't actually any direct evidence I know about this other than in the comic where, despite being a deer demon, he goes into a butcher shop to buy venison (and also feeds eggs to birds).
I would assume this suggests a background as a cannibal serial killer.
He also seems to have an oddly moralistic attitude towards demons, despite being one of the worst of them himself.
And there's the fact that he looks remarkably similar to them, although they have horns and he has ears.
An interesting implication of the idea that Alastor is actually involved with the Exterminators somehow is that the people in the hotel will actually be protected from them.
I think you'd have to catch him unaware, though. He hired the imps as bodyguards, but when Blitzo completely fucked up and left him unguarded, he just casually petrified one of his would-be assassins. I'm not sure if Striker is immune to that but he's really the only one out there who seems like any kind of actual threat (assuming his wife doesn't just decide to murder him herself).
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Yeah just to clarify I was referring to Sallie May, Millie’s trans sister who showed up in the latest episode. It was only for a total of a minute and was fairly inoffensive but damn did the fanbase pounce all over it.
On the subject of Angel Dust, it is bizarre to remember that both these characters exist in the same universe.
Moxxie also mentioned in the same episode that in the wars in hell Blessed weapons have become a lot more common, who knows perhaps one of the plot points is going to be that the barriers between heaven, hell and earth are degrading.
TheLastJoestar
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Sounds to me like they're about to pull an "America/Colonizer Nation bad because it sell weapons to poor country to make them fight" Allegory. Which is also boring, and done to death. It could be degradation, but I believe it's more like Heaven just secretly shipping the weapons down to Hell - Just like Obama's Fast and Furious scandal.
Yeah, America does that. Yes It's fucked-up. No, the corrupt brass that rule this nation shouldn't do it and should probably be hanged for their high-crimes - But every time writers use this tired plot device, it's always used to justify mass unfettered immigration - which directly harms both populations, and we all know woke writers just can't resist.
Now, normally I wouldn't dare think of this Military-industrial-complex bullshit were it not for the fact that I'm now very aware that Vivxie is a plastic leftist bitch. Just like that cunt Sh0e.
Queen of cats
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I mean she always has been. Can't believe people have entertained her bull for so long
OasisSandshymin
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with how many mentions of angels being warriors in the bible i wouldnt be surprized if heaven had a militaristic part but with vizys political views i doubt she'd have that in her series.
Cryogonal
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What the fuck are you talking about?
If I just canceled any project where the creators acted like retards on social media I'd have nothing to watch at all, at least not by anyone living.
Amen. I'll enjoy Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss so long as they don't go to shit, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to poke fun at someone on the team whenever they do something stupid on Twitter.
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