Hazbin Hotel Thread - New series made by Vivziepop, gained an instant cancel fandom, and this entire site's final destination.

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Queen of cats

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Amen. I'll enjoy Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss so long as they don't go to shit, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to poke fun at someone on the team whenever they do something stupid on Twitter.

I'm still skeptical of the overall quality of the product but if anyone has their views of the shows spoiled by this I wouldn't blame em 😅

I'm skeptical in the sense where I could see this turning out in the best worst case scenario to be pretty decent ( best case scenario is turning out to be pretty great) and in the worst worse case scenario to be a pile of wasted potential.
 
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Shit in a bucket Vivzie, I had a feeling you'd make the mob turn on you and in a big way but not before 5 fucking years have passed! That might be a record.
Off-topic but I think what Monster Lover meant with "(god knows it's bad in general)" wasn't in a "I hate the gays" way but a "I hate the groupthink and divisiveness in this supposed homo shangri-la". and they'd be right. Gay people are humans and like other humans they want to live, fuck love and be left alone. But LGBTXYZs want to control others' lives and make everything about them while dragging other gays down. For fucks sake, they plastered buttugly colors all over their once eye-seering but kinda pretty rainbow flag! Fuck the gay "community", packing fudge and eating tacos doesn't make you better than everyone else. It makes you nasty hoes with God complexes who need the kind of help that doesn't require an internet connection.

And so it begins.
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I wish people would just learn to shut up and stay off social media. I think everyone would be a lot happier.
jlongb0ne is fuckin rad.
But muh validation of my beliefs from total strangers that have a 50% chance of being bots!

I really like her shows, but seeing her making comments like this all the time can really tarnish my enjoyment of it. Thankfully, I avoid reading her Twitter for the most part.
Same. I follow the HH, Spindlehorse and HB twitters since all they do is post updates, shop sales and retweets stuff from crew. You know. The shit people actually care about and not politely pretend to not care about when Vivzie et al spew their "mental health is important" speeches?

Jesus fucking Christ. What the fuck is with these art fucks and throwing people under the bus after people supported them from a hate mob? J. Scott Campbell did this last month. Is there a level of tardness that you reach that accomplishes this?
Simple really: brand safety. To engage in unacceptable behavior like you're a juvenile who's young enough to get away with it is poison to brands. You want to keep making money in this company? Then zip your lips, nod to the sweaty fan nice customer and dance monkey dance.

Campbell's case is a special one though. He got dunked on by Tumblr back when that cover was new and kept his tongue tied. Fast forward to years after the fact and it was gaining traction again (and during "pencils down" at the comic studios) must've made him snap. That only confuses me more why he backpedaled when he was absolutely right in what he did.

Vivzie you mealy-mouthed bitch why would you admit that??? Now they have the right one because you caught a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease and refuse to take the cure: get off twitter

Alright, I'm genuinely curious. When some online celebrity says that they've been "doxxed," does it mean that somebody actually illegally leaked their personal information online, or did somebody just look up their name in the White Pages and deduce what the specific listing would be based on that person's social media postings? In the former case, I'd totally sympathize with the situation, but the latter seems to be the most common scenario of "doxxing" on social media, and I can't help but think that the "doxxed" person in question is partially responsible for the information getting outed.
vivzie being anywhere close to celeb status. :story:

Twitter is so fucked up, literally everyone who has a Twitter account could immediately improve their lives immensely by just deleting it. It's like telling someone "you know shooting heroin into your eyeballs isn't a good idea" and they freak out at you. But yet, people keep using this "utterly fuck up your whole life by just clicking on this site" hellhole.
At this point, twatter is sadly the window to some people's outside worlds. If that window was viewed with binoculars.......worn backwards. However outside worlds aka countries like Nigeria and India are realizing they don't need Twitter's window to view the world for themselves.

Twitter is the one website that literally can bring out the worst in anyone and if someone is too consumed by twitter, they can become a scumbag.
That's anything really. Addiction comes in all forms and does just as much damage as the next thing.

Reminds me of this idiotic Zombie Simpsons episode I watched the other day, where the city was forced to ban the teaching of evolution in school in favor of creationism. The whole thing comes off as a one-sided screed against religion, basically boiling down to "science good, religion bad". Never mind all the times where religion actually pushed science forward, like in the dark ages, where the religious were the ones keeping scientific growth alive.
That's bullshit. When you become a full legal adult you can choose to continue the things your parents/guardians raised you on to raise your kids with or not. Thinking no religion is the answer for everyone is no different from thinking religion is the answer for everyone. Live free or die bitches.


I posted this video on the Clownfish TV thread but wanna post it here as well for people who didn't see it. VPops has defenders and their name is Clownfish TV the white knights of the animation community.
Seriously I'm disappointed in them. There defend VPop who's being a bitch and not Scott who did noting wrong.
lol calm down you apparently didn't see the second video about the debacle:

TL;DW Kneon and Geeky did defend Scott's donations and even go so far as to see other companies who are dawning gay flags right now who they donated to ans SHOCKER! A lot of them donated to republicans (including Trump) as well as democrats (comcast donated more to reds than blues! Comcast.) showing if twatter wants to play their cancel games for a high score than there you go.

ClownfishTV are becoming the Tim pools of media news channels I'll admit but like Tim pool they try to be as grey as they can but more often than not just repeat what they hear from grapevines and not what they know for a fact, thus spreading disinfo and picking a side on accident. They're grifters but not malicious ones.

I mean she always has been. Can't believe people have entertained her bull for so long
She's some broad who draws not that badly and people wanted to see more, twatterperging thankfully optional.

This sentence can be twisted to fit every fucking lolcow on here.

On-topic regarding Heaven and Hell: If Vivzie wants to play this smart she could show the ups and downs of both places for souls. Heaven is bright and peaceful but boring and overbearing. Hell is wild and free but intense and depressing. Both of them have different forms of suffering and bring about desires to escape. Just like Earth. The soul is an immortal force of existence that, depending on your beliefs, needs to change forms and realms every few years or else it'll do something fucking incomprehensibly destructive and weird. Someone or something has to do their part to make sure the balance stays balanced, warts and all. But when the balance gets tipped over even for a second? That could make a pretty bitchin story. But again that's IF she wants to play it smart and not go for the "heaven is for losers, hell is for the cool kids cuz demons and drugs and magic ftw" copout.
 

Private Pyle

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If I just canceled any project where the creators acted like retards on social media I'd have nothing to watch at all, at least not by anyone living.
It’s admittedly fun to poke at Viv’s cowish tendencies as of late but stuff like that is separate from the show. HB and HH will be judged on their own flaws and merits away from what the creator has done on twitter.
It’s what I did back with Gravity Falls; creator is a pompous ass but GF was a solid show, if not without its own in show shortcomings.
and in the worst worse case scenario to be a pile of wasted potential.
Upon reading this I got flashbacks to Steven Universe and now I’m afraid.
 

Queen of cats

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I actually like that concept of Hell and heaven having their ups and downs and one being shown that as we peel away at the character's biases towards their own preferred realms.

Upon reading this I got flashbacks to Steven Universe and now I’m afraid.

I sometimes think that HB and HH will turn out to be quite like SU in winch there's So much intrigue and fun stuff to pick apart and explore but would never follow through ence why I'm dreading getting too attached to the show slol. Never again after SU
 

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It’s admittedly fun to poke at Viv’s cowish tendencies as of late but stuff like that is separate from the show.
There ought to be some best practices guide for these autistic artists who can't quit tarding out on their official show accounts. Have one account for show shit, have another for retard fits. People would at least appreciate not having to cope with dumb hot takes along with the actual show shit they're interested in.

You can't fully separate it out when the show itself is inevitably going to have political-religious content, of course.
 

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I don't think it can achieve the levels of wasted potential SU had, SU was the cartoon equivalent of LOST, All the hyping of the mystery aliens, all the hyping of the diamonds, a season dedicated to some super weapon that took forever to get to and then was solved in less than half an episode by kissing it. FUCKING HOMEWORLD AND THE HISTORY OF THE GEMS AND THE MOMENT WE GET TO SEE IT STEVEN FUCKS OFF BACK TO EARTH AND SPENDS THE REST OF THE SEASON FUCKING AROUND IN THE TOWN, FUCKING SERIOUSLY THERE WAS LESS BORING TOWN BULLSHIT IN THE EARLY SEASONS WHERE YOU START OFF SLOW AND INSTEAD YOU PUT IT RIGHT INFRONT (Instead) OF THE CLIMAX?
 

Queen of cats

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I don't think it can achieve the levels of wasted potential SU had, SU was the cartoon equivalent of LOST, All the hyping of the mystery aliens, all the hyping of the diamonds, a season dedicated to some super weapon that took forever to get to and then was solved in less than half an episode by kissing it. FUCKING HOMEWORLD AND THE HISTORY OF THE GEMS AND THE MOMENT WE GET TO SEE IT STEVEN FUCKS OFF BACK TO EARTH AND SPENDS THE REST OF THE SEASON FUCKING AROUND IN THE TOWN, FUCKING SERIOUSLY THERE WAS LESS BORING TOWN BULLSHIT IN THE EARLY SEASONS WHERE YOU START OFF SLOW AND INSTEAD YOU PUT IT RIGHT INFRONT (Instead) OF THE CLIMAX?
I feel this rant deep into my soul.
It may not reach SU levels but it could still turn out to be a mixed bag or fall flat in its own special little way. One wants to hope not but I really want to manage my expectations lol
 

TheLastJoestar

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I don't think it can achieve the levels of wasted potential SU had, SU was the cartoon equivalent of LOST, All the hyping of the mystery aliens, all the hyping of the diamonds, a season dedicated to some super weapon that took forever to get to and then was solved in less than half an episode by kissing it. FUCKING HOMEWORLD AND THE HISTORY OF THE GEMS AND THE MOMENT WE GET TO SEE IT STEVEN FUCKS OFF BACK TO EARTH AND SPENDS THE REST OF THE SEASON FUCKING AROUND IN THE TOWN, FUCKING SERIOUSLY THERE WAS LESS BORING TOWN BULLSHIT IN THE EARLY SEASONS WHERE YOU START OFF SLOW AND INSTEAD YOU PUT IT RIGHT INFRONT (Instead) OF THE CLIMAX?
Autistic, but true. I know many who were fooled by the show. I never watched it past episode 3 and followed along through friend commentary and reading summaries. Props to E;R for the best review of the series at the time.
On my end, I never thought it was good. Like... ever. Maybe I'm a jaded old fuck but creators with tendencies like the crewniverse always, always ALWAYS use their shitty show as a platform to preach as opposed to telling a satisfying and consistent story. You could tell that, though Steven's retarded, and emotional nature was toned down, they wanted an effeminate end to this series so they all hug it out and shit.

They say 'write what you know,' but for all these mentally ill creators, they sure do suck at portraying mental illness convincingly in their stories. It's because they don't fully realize realize it's their entire pathological disposition that's at fault - these people at their core are awful. Sure these types make jokes "Oh im so fuckin [x] or whatever," But it's always something they glorify. In reality, they always use a self-diagnosed strawman as the fallguy for their bad mental health and behavior. Then when they make stories they design heroes "like them" who are also "Cool but flawed"..... in their mind only; in reality the characters they create are vile, narcissistic trash whom nobody in real life would ever want to associate with (Seen in it's purest form in the New Guy comic). I work with these types. I'm going grey early.

Art from artist or whatever but heed this warning:
People like Vivzie who cannot control themselves on social media are unable to separate themselves from the art they make. If she's in a lead writing position at all, the shows will inevitably devolve into her pure self-indulgence . Currently it's surface level shit - we get it she likes musicals - But it will soon move to her politics and whatever spergy nonsense she rants about like mental health.

This is to Vivzie herself. She'll probably never read it, but I'll try anyway. breathe woman and use your social media for advertisement only. If you feel like ranting, keep a journal, type out whatever bug is up your ass, and get it out of your system. Do not let your show with an established fanbase die off because you couldn't help yourself. Grow up.

Rant over. Now to follow my own advice and return to silently lurking.
 

Queen of cats

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People like Vivzie who cannot control themselves on social media are unable to separate themselves from the art they make. If she's in a lead writing position at all, the shows will inevitably devolve into her pure self-indulgence .
That sort of already happened with her first stab at story telling ( Zoophobia) and I actually was way more attached to that story so seeing it fizzle out made me quite confused/ upset when I was a tick back then. I'm not sure if Vizie has any influence in the writers room but if she does gain more then she has now I can see it turn to shit ( 50% 50% as unlike zoophobia she isn't working alone or is the only one calling the big shots.)
 

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That sort of already happened with her first stab at story telling ( Zoophobia) and I actually was way more attached to that story so seeing it fizzle out made me quite confused/ upset when I was a tick back then. I'm not sure if Vizie has any influence in the writers room but if she does gain more then she has now I can see it turn to shit ( 50% 50% as unlike zoophobia she isn't working alone or is the only one calling the big shots.)
If this happens I'd expect it to be over some internal squabble where any non-wokeshits are purged/say fuck this and leave, leaving no check on this kind of thing. Worse, I could see actual executives at the company demanding more wokeshit and less "problematic language" (their words not mine) fucking it up.
 

Queen of cats

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If this happens I'd expect it to be over some internal squabble where any non-wokeshits are purged/say fuck this and leave, leaving no check on this kind of thing. Worse, I could see actual executives at the company demanding more wokeshit and less "problematic language" (their words not mine) fucking it up.
Yup, I could see it happen and while we may get some funny meltdowns on Twitter as far as the eye can see, I could see this very easily affecting both the show's quality if it happens...
Though we may also very easily get boring shit over woke shit? Zoophobia was so bad post reboot because of its glacier pace and lack of focus on actual world building since Vizie preferred to focus on romance high school drama-
Winch there would be nothing wrong with if she didn't try to peddle her comics being fantasy shit. I even sorta empathize with her desire for a grand epic story, because originally Vivienne wanted 10 volumes ( and those volumes were originally going to even branch into the HH universe; made sense since one of the leads was a demon prince/ the antichrist(?), though that role seems to have now fallen into Charlie unless Damian is more like Octavia as in his royalty but not the actual big shot anymore) because I too come up with all sorts of stories ( one may even not see one in the light of day because I somehow managed to mash silly murderous clowns with hell and lovecraftian esque primordial dark being- very self indulgent let's say lolo) and know what's to bite more then one can chew.
However Zoophobia was in the early 2010ish so the shows very well succumb into woke shit even if that's not vizie's track record. This being of course being worse case scenario lol
 
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Queen of cats

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Yup, I could see it happen and while we may get some funny meltdowns on Twitter as far as the eye can see, I could see this very easily affecting both the show's quality if it happens...
Though we may also very easily get boring shit over woke shit? Zoophobia was so bad post reboot because of its glacier pace and lack of focus on actual world building since Vizie preferred to focus on romance high school drama-
Winch there would be nothing wrong with if she didn't try to peddle her comics being fantasy shit. I even sorta empathize with her desire for a grand epic story, because originally Vivienne wanted 10 volumes ( and those volumes were originally going to even branch into the HH universe; made sense since one of the leads was a demon prince / anti Christ (?) , though that role seems to have now fallen into Charlie as far as importance is concerned unless Damian is more like Octavia as in his royalty but not the actual big shot anymore) because I too come up with all sorts of stories ( one may even not see one in the light of day because I somehow managed to mash silly murderous clowns with hell and lovecraftian esque primordial dark being- very self indulgent let's say lolo) and know what's to bite more then one can chew.
However Zoophobia was in the early 2010ish so the shows very well succumb into woke shit even if that's not vizie's track record. This being of course being worse case scenario lol
 

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I even sorta empathize with her desire for a grand epic story
We already have hints of this. Stolas almost seems to expect some epic catastrophe, which is maybe why he seems pretty apathetic to Stella's threats to kill him and actual hiring of an assassin to kill him. He already knows he's doomed.

I like the impression that there's tons of deep lore to be explored and a lot of the world-building is already done, more or less confirmed by numerous streams. Vivz has obviously put a lot of time and love into this, and I'd hate to see it get fucked up (like Zoophobia).
 

Queen of cats

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We already have hints of this. Stolas almost seems to expect some epic catastrophe, which is maybe why he seems pretty apathetic to Stella's threats to kill him and actual hiring of an assassin to kill him. He already knows he's doomed.

I like the impression that there's tons of deep lore to be explored and a lot of the world-building is already done, more or less confirmed by numerous streams. Vivz has obviously put a lot of time and love into this, and I'd hate to see it get fucked up (like Zoophobia).
That's true, I guess we all got to wait and see lol
 

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Viv's back. Doesn't look like she'll make any further comments on the incident, hence the positive like/comment ratio. I suppose one week is long enough to wait for the Twitter hordes to disperse.
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Crisis averted by the looks of it. What do you think her next incident will be?
 

GaddafyTheLooneyDuck

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I am really late to this, since I have been on vacation and haven't paid attention to what's beein going on, but what in the bloody fuck is she talking about? When did Scott ever say anything against science!? EDIT: And equality!?

Also, regarding Scott being pro-life. He considers himself pro-life, but he explained that in fact he is not one of those highly conservative pro-lifers who think that you should give birth whatever the situation is, he actually believes that abortion in cases like rape and some other situations is justifiable.

Another also, if there is anyone to criticize Scott, it's definintely not Vivienne, given the bullshite she does seriously outweights Scott's donations. And Scott seems like a nice and chill person, while Vivienne is just a fucking living poison of a person.

I really like her shows, but seeing her making comments like this all the time can really tarnish my enjoyment of it. Thankfully, I avoid reading her Twitter for the most part.
The saying "separate creator from the creation" didn't come into existence for no reason. Though I would say, depending on what shite said creator is carrying and what creation is it, it's better to show them no support, even if it's indirect, especially when your dosh is in question.

I think Viv is talented and for the same reasons Scott gets a pass on his personal viewpoints, I really can care less. There is nothing morally reprehensible about either's actions, when weighed against their creative output.
Maybe my arse is getting it wrong, but I highly disagree. However good someone's creations or skills at something are, you can't just ignore their bullshite, especially if that bullshite just crosses the line. Such mentality is also one of the major reasons why various cocksuckers grow enormous egos and act invincible, and it also helps extremely retarded and awful fandoms grow big, which said cocksuckers then use as personal armies to hide behind.
 
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I am really late to this, since I have been on vacation and haven't paid attention to what's beein going on, but what in the bloody fuck is she talking about? When did Scott ever say anything against science!?

Also, regarding Scott being pro-life. He considers himself pro-life, but he explained that in fact he is not one of those highly conservative pro-lifers who think that you should give birth whatever the situation is, he actually believes that abortion in cases like rape and some other situations is justifiable.

Another also, if there is anyone to criticize Scott, it's definintely not Vivienne, given the bullshite she does seriously outweights Scott's donations. And Scott seems like a nice and chill person, while Vivienne is just a fucking living poison of a person.


The saying "separate creator from the creation" didn't come in existence for no reason. Though I would say, depending on what shite said creator is carrying and what creation is it, it's better to show them no support, even if it's indirect, especially when your dosh is in question.


Maybe my arse is getting it wrong, but I highly disagree. However good someone's creations or skills at something are, you can't just ignore their bullshite, especially if that bullshite just crosses the line. Such mentality is also one of the major reasons why various cocksuckers grow enormous egos and act invincible, and it also helps extremely retarded and awful fandoms grow big, which said cocksuckers then use as personal armies to hide behind.
When people claim that others are against 'science', they usually mean those who disagree on:
  • global warming being man-made and catastrophic
  • the ory of evolution
  • th efficacy and safety of vaccines (not jus the ones with Wu Flu)
  • homosexuality and gender identity being unchangeable, innate, and inocucous
  • gender itself being fluid
I would also add 'life beginning at birth', bu the arguments against pro-lifers are les scientific and mor emotional, focusing on 'YOU WANT WOMEN TO DIE AND UNVIABLE BIRTHS TO SUFFER TO DEATH!!!!!!!'
 
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Not defending Faust, but I think she reacted like that, because it seemed like the poster was shitting on the Asians, due to their broken English. Still a fucking lul, cause this butthurt is coming from the same cunt that sided with another American-Korean SJW cunt against supporting rooftop Koreans, to keep licking BLM's brown arse.

Speaking, ship what you want, but no one is obliged to like the ship you're into. That and Charlastor is one of the most bland, annoying and overrated ships I have ever seen.

Seems like the OP pussied out too quickly, cause there seems to be very little replies. Must have got scared of the cocksucker brigade that jumped in.

Viv's back. Doesn't look like she'll make any further comments on the incident, hence the positive like/comment ratio. I suppose one week is long enough to wait for the Twitter hordes to disperse.
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Crisis averted by the looks of it. What do you think her next incident will be?
She wouldn't have got any reprecussions anyway. Vivienne got a fuckton of moronic arselickers who will defend her to the grave just like how many krauts kept devoted to their beloved fuhrer to the end, plus during that incident with Scott she actually received lots of support from Shitter mob, which is evident by that tweet of hers that has nearly 2 million likes and counting.
 

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Speaking, ship what you want, but no one is obliged to like the ship you're into. That and Charlastor is one of the most bland, annoying and overrated ships I have ever seen.
Shipping is automatically cancer, but that's a really insipid, pointless one and it ignores that Alastor is canonically asexual, although I'm skeptical about a cannibal serial killer actually being asexual, they're actually murdersexual.
 

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Shipping is cancerous, sure, but calling any ships that involve Alastor disrespectful because he’s canonically aroace is just dumb and Charlastor is by no means the only one; many of the shippers themselves are ace and/or aro and acknowledge that he is; never mind the fact that aroaces can still be in relationships. Angel Dust getting shipped with Vaggie isn’t “ignoring” him being gay either, for that matter, people just like what they like (plus the two were originally dating). The whole thing is indeed autistic though. They’re not real so who gives a shit, no one’s getting hurt.

If Faust had kept her mouth shut, the shitstorm over shipping Alastor in particular most likely wouldn’t have gotten as huge as it did. Viv has made it known that she didn’t want to step on any toes in regards to shipping and would’ve preferred to keep Alastor’s sexuality a secret so shippers could have fun. Faust also apparently spilled the beans about a bunch of other (albeit mostly harmless) details during her streams. I can’t say I’m disappointed that she isn’t part of the team anymore.
 
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