Hearthstone - Magic the Gathering for idiot baby NORMIES

Yaoi Zowie

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In light of the newest expansion, Journey to Un’Goro, being released in the US in a scant few hours (stay free EU), I thought I’d make a exceptional effortpost. There was like one HS thread before by a mod that I could see and it had zero replies so I figure I’m safe to make a new thread.


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Journey to Un’Goro

This most recent expansion is themed around an expedition to Un’Goro Crater, a primordial jungle full of dinosaurs and other prehistoric wildlife. Here’s a list of the new cards

Un’Goro adds a new card type to the game: Quest cards

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Quests are legendary class spell cards which are guaranteed to start in your opening hand if one is in your deck. Completing the task after playing the quest rewards you with a unique card. All of the reward cards are varying levels of insane, and it will be interesting to see which ones make it into competitive decks!


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So what is Hearthstone?

It’s Magic the Gathering but on your very own handheld smart device and/or personal computer! That’s right, no more need to protect your $400 foil Tarmogoyf from sweaty nerd buttcrack fart miasma

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Now you can play your digital cards in front of a homeless man’s buttcrack at the bus stop, in the vicinity of several men’s pooping buttcracks in public restrooms, or just keep your own sweaty buttcrack buried in your own office chair like you always do you fucking neet

There are three main play modes in the game: Constructed, Arena, and Tavern Brawl.


Constructed

Constructed is the “main” mode of play where you build decks from your collection and compete with other players online, either on the ranked ladder or in a casual unranked mode. In spring of 2016 what was formerly a single constructed ranked format was split into 2 play formats: Standard, and Wild. Each mode has its own separate ranked ladder, and your rank in one does not affect the other.


In Standard, you can only construct your deck from cards belonging to either the “classic” set the game launched with, or any expansion released within the last 2 years. This is the most popular mode of play in the game. The format rotates out old expansions every spring release, meaning expansions released in the spring are actually standard legal for longer than summer releases, and quite a bit longer than fall releases.


In Wild, you can make a deck using any card you own. It’s a fun mode that’s reasonably popular, but can be inaccessible to players that don’t have a big collection yet.


Arena

Arena is a very different beast from Constructed, and has its own circle of players and pros that play Arena exclusively. It requires an entry fee of 150 gold or $1.99 Ameribucks to play each time. When you buy in, you are entered into a tournament against other players using a deck of 30 cards you draft upfront. The game will present you with a series of choices of 3 random cards, and the ones you pick make up your deck. 12 wins are max, 3 losses and you’re out. It’s not a great value if you lose a lot, but if you’re good you can get some serious rewards.


Tavern Brawl

Tavern Brawls are a special format with a new set of rules every week, starting each Wednesday. There are constructed formats where all cards keep the same text but become a 1/1 for 1 mana, there are co-op brawls where you and another player work together to beat an AI boss, there are preconstructed brawls where both players get to be overpowered boss classes from the single player content. Sometimes old brawls get rehashed, but more often than not you’ll see something new each week. Your first win for each new brawl will give you a free pack, so they’re always worth a try.


Adventures

Adventure expansions were a form of single player content that gave you cards for completing missions. Blizzard announced that they are no longer releasing adventure expansions, however. There is currently no way to purchase or otherwise obtain the single player content from adventures that have already rotated out of the standard format. Hopefully this will be remedied in the future, since a lot of the content was interesting and enjoyable. Cards from these adventures are still craftable as any card for the purposes of Wild format play.


Oh boy, sign me up! How do I get started?

Here are some helpful links:

Icy Veins – They have some simple but functional decks that can be constructed from a class’ ‘basic’ card set. You may need to play the class a bit to level up and receive all the cards you need from their base set.

Tempo Storm – They have some gay articles and stuff I guess but nobody cares about any of that because you know your ass is just here for the world famous Hearthstone Meta Snapshot. CEO of Tempo Storm and legendary MTG cheater Reynad has assembled a crack team of experts to tell you what everyone is going to be playing for the next month.

Vicious Syndicate Data Reaper Report – They do a meta snapshot too, but instead of hiring a panel of expert players like Tempo Storm, Data Reaper aggregates … Both meta reports have their own strengths and weaknesses, because while TS’s experts judge subjectively and can get things wrong from time to time, DR’s statistics include dummies like you who don’t know what the fuck you’re doing.

Hearthstone Top Decks – A nice handy aggregator of decklists the pros play

r/CompetitiveHS – While the vanilla Hearthstone subreddit is aids, CompetitiveHS is generally full of useful and thoughtful posts.

Lightforge – Card tier rankings for arena.

HearthArena – Arena deck building tool. Enter your available card choices, and it will tell you what to pick and why. Can be helpful when you are still learning the ropes so you go 0-3 for your bad play instead of for your abominable deckbuilding skills.

And some tools:

Hearthstone Deck Tracker – In a kind of questionable move Blizzard decided that using deck tracking software is a-OK with them, as long as it’s not used in official tournaments. HDT will tell you what cards you have remaining in your deck and the % chance of drawing them, what cards your opponent has played this game, and on what turn each of the cards in his hand got there. Even if you think using it is kind of cheesey, your opponent doesn’t.

Track-O-Bot – Allows you to keep track of your ranked wins & losses and analyze your performance per-deck in different matchups. A good tool if you're really serious about analyzing your play.


Newbie tips: Building your collection
  • Consider playing arena whenever you get the gold to build your collection early on unless you loathe the format. If you learn to get even moderately good it’s much better for earning gold and cards than Constructed, and because everyone’s on a level playing field it feels less pay to win when you’re new. In order to go “infinite” you need to average 7 wins, but with the help of quests you should be able to average just 4 or 5 and still do an arena or so every day.
  • If you want to get good at the game fast, go to Tempo Storm, find the best and cheapest aggro deck, and build it asap. Everyone north of the absolute bottom ranks of the ladder is netdecking, and aggro decks in this game are often inexpensive and very good. Reddit thinks aggro decks are for no-skill players that want cheap wins, but r/hearthstone is full of the type of niggas who would complain that throwing in Street Fighter is cheap.
  • Gold cards are shiny! The animations are so cool! I’m gonna keep them all and someday I’ll have a full gold collection, Jonny says, a small amount of spittle flying out of his open gullet. Well Johnny, do you have about 10,000 dollars? No? Welcome to the real world motherfucker! If you don't need it, and you're building your collection, dust your golds.


    :powerlevel: I’ve been playing since beta and have only missed about 4 months of the 36 from the game’s release until now, have dumped a couple hundred dollars into the game over the years, and I still only have a mostly complete non-golden collection. And that’s with dusting every single gold card I got that I already had 2x of. (But not my golden Boogey Monster, and he will continue to flop around in every single Tavern Brawl deck I can put him in.) If you’re new and struggling to make a meta-viable deck, dust your non-essential gold cards.
  • Only dust your extra cards when you have a card that you want to craft and use, and enough dust to craft it immediately. Cards occasionally get nerfed or changed, and when they do they’re disenchantable for their full dust value rather than their normal reduced disenchant value. Plus, the little animation is just so much more satisfying when you nuke a bunch at once!
  • If you didn’t notice, there’s a little ‘X’ in the corner each of your quest boxes. You can re-roll a single quest and replace it with a new one each day, resetting at midnight wherever your server is. The average dust value of a quest is about 52.5 gold. That means you should be rerolling your lowest value quest as long as it’s less than the average value for maximum gold gain. If you want to be really autistic about it you can also try to intentionally avoid completing 50g and 40g quests unless your quest log is full of them to maximize your chances of being able to re-roll them into something good.
 

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Pickle Inspector

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Quest cards seem pretty OP right now although it's pretty satisfying to beat The Carverns Below rogue decks.
 

Woodcutting bot

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Man some of these cards look insane compared to when I last played (late 2014-ish)

Have they added any non paying way for F2P players to catch up, or is it still zoo or bust?
 

Yaoi Zowie

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Some of the quests are pretty gross, yeah. I don't think many people expected The Caverns Below to be that good.

As someone who played loads of control warrior I have mixed feelings on the warrior quest. On one hand it's really strong, but on the other hand it kind of turns control warrior into yet another 'curve out' minion deck, and I'm tired of playing those.


Man some of these cards look insane compared to when I last played (late 2014-ish)

Have they added any non paying way for F2P players to catch up, or is it still zoo or bust?

A couple. Tavern Brawls were the first, they give you a way to earn a free pack every week. Then they introduced monthly ranked rewards, where you get free dust and golden cards depending on where you place at the end of the month. And splitting the ladder into Standard and Wild allows newer players to not have to grind for old legendaries that everyone else has.

Zoo's good again btw, though Pirate Warrior has probably replaces it as the premier super cheap aggro deck. It's the current Face Hunter basically.
 
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I played this for like twenty minutes when it started to get that WoW mount for it, even if it was just a crappy wing horse. Seemed okay but if I get time to waste on my phone I can use that for Auction House on WoW so I didn't have a reason to stick with it.
 

Lazuli

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It was my first CCG, and after a while I realized how much of a scam it was. Due to the constant evolving strategy of what constitutes a competitive deck, due to trends and Blizzard buffing/nerfing cards on the fly and bringing out new expansions, as well as banning certain cards in certain modes, you are always chasing the "keeping up with the joneses". The game is also heavily RNG dependant, moreso than others I've read about, so even a top player making statistically correct plays can get steamrolled by a LOLrandom deck once in a while.

And since you can't trade the cards, or sell them or anything other than destroy them for crafting materials, the only way to get your money investment back would be to break ToS and sell your entire Blizzard account with all games attached. So yeah that was the first and last CCG I ever played.
 

Chinaman

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Only found this thread to advise if you like hearthstone, you live under a rock with no concept of a good card game but I am here to enlighten your monkey American ass. Download Shadowverse. It's like

"What if Hearthstone had good artwork?"
"What if Hearthstone actually contributed more to game mechanics than just Magic: The Gathering neutered?"
"What if Hearthstone wasn't made by a shady Jew company like Blizzard?"
"What if Hearthstone was actually f2p?"
"What if Hearthstone had a story mode akin to Final Fantasy?"
 

That Chris Guy

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I gave it a year of my time, during which I ground out the gold for every wing in Naxx, BRM, LoE and Karazhan. Once Un'Goro loomed on the horizon, I realised it was all a complete waste of time since tbe first three of those would have all their cards shuffled out and replaced with new decks to start at the very bottom again and painfully grind out. It's bad enough the game is RNG shit no matter what, but that ruined the collector in me.

TL:biggrin:R - It's not worth your time.
 

Dark Emporer Dood

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Played it on and off briefly up to the Naxx expansion, after that the meta got more and more gross as time went on. Currently its on a friends only basis, since me taking a break pretty much makes my old decks unwinnable.

I will confess that I spent $5 on it during a special deal thing, I wish I had that $5 back at this point.
It was my first CCG, and after a while I realized how much of a scam it was.
Yup, not to mention Hearthstone doesn't give us a dumb cartoon to mock, instead we get Twitch streamers and people getting excited about strangers opening up virtual card packs.
 

MysteriousStranger

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Only CCG I've ever played (not counting Gwent). I joined during the beta and played for about a year. After I drew a golden class-specific Legendary, I built a highly idiosyncratic deck around him that I really loved playing. Then I skipped a couple of expansions and lost track of where my favorite deck would fit in the current game and quit.

Had fun, didn't spend much money, not interested in going back.
 

Stab You in the Back

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New expansion and standard rotation were today. There are now only four sets legal.

Baku and Genn were Hall of Fame'd a year early, so no more odd and even decks. Death Knights are gone. Quests are gone. Whizbang decks are fully updated for the new standard. There's also an auto assembler which automatically assembles the best deck with the cards in your library. Sadly, after being free for two years, you now have to purchase the solo campaign for the new set.

Arena is no longer based on standard, but now includes cards from both standard and wild sets.

Now is a great time to get back in the game.
 

Wendy_Carter

Shadows are black as ink, or night, or nightmares.
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I saw Hecklebot and thought "Holy shit, this would be amazing in my wild mill rogue deck!", but then I realized that I stopped caring a year ago because standard is garbage, ranks 25-24 for both standard and wild are filled with netdecks, and I currently have the entire collection in Elder Scrolls: Legends.

Also, it's a personal thing, but all the inconsistencies peeve me the hell off. Blizzard refuses to change text on cards for any reason. In a digital medium, might I remind you. The Curator is a mech, while Arcane Golem and Arcane Giant aren't; Witch's Brew and Unstable Evolution don't have Echo; Charged Devilsaur has some long stupid text instead of having a single word. If even the developers can't keep their shit consistent, how are the players supposed to know how the game is supposed to work?
 

Monsieur Guillotine

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I tried Hearthstone and it was okay. I'm sure if I put more effort into learning the rules and shit I might enjoy it more, but above all else I hate the idea of losing a game because I didn't spend enough money.
 

Stab You in the Back

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ranks 25-24 for both standard and wild are filled with netdecks
You can't lose rank below 20, so if there are netdecks at rank 25 they won't be there for long.

I tried Hearthstone and it was okay. I'm sure if I put more effort into learning the rules and shit I might enjoy it more, but above all else I hate the idea of losing a game because I didn't spend enough money.
My recommendation is to craft Whizbang the Wonderful. Whizbang is a legendary minion who gives you a random competitive deck (out of a pool of 18 ) to play with. You won't hit legendary rank with Whizbang, but he'll give you access to some pretty pricey decks for the cost of a single legendary.
 

Wendy_Carter

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You can't lose rank below 20, so if there are netdecks at rank 25 they won't be there for long.
I've played Hearthstone since before BRM was released, I know how ranks work. I played it AT THE END OF THE MONTH. I won against a hunter who didn't high-roll his first 3 turns and 2 shamans who did, with very obvious netdecks. I gave up playing after. I watch Kripparrian and still follow the meta, I just don't care enough to play. I'd rather tank Withered Hand Cultists and tolerate discard warrior because I can heal myself for enormous amounts of health or disrupt their gameplan in a variety of ways.

And Whizbang is not a guarantee that you start winning anything. Out of 18 decks, you might have around 7-9 actually good deck recipes. So it's basically a 50-50 chance of actually getting a good deck. Like, who the fuck would've lost against freeze shaman? The archetype was dead on arrival. You might reach rank 15 at most, and that is not an gigantic accomplishment. You can get higher and faster with some budget aggro deck, but that's boring and involves basically no planning whatsoever.

Also, Blizzard is using wild as a garbage dump for cards from previous sets and forget about them. What is even the point of having a format if you aren't willing to look after it? At least go the MTG way and let people do bans, or just ban some cards yourself and rotate them every few months or so.
 

RadicalCentrist

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Used to play years ago but stopped and haven't looked back since.

Most fun I had was botting. Collecting performance data and redoing scripting was more satisfying than the game itself.
 

Say no 2 hugs

Wut
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With this new set and the rotation I'm actually having fun playing again. Don't know how long that will last.... but for now it's been pretty fun.
 
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